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    Marko Papic on What Markets Got Wrong About Russia's Invasion of Ukraine

    enSeptember 29, 2022

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    • Navigating geopolitical complexity in investingStay informed and seek expert guidance to interpret complex global events and their potential impact on investing, as demonstrated by the Russia-Ukraine situation.

      Understanding complex global events and their potential impact on investing requires a comprehensive perspective, combining local insights and global expertise. The current geopolitical situation in Russia and Ukraine serves as an example of the challenges investors face in interpreting events and their market implications. Russia's call-up of reservists could be perceived as a sign of weakness or a major escalation, highlighting the uncertainty and potential risks. As investors navigate this complexity, it's crucial to stay informed and seek the guidance of experts with deep knowledge and insights. For more information, visit principalam.com or listen to the Visibility Gap podcast presented by Cigna Health Care. Remember, investing involves risk, including possible loss of principal.

    • Possible long-term stalemate in Russia-Ukraine conflictHistorical conflicts show lines of control can define political entities, war may continue but market may not care, Russia's mobilization could widen conflict but outcome uncertain

      The ongoing conflict between Russia and Ukraine may be approaching a stasis or equilibrium, where a line of control is established. This is based on historical precedent from conflicts like the Korean War and the Cyprus conflict, where lines of control have defined political entities despite the absence of formal peace treaties. While the war may continue, the market may have already stopped caring about it due to other economic developments. Russia's recent mobilization of troops could be an attempt to prove the war was worth it to the Russian population and acquire more territory before negotiations begin. However, it's unclear if this will effectively widen the conflict in Ukraine. Overall, the conflict may end up in a long-term stalemate, with both sides establishing a well-defended front line.

    • Impact of Russia-Ukraine conflict on commodity markets may be overstatedThe EU oil embargo against Russia had limited impact on supply, China and India stepped in to buy Russian crude, and the conflict might just be a way for Russia to export domestic political angst abroad. Macroeconomic factors like the Fed's actions and economic slowdowns in the US and China are more significant drivers for commodity markets.

      The Russia-Ukraine conflict may not have the significant impact on commodity markets that some predicted. The EU oil embargo against Russia was largely symbolic and has not resulted in a loss of supply. Additionally, China and India have stepped in to buy Russian crude, making the embargo a feature rather than a bug of the sanctions. Furthermore, the notion that Ukraine is existential to Russia is overstated, and the conflict may simply be a way for Russia to export domestic political angst abroad. Ultimately, the macroeconomic factors, such as the Fed's actions and the slowdown in the US and Chinese economies, are more significant drivers for commodity markets than the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

    • Europe's Unsustainable Natural Gas PricesEurope's high natural gas prices due to energy crisis and Russian gas cuts won't last, US LNG involvement may raise global prices, and deindustrialization fears could be premature

      The current high prices of natural gas in Europe, driven by the energy crisis and the reduction of Russian gas supplies, are unsustainable in the long term. Once the Ukraine war reaches a stasis, there will be an incentive for both Russia and Europe to resume natural gas transactions. Additionally, the United States is expected to increase its involvement in the LNG trade, leading to a global price of natural gas that will raise costs for American industry rather than lower them. The current trend of deindustrialization in Europe being priced in by investors may be misguided.

    • European industry presents a compelling investment opportunity despite geopolitical risks and high electricity pricesEurope's industry remains competitive despite high electricity prices and geopolitical risks, making it an attractive investment opportunity. Market interpretations of geopolitical risks can change rapidly, and investors must adapt to the new era of geopolitical risk.

      Despite the current crisis in Europe with natural gas prices and geopolitical risks, investors should not bet against European industry as a whole. Europe has had higher electricity prices for industrial users for decades, yet Germany has not lost export share, and the US has not gained significant export share. The US, with its price advantage on electricity and natural gas due to the shale revolution, has not gained competitiveness. European industry, especially if valued based on current market sentiment, presents a compelling investment opportunity. Another important point is the distinction between objective geopolitical risk and the market's interpretation of it. The ongoing conflict in Ukraine has led to an increase in objective geopolitical risk, but the market's interpretation of it, or the geopolitical risk premium, has been collapsing as investors realize the material constraints to Russia's effectiveness in the war. Investors need to understand that in this multipolar world, they must become comfortable with the fact that wars may continue, but the market will desensitize and not care unless new information significantly raises objective geopolitical risk. Lastly, this conflict is different due to the involvement of various commodities and inputs, but it's crucial not to overextrapolate the current crisis into the future. The world is entering a new era of geopolitical risk, and investors must adapt to this reality.

    • Russia's Need to Finance War and AlliesRussia continues exporting oil and gas despite sanctions due to financing war, avoiding alienating allies, and internal politics.

      Despite the high costs and potential consequences of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, President Putin has not been deterred from continuing to export oil and gas, even in the face of international sanctions. The reasons for this include Russia's need to finance an expensive war, the desire to avoid alienating key allies like China and India, and internal political considerations. While material constraints can provide a useful starting point for forecasting geopolitical events, they do not guarantee accuracy, and policymakers may sometimes choose to disregard them in favor of their own preferences. However, by focusing on material constraints, investors can make more informed decisions and increase their chances of success.

    • Understanding political constraints for informed investment decisionsAnalyzing political constraints can help investors make informed decisions, even if the initial political decision is incorrect. Focus on the underlying constraints to predict market opportunities and potentially double down on views.

      Understanding political constraints can help inform investment decisions, even if the initial political decision is incorrect. The speaker used the example of the conflict in Ukraine and how the constraints faced by Russian President Putin have played out in reality. Despite getting the initial decision wrong, the framework for understanding constraints proved useful in predicting how the situation would unfold. This framework can be applied to any political or geopolitical situation and can help investors make informed decisions, regardless of whether the initial political decision is correct or not. The key is to focus on the underlying constraints and how they will shape the outcome, rather than trying to predict the outcome itself. By doing so, investors can position themselves to take advantage of market opportunities and potentially double down on their views.

    • Russia and Ukraine: Different Objectives in the ConflictRussia focuses on holding onto territories in Donetsk, while Ukraine pushes for the recovery of all territories including Crimea. The stalemate in Donetsk remains a significant challenge for Russia.

      The conflict between Russia and Ukraine continues to evolve, with each side having different objectives. Russia, after suffering military setbacks earlier in the year, has adjusted its goals and is now focusing on holding onto territories in the Donetsk oblast. Meanwhile, Ukraine continues to push for the recovery of all its territories, including Crimea, but realistically, the recovery of all territories may not be achievable due to political and military constraints. The stalemate in Donetsk remains a significant challenge for Russia, as they have been unable to fully conquer the oblast despite its strategic importance and heavy population of ethnic Russians. Ultimately, the conflict highlights the complex geopolitical dynamics at play and the importance of understanding each side's motivations and limitations.

    • Limited Military Support to UkraineThe West's insufficient military aid to Ukraine has restricted its defensive capabilities against Russian aggression and prevented it from regaining lost lands.

      The West's insufficient military support to Ukraine has limited its ability to effectively defend its territory against Russian aggression and reconquer lost lands. The lack of key military resources like tanks and ground assault aircraft has put Ukraine in a defensive position, with European concerns over sovereignty and independence playing a role in limiting support. Meanwhile, China's COVID zero policies can be understood as a logical response to a political decision not to import Western vaccines, given China's elderly population, limited hospital beds, and difficulty getting the elderly to take necessary booster shots. These material constraints have made a zero COVID policy a viable approach for China despite its economic costs.

    • China's COVID-19 restrictions may not ease as expectedDespite investor expectations, China's COVID-19 restrictions might not ease due to public health concerns and recent events like the Chengdu shutdown. Russian President Putin's longevity in power is uncertain due to historical patterns and public sentiment about the ongoing war.

      Despite the hopes of onshore managers in China for a shift towards easing COVID-19 restrictions after the October Congress, it may not be as simple as many investors think due to public health concerns and recent events like the shutdown of Chengdu. In the world of geopolitics, Russian President Putin's longevity in power is a topic of discussion. Some believe he may not make it past the next 12 months based on historical precedent. Russia has a history of failing when pursuing offensive wars due to the challenges of extending long supply lines and supporting offensive operations logistically. This pattern has often led to domestic political unrest when Russian leaders have failed in their aggressive pursuits. Despite the polling numbers showing strong support for Putin, the Russian people believe the ongoing war will not last long. These historical patterns and current sentiments suggest that Putin's position could be precarious.

    • Russia-Ukraine conflict may enter a period of stasisHistorical examples indicate ongoing Russia-Ukraine conflict with occasional skirmishes and permanently contested territory, but markets have shown resilience

      The ongoing conflict between Russia and Ukraine may not come to a definitive end but instead enter a period of stasis. Domestic politics in Russia are a critical constraint to the length of the war, with patriotism currently high but likely to dissipate as Russians begin to question the goals and benefits of the conflict. Historical examples such as the Korean War and Russia's annexation of Crimea suggest that this conflict may continue indefinitely with occasional skirmishes and permanently contested territory. Despite the ongoing conflict, markets have shown the ability to quickly forget the past and continue investing in Russian sovereign debt.

    • Understanding Geopolitical Events through a Materialist LensThe materialist approach to understanding geopolitical events focuses on concrete factors like military capabilities and resource availability, providing valuable insights into practical implications and market impact.

      Despite historical tensions and acts of aggression, such as Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the materialist approach to understanding geopolitical events can provide valuable insights. This approach focuses on concrete and tangible factors, such as a country's military capabilities and resource availability, rather than abstract psychological or historical explanations. In the case of Russia, the question of whether it could launch a robust defensive war with stretched supply lines is a crucial consideration. While there may be psychological or historical motivations driving Putin's actions, the materialist approach can help us better understand the practical implications of geopolitical events and their potential impact on financial markets. The discussion also touched on the importance of following experts like Marco Paepic on Twitter for insightful analysis on global events. Additionally, the co-hosts Tracy Alloway and Joe Weisenthal announced a new podcast, Money Stuff, where Matt Levine and Katie Greifelt will discuss finance and Wall Street news each week.

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