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    The War in Ukraine, Explained — Part 3: The nuclear threat

    enApril 14, 2022

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    • Russia's Nuclear Threat in UkraineRussia might use nuclear weapons if facing a conventional defeat, but the consequences would be catastrophic and efforts should be made to prevent it. Wise offers a convenient way to manage and send money internationally at real-time exchange rates.

      While the likelihood of Russia using nuclear weapons in its conflict with Ukraine is very low, it's not impossible. Experts believe that Russia would only consider using nuclear weapons if they were facing a conventional defeat that threatened the existence of the Russian state. However, even if Russia were to use a nuclear weapon, it's unclear how it would benefit them or change the outcome of the conflict. It's important to remember that the use of nuclear weapons would have catastrophic consequences, and efforts should be made to prevent such an event from occurring. In other news, Wise is a financial service that allows users to manage and send money in different currencies at the real-time mid market exchange rate, with no hidden fees. It's a convenient solution for sending money internationally and eliminating the need for airport currency exchange desks. With over 16 million customers worldwide, Wise is a popular choice for those looking to send and spend money globally.

    • The moral and practical reasons against using nuclear weapons in the Russia-Ukraine conflictUsing nuclear weapons in the Russia-Ukraine conflict is morally and practically unjustifiable due to the immense suffering, destruction, and potential for catastrophic consequences. Conventional weapons can be used to achieve specific targets without the devastating effects of nuclear weapons.

      The use of nuclear weapons in the current conflict between Russia and Ukraine is highly unlikely due to the devastating consequences it would bring, despite the military advantage it could provide. The speaker emphasized that the idea of using such a massive weapon on potentially thousands of people, causing immense suffering and irradiating a large portion of Ukrainian territory, is morally chilling and not a viable option for the Ukrainians. Furthermore, the conversation about nuclear weapons is often bloodless and detached, making it difficult to have a clear, calm, and effective discussion about the risks involved. The speaker also noted that the destructive power of tactical nuclear weapons is not small, and the use of such weapons would result in widespread damage and civilian casualties. The speaker's example of taking out an airfield illustrates that conventional weapons can be used to destroy specific targets without the catastrophic consequences of nuclear weapons. The speaker also recommended considering the concept of a "city burning machine" to understand the value and destructive power of nuclear weapons. Overall, the speaker emphasized the importance of acknowledging the horror and devastation caused by nuclear weapons in strategic discourse to make informed decisions and prevent potential escalation.

    • Nuclear Weapons in Conflict: The Complexities and RisksThe potential for nuclear war in the Ukraine conflict should be avoided due to catastrophic consequences and uncertainty surrounding Russian military's nuclear doctrine.

      The use of nuclear weapons in a conflict, such as the one currently unfolding in Ukraine between Russia and the West, is a complex issue with potential for catastrophic consequences. While it may not deliver a clear victory on the battlefield for Vladimir Putin, the risk of escalation exists due to historical precedents, such as the Korean War, where commanders advocated for nuclear weapons use to turn the tide. The limitations of modern nuclear weapons, despite their supposed tactical design, remain the same as in the past, with significant explosive power. The Russian military's thinking about nuclear weapons and their state of doctrine is uncertain, and it's unclear if there's a serious chance of someone pushing for their use against Ukraine. Ultimately, the potential for nuclear war should be avoided at all costs.

    • Russian Nuclear Decision-Making: Putin's Role and the Threat of EscalationThe Russian government's stance on nuclear weapons is clear, but the potential for hidden strategies and decision-making processes in Moscow heightens the risk of nuclear escalation between the US and Russia. Ultimately, Putin holds the power to authorize nuclear use, with some potential for delegation.

      While the Russian position on nuclear weapons is clear, there is ongoing debate in Washington about potential hidden strategies and the decision-making process within the Russian government. The risk of nuclear escalation between the US and Russia increases as the likelihood of direct conflict between the two sides grows. The Russian system is designed with conflict with the US in mind, and the decision to use nuclear weapons ultimately rests with Vladimir Putin, although there may be some delegation of authority. The structure of the Russian system, built during the Cold War, indicates a heightened risk of nuclear escalation if tensions between the US and Russia intensify.

    • The danger of a nuclear war between US and Russia is realBoth US and Russia spend billions to maintain nuclear arsenals, and a conflict could escalate to a nuclear war with catastrophic consequences.

      The potential for a nuclear war between the United States and Russia is a real and present danger, not a distant fantasy. Nuclear weapons are not just theoretical constructs, but physical devices with maintenance plans, delivery systems, and operational plans. The idea of a nuclear war as an unreality is a dangerous fantasy. The United States and Russia spend billions of dollars each year to maintain their nuclear arsenals and be ready to use them on a moment's notice. A direct conflict between these two powers could lead to the use of nuclear weapons, and the consequences would be catastrophic. The current conflict in Ukraine could potentially escalate to this point, and both sides must be cautious to avoid such an outcome. The stakes are apocalyptic, and it's essential to remember that every day, people are preparing for the possibility of nuclear war.

    • Potential risks of escalation in Ukraine-Russia conflict and NATO involvementRussia's potential attack on NATO targets could lead to the entire alliance getting pulled into the conflict, increasing the risk of escalation and unintended consequences.

      The ongoing conflict between Ukraine and Russia, and the potential involvement of NATO, carries significant risks of escalation. While there are deterrents in place, such as nuclear weapons, there are no clear rules or bright lines. Russia could potentially make a determination to attack NATO targets, which could lead to the entire alliance getting pulled into the conflict. The fear of escalation seems to be holding both sides back, but there is a risk that this sense of restraint could break down. The potential for conventional weapons being used could lead to a dangerous habit of hitting each other's territory, and the situation could get out of control even if it's not intended to. It's important to remember that those in charge have a history of making decisions with uncertain outcomes, and the belief that they can always pull back at the last minute may be overly optimistic.

    • Conflict in Ukraine: Uncertainty over Genocide and the Role of Nuclear WeaponsThe conflict in Ukraine raises concerns of potential genocide, but the involvement of nuclear weapons complicates intervention efforts due to the unique dynamic of the nuclear age, which grants states sovereignty and control over their regions despite human rights abuses.

      The ongoing conflict in Ukraine between Russia and Ukraine has led to increasing reports of mass atrocities, raising concerns of potential genocide. The nature of these atrocities, including mass murder, torture, and sexual violence, has left scholars uncertain about the label, with some arguing that it constitutes genocide. However, the potential involvement of nuclear weapons in the conflict complicates the situation, as the fear of nuclear war creates a geopolitical logic that makes intervention challenging. The nuclear age has created a unique dynamic where adversaries, despite their differences and human rights abuses, must trust each other to avoid nuclear war. This dynamic, which many find unsettling, limits the ability to intervene in conflicts involving nuclear powers. The use of nuclear weapons creates a deterrent, but it also grants states sovereignty and control over their regions, potentially putting average people at risk.

    • Complexities and uncertainties of nuclear deterrenceThe stability-instability paradox highlights the potential for nuclear deterrence to fail, increasing the risk of wider conflict and unpredictable consequences, especially when both sides have reasons to escalate.

      The stability-instability paradox in international relations highlights the complexities and uncertainties surrounding nuclear deterrence. While deterrence has worked in preventing direct conflict between nuclear-armed powers in limited cases, the potential for failure is a real concern, especially in situations where both sides have reasons to escalate. The risk of a wider conflict, such as the ongoing Ukraine crisis, could trigger Russia's strategic nuclear doctrine, leading to unpredictable consequences. Convincing Putin that military action is limited and not aimed at removing him from power is a significant challenge due to his perceived paranoia and belief that the West wants him out. The moment Putin perceives an existential threat to Russia, he may make a gut decision to use nuclear weapons, making it impossible to predict the outcome. The US government has not publicly disclosed specific policies on how to respond if a legitimate military target is hit with nuclear weapons. The stakes are high, and the potential for miscalculation and unintended consequences are significant. It's crucial to prioritize diplomacy and dialogue to prevent a wider conflict and preserve humanity.

    • Nuclear Weapons: A Risky Proposition for International ConflictsThe use of nuclear weapons in conflicts is a topic of debate, with potential for escalation and unknown consequences. Effective communication between major powers is crucial in preventing conflicts and misunderstandings.

      The use of nuclear weapons in international conflicts is a topic of great debate, with some arguing that the US should narrow the scope of when it discusses their use to avoid misunderstandings, while others believe that such discussions give a president the option to respond with nuclear weapons in certain scenarios. However, the potential for escalation and the unknown consequences make it a risky proposition. Communication between major powers, like the US and Russia, is crucial in preventing conflicts and misunderstandings. While there have been efforts to maintain open lines of communication, concerns remain about the effectiveness of these channels. Ultimately, the stakes are too high to rely on past successes and assumptions, and the uncertainty surrounding nuclear weapons and their use makes it a topic that requires careful consideration and ongoing dialogue.

    • The US-Russia nuclear relationship has deteriorated significantly since the end of the Cold WarThe US missed opportunities to change the relationship under Gorbachev and Yeltsin, leading to an authoritarian Putin seeking to reassert control and potentially dangerous situations due to miscalculations and conflict over ICBMs

      The US-Russia nuclear relationship has deteriorated significantly since the end of the Cold War, leading to a more tense and potentially dangerous situation. This decline began when the US missed an opportunity to fundamentally change the relationship under Gorbachev and Yeltsin, instead choosing to maintain the status quo with lower nuclear stockpiles but without addressing underlying issues. This failure to alter the relationship was compounded by the subsequent failure of Russian democracy, leading to the rise of an authoritarian figure in Putin who seeks to reassert Russian control and reverse the post-Cold War settlement. The current situation, marked by defensive and hostile communications, raises concerns about the potential for miscalculations and conflict, particularly with regards to issues like Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles (ICBMs) that require flying over adversarial territory.

    • Misplaced Nuclear Optimism under ObamaFocus on preventing nuclear war by strengthening deterrence, diplomacy, non-proliferation, and disarmament initiatives.

      The moment of nuclear optimism during Barack Obama's presidency was misplaced due to a lack of sincere interest and action from the Obama administration. This misplaced optimism might have been influenced by Russian domestic politics, but it also reflected the continuity of nuclear policy from the Bush administration. The window for changing the relationship with Russia had likely passed by the time Obama took office, as Putin had already established his authoritarian state and viewpoint. Moving forward, it's crucial to focus on preventing a nuclear war. Two key actions include strengthening nuclear deterrence and diplomacy to reduce tensions and prevent misunderstandings between nuclear powers. Additionally, investing in nuclear non-proliferation efforts and disarmament initiatives can help mitigate the risks of nuclear conflict. Ultimately, recognizing the importance of sustained attention and commitment to nuclear issues is essential for ensuring the safety and security of the world.

    • Staying optimistic and focusing on the long runDespite geopolitical tensions and nuclear threats, there's hope for reducing tensions and making different choices for a more peaceful future. New leadership offers opportunities for progress and advancement of peace.

      Even in the face of geopolitical tensions and nuclear threats, it's crucial for us to avoid escalation pathways that could lead to catastrophe. Vladimir Putin and Joe Biden, like all leaders, are not eternal, and the prospect of new leadership in the future offers an opportunity to make different choices and potentially reduce tensions. While we may be in a more nuclear and insecure world for the foreseeable future, it's essential to stay optimistic and focus on the long run. The history of international relations shows us that even in the midst of crises, there have been opportunities for progress and the advancement of peace. So, let's keep that in mind as we navigate the complexities of global politics.

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