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    Martin Seligman || From Learned Helplessness to Learned Hopefulness

    enJune 04, 2020

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    • Embrace new experiences and challenge beliefs for personal growthExploring new things can lead to personal growth and progress. Belief in free will and agency drives human progress. Embrace new experiences and challenge beliefs to invest in personal growth.

      Exploring new things, experiences, and ideas, whether old or new, can lead to personal growth and progress. This was a recurring theme in the conversation between Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman and Dr. Martin Seligman. Dr. Seligman, a leading figure in positive psychology, discussed his ongoing research on the concept of human agency throughout history and how belief in free will and agency drives human progress. Meanwhile, listeners were encouraged to try new supplements from Symbionica for better health and to pack essential gear like Columbia's PFG Solar Stream Elite Hoodie for outdoor adventures. Overall, the message was to embrace new experiences, challenge beliefs, and invest in personal growth.

    • The belief in free will and human agency has influenced human progressThe belief in free will and human agency, whether real or not, has led to periods of progress and stagnation in human history. Recent research suggests that humans naturally tend towards helplessness in response to adversity, but learning that we can take action can foster hope and progress.

      The belief in free will and human agency has been a significant driver of human progress throughout history. This belief, whether or not it's grounded in reality, has influenced religious and philosophical thought, leading to periods of material advancement and stagnation. For instance, the belief in divine grace and human incapability to choose good or evil, as espoused by Augustine in the 4th century, coincided with minimal progress. However, when the belief shifted towards human participation in their own grace, as argued by Erasmus and Pico in the 1500s, human progress resumed. This shift was met with opposition during the Reformation, resulting in a heated debate over free will that lasted for centuries. Ultimately, the Dutch Protestants' belief in human efficacy and will led to the development of modern Protestantism. It's important to note that recent research, such as Steve Mayer's work on learned helplessness, suggests that the default response for mammals, including humans, to aversive events is helplessness, but what we learn is that we can take action and make a difference. This discovery highlights the importance of hope and the belief in our ability to change our circumstances.

    • From learned helplessness to learned hopefulnessMartin Seligman's research on animals led him to discover humans' ability to learn hope through cultural and linguistic means, contributing to a shift in psychology's focus towards positive topics.

      Martin Seligman's research on learned helplessness in animals led him to discover the concept of learned hopefulness in humans. This shift from helplessness to hopefulness was not only a personal transformation for Seligman, but also a significant contribution to the field of psychology as a whole. The discovery that humans have a uniquely large and word-responsive prefrontal cortex, which allows us to learn hope through cultural and linguistic means, was a major finding. Additionally, Seligman was part of a movement that changed the focus of psychology from negative topics to positive ones, such as meaning, control, love, engagement, and hope. This shift was legitimized by the massive progress in human welfare during this time. Seligman's dream at age 30, where he saw people playing with cards in the Guggenheim Museum, symbolized a sense of aimlessness and dissatisfaction with his career. This dream served as a catalyst for him to pursue research on positive psychology and ultimately make significant contributions to the field.

    • A dream led Seligman to shift focus from psychopathology to positive psychologyOptimistic people believe bad events are temporary, local, and controllable, making them less likely to become helpless or depressed.

      The research of Martin Seligman, the founder of Positive Psychology, was influenced by a dream where a god told him to focus on what makes life worth living, instead of just studying psychopathology. This shift in focus came after Seligman discovered that some people were more resilient to adversity than others, and he attributed this resilience to optimism. In his experiments on helplessness, he found that optimistic people believed that bad events were temporary, local, and controllable, while pessimistic people saw them as permanent, pervasive, and uncontrollable. This led Seligman to spend ten years researching optimism, and he found that optimistic people were less likely to become helpless or depressed in response to bad events. Despite facing skepticism when he ran for president of the American Psychological Association, Seligman persevered and was eventually elected, bringing positive psychology into the mainstream of psychology research.

    • Consumer report study reveals significant differences between people's beliefs about therapy effectiveness and clinical outcomes80-90% of people believe therapy is effective for them, while only 60% show improvement in clinical studies. All therapies work equally well in consumer reports, contrasting specific therapy effectiveness in clinical studies. This led to a shift towards positive psychology, focusing on enhancing life beyond mental health issues.

      The results of a consumer report study on psychotherapy revealed significant differences compared to traditional outcome studies. The consumer report study found that 80 to 90% of people believed psychotherapy was very effective for them, while only about 60% were affected in clinical outcome studies. Additionally, every type of therapy worked about equally well in the consumer report study, whereas in clinical outcome studies, specific therapies were more effective for certain disorders. These findings led the speaker to question what was missing in psychology and inspired him to focus on positive psychology, which aims to improve and enhance the human experience beyond just treating mental health issues. An emblematic turning point was when his daughter, Nikki, reminded him of her transformation from constant whining to happiness after her fifth birthday. This experience reinforced the importance of focusing on what makes life worth living. The speaker went on to win the presidency of the American Psychological Association based on these findings and the new direction of positive psychology.

    • Positive psychology: Focus on positive emotions and character strengths for better health during pandemicPositive emotions like smiling, laughing, and having fun can help reduce severity and length of viral infections, including coronaviruses. Cultivating character strengths such as leadership, creativity, critical intelligence, and love of beauty can help individuals navigate through challenging times and build resilience.

      Positive psychology, a field focused on what's right in life, offers valuable insights during uncertain times, such as the coronavirus pandemic. According to research, having a high level of positive affectivity, or positive emotions like smiling, laughing, and having fun, can help reduce the severity and length of viral infections, including coronaviruses. So, having as much fun as possible during this challenging time is a positive psychology recommendation. Additionally, optimism, or the belief that the future will be better, did not show any significant impact on the length or severity of colds in the study. However, it's essential to remember that positive psychology is not just about positive emotions; it's also about character strengths, such as leadership, creativity, critical intelligence, and love of beauty. Cultivating these strengths can help individuals navigate through difficult times and build resilience. Overall, focusing on positive emotions and character strengths can contribute to better mental and physical health during the pandemic.

    • Maintaining hope and optimism during pandemicFocus on hope and optimism for future recovery, beyond income level, balanced approach needed for internal and external factors.

      During the pandemic, focusing on optimism and hope is crucial for recovery. Contrary to popular belief, this doesn't mean constantly having fun or being overly positive. Instead, it's about maintaining a sense of hope and optimism for the future. A criticism of positive psychology is that it focuses too much on internal happiness, neglecting external factors like income and societal conditions. However, research shows that beyond a certain income level, additional income does not significantly increase life satisfaction. Thus, a balanced approach that considers both internal and external factors is essential.

    • Beyond Happiness: Positive Psychology's GoalsPositive psychology goes beyond happiness to focus on income, life improvements, engagement, relationships, meaning, and accomplishment, aiming to enhance well-being and alleviate suffering.

      Positive psychology is not just about making people happy, but also about increasing their income and improving their lives below the safety net, while above it, focusing on engagement, relationships, meaning, and accomplishment. A common criticism against positive psychology is that it ignores suffering and focuses only on happiness. However, positive psychology is not a replacement for clinical psychology or negative psychology, but rather an addition to it, asking the question of what builds a good life beyond just the relief of suffering. Humanistic psychology, which came before positive psychology, had similar goals but lacked the scientific rigor that positive psychology brought. Overall, positive psychology aims to improve lives and alleviate suffering, not ignore it.

    • The importance of collaboration between humanistic and positive psychologistsCollaboration between humanistic and positive psychologists can lead to a stronger scientific foundation, as both fields value the importance of natural abilities and the role of effort in achieving success.

      Humanistic and positive psychologists can benefit from collaborating on a scientific foundation, despite historical divisions and the lack of scientific rigor in some humanistic works. The speaker, who has a background in both psychology and bridge, draws an analogy between the two fields and the distinction between "naturals" and those who require more effort to succeed. In bridge, there are those who seem to have an innate talent for the game, and in psychology, the speaker considers himself a natural. However, success in both fields is not solely determined by natural ability, but also by factors like grit and time on task. The speaker is currently developing a new theory on creativity and looks forward to testing it through courses. Overall, the conversation highlights the importance of combining scientific rigor with the humanistic aspects of psychology to advance the field.

    • Five Types of Creative Ideas: Integration, Differentiation, Figure Ground Reversals, Distality, and Creative AccidentsNewton's theory of gravity is an example of integration, the discovery of variola major and variola minor illustrates differentiation, figure ground reversals include the Copernican revolution and positive psychology, distality is demonstrated by Einstein and Tesla, and creative accidents led to the discovery of antibiotics and radiation.

      Creativity in science, and possibly in art, is not limited to a single type. According to the speaker, there are five distinct kinds of creative ideas: integration, differentiation, figure ground reversals, distality, and creative accidents. Integration involves recognizing that seemingly disparate things are actually the same. Newton's theory of gravity is an example of this. Differentiation, on the other hand, is the ability to identify that things which appear similar are actually different. The discovery of variola major and variola minor is a good example. Figure ground reversals involve challenging the fundamental assumptions of a field and asking what the opposite might be. The Copernican revolution and positive psychology are examples. Distality refers to the ability to imagine things that are vastly different from the present. Einstein and Tesla are notable examples. Lastly, creative accidents are discoveries that occur by chance. The discovery of antibiotics and radiation are examples. The speaker acknowledges that this theory is still in the exploratory stage, but believes it could have practical applications in business settings. Additionally, the speaker emphasizes that creativity is not fully captured by existing tests, which often focus on quantity rather than quality and the importance of considering the audience. The speaker also highlights the importance of usefulness and surprisingness in creativity.

    • The Importance of Perspective and Positivity in PsychotherapyAaron Beck emphasizes the significance of future orientation in psychotherapy, encourages reading his autobiography for deeper understanding, and values creativity, perspective, and positivity.

      Creativity and disruptive thinking are essential for not being boring and for making progress in various fields, including psychotherapy. Aaron Beck, a renowned psychotherapist, emphasizes the importance of perspective and positivity in the future of psychotherapy, as anxiety and depression are primarily about concerns for the future. The field of psychotherapy has neglected this future orientation, focusing instead on the past and present. Beck also encourages people to read his autobiography, "The Hope Circuit," for a deeper understanding of his work and perspective. Additionally, he expresses gratitude for the opportunity to teach positive psychology at the University of Pennsylvania. The conversation touched upon controversies regarding the application of Beck's work, but he encourages those interested to learn more by reading his autobiography and Scott's book. Overall, the conversation highlights the importance of creativity, perspective, and positivity in various aspects of life and mental health.

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