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    Releasing Obsessive Thoughts: Rumination, OCD, and Dealing with Fear

    enApril 17, 2023

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    • Understanding Rumination: A Negative Mental ProcessRumination is a repetitive, unproductive mental process that can significantly impact our quality of life by getting stuck in negative thoughts and feelings. Learn techniques to break free and regain autonomy.

      Rumination is a repetitive, unproductive, and negative mental process that can significantly impact our quality of life. It's like getting stuck in a loop of negative thoughts and feelings, and it's different from productive worrying or daydreaming. This mental chewing of negative cud can stem from past experiences or intrusive thoughts. To learn more about dealing with rumination, check out Rick Hansen's upcoming one-day live online workshop on April 22, 2023. You can visit rickhansen.net/rumination to learn more and use the coupon code "beingwell20" for a 20% discount. Ultimately, understanding rumination and learning techniques to break free from it can help you regain autonomy and freedom inside your own mind.

    • Understanding the Function of Repetitive ThoughtsRecognize the purpose behind repetitive thoughts, whether it's a defense mechanism or a habit, to effectively manage and let go of them.

      The human mind has the unique ability to ruminate and mentally travel through time, which can be beneficial for learning and planning. However, this capacity can also lead to problematic repetitive thoughts and obsessions that serve as a defense mechanism against scary or painful emotions and sensations. These thoughts can be categorized as annoying or repetitive, such as a song being stuck in one's head, or thoughts that make us feel bad, leading to negative emotions. The function of these thoughts can be to avoid experiencing something or as a result of a habit. It's important to understand the psychological function of these thoughts before attempting to let go of them.

    • Understanding the Purpose of Intrusive ThoughtsRecognizing the intentions behind intrusive thoughts and distinguishing between adaptive and disordered rumination is crucial for promoting mental wellbeing.

      Our brains are wired to problem-solve and cope with difficult situations, but when faced with unresolvable issues, they can become fixated and cause harm through constant rumination. These thought patterns, whether related to OCD or not, often serve a purpose but come with costs. Understanding the underlying intentions and mechanisms of these thoughts is the first step towards finding healthier ways to accomplish the same goals. Additionally, there's a difference between adaptive and disordered rumination. While some people may find relief in tidying up their space, for those with disordered OCD, the compulsion doesn't bring lasting relief. Furthermore, the background beliefs and self-perceptions that cast long shadows in our minds can be addressed through the insights gained from understanding intrusive thoughts. This discussion offers a broad perspective on mental wellbeing, focusing on the subclinical range of intrusive thoughts.

    • Understanding Rumination: A Way to Avoid Confronting Difficult EmotionsRumination, or repeatedly thinking about past events, can protect individuals from uncomfortable feelings but also prevent healing. Clinicians can help individuals explore underlying causes and learn to tolerate and process experiences instead.

      Rumination, the act of repeatedly thinking about a past event or experience, can be a way for individuals to avoid confronting difficult emotions or experiences. It's important to approach rumination with empathy and understanding, as it may serve a protective function. The root cause of rumination can vary, from preventing an unwanted experience or promoting certain behaviors, to serving as a form of dissociation from uncomfortable feelings. As a clinician, it's essential to help individuals explore the underlying cause of their rumination and learn to tolerate and process the experiences they're trying to avoid. This can involve validating their emotions, normalizing the experience, and encouraging them to engage with their feelings rather than suppressing them through rumination. By understanding the function of rumination and approaching it with compassion, individuals can begin to move past it and find peace with their past experiences.

    • Understanding Unusual Thoughts and BehaviorsRecognize the normalcy of unusual thoughts and behaviors, assess an individual's relationship with reality, respect neurodiversity, and approach with a respectful and informed perspective.

      It's normal for individuals to experience unusual thoughts or behaviors, and these experiences are often rooted in instinctual archetypes or unconscious processes. These experiences can be influenced by various factors, including medication, psychological trauma, and individual differences in reality testing. It's essential to normalize these experiences and assess an individual's relationship with reality to effectively address any underlying issues. Furthermore, it's crucial to respect neurodiversity, neurological diversity, and cultural differences in understanding and addressing these experiences. Overall, recognizing the normalcy of unusual thoughts and behaviors and approaching them with a respectful and informed perspective can lead to a better understanding and improved outcomes.

    • Acknowledge, name, and distractWhen encountering distressing thoughts or images, acknowledge them, name them, and deliberately distract yourself to prevent dwelling and exercise willpower.

      When we encounter distressing images or thoughts, it's important to acknowledge them, name them, and then deliberately distract ourselves to prevent dwelling on them. Naming the fear or anxiety gives us some distance and engages rational parts of the brain. Distracting ourselves, such as reading a book or thinking about a happy movie, helps us move away from the image or thought and exercise willpower. Another strategy is to identify and allow ourselves to feel the emotions associated with the image or thought, which can help us process and complete the experience. Personal examples of this include confronting fears of the dark or death by acknowledging and accepting the potential outcome. This practice can help us move from a morbid preoccupation to a normal range experience.

    • Embracing Fear and Uncertainty for Personal GrowthStay present, surrender to experiences, and seek reliable info for personal growth. Use simple skincare solutions for acne, and trustworthy sources for health concerns.

      Embracing fear and uncertainty, rather than avoiding them, can lead to personal growth and enlightenment. This idea is illustrated in a story about the Buddhist teacher Ajahn Chah, who overcame his fear of spirits by staying present and surrendering to the experience. In our daily lives, we can apply this lesson to various challenges, such as skin issues or health concerns. For instance, instead of stressing about acne, we can use simple and effective skincare solutions from OneSkin. Similarly, as we age and face complex health issues, it's essential to seek reliable and evidence-based information from trusted sources, such as the ZOE Science and Nutrition podcast. By staying informed and embracing the unknown, we can make smarter choices for our long-term health and well-being.

    • Embracing Fears and Difficult ExperiencesAccepting and acknowledging fears and difficult experiences can lead to personal growth and healing. Surrendering to them and recognizing their deeper meaning can help overcome them.

      Accepting and acknowledging our fears and difficult experiences, rather than suppressing them, can lead to personal growth and healing. The speaker shares a personal story of how he overcame his fear of a recurring psychedelic experience by surrendering to it and recognizing that it represented suppressed aspects of himself. This theme of balance between closeness and distance in dealing with painful experiences is a common thread in various strategies for healing and recovery, as seen in the examples of creating a coherent narrative of childhood and recording and listening to traumatic experiences. Overall, the message is that embracing our fears and difficult experiences, while maintaining a sense of separation and perspective, can lead to profound personal growth.

    • Finding balance: Closeness and distance in dealing with challenging materialPractice emotional distancing through clarifying thoughts, journaling, distress tolerance, and mindfulness to find balance in dealing with difficult experiences. Engaging fully with an obsession can also help free oneself from its grip.

      Effective engagement with challenging material requires finding the right balance between closeness and distance. This principle, often applied in relationships, can be extended to dealing with difficult thoughts and experiences. To achieve this balance, practicing emotional distancing techniques such as clarifying the function of a thought, journaling, and developing distress tolerance can be helpful. Additionally, mindfulness practices like acceptance and untangling one's egoic self from a thought stream can provide valuable perspective and reduce emotional entanglement. Ironically, sometimes engaging fully with an obsession, even by exaggerating it, can help free oneself from its grip by bringing the obsession into one's own influence. These practices, when used together, can enable a more productive and healthier approach to dealing with difficult material.

    • Suppressing thoughts makes them strongerInstead of suppressing unwanted thoughts, practice acceptance and widen perspective for better understanding and freedom.

      Trying to suppress unwanted thoughts or obsessions only makes them more powerful. Instead, you should practice thought acceptance and widen your perspective to gain a better understanding of the experience. This can help depersonalize the thoughts and recognize their emptiness, ultimately giving you a sense of freedom in the midst of them. Additionally, these practices are rooted in the functions and regions of the brain. Thought suppression, which is pushing down unwanted thoughts, is ineffective and can even make things worse. Instead, strategies like distraction, widening your perspective, and thought acceptance are more effective in managing obsessions and compulsions.

    • Expanding Perspective from Egocentric to AllocentricFocusing less on self and more on bigger picture through practices like meditation and mindfulness can help reduce obsession and compulsion.

      Expanding our perspective from an egocentric to an allocentric worldview can help reduce obsession and compulsion. This means focusing less on how things relate to us and more on the bigger picture. Practices like meditation and mindfulness can help us deliberate focus our attention and resist the default mode network's pull. Obsession and compulsion can make us feel helpless, but by implementing these practices, we can gain agency and freedom. A common example of something we might obsess over is a past interaction that went awry. To move past this, we can try the following: 1. Identify the specific thought pattern or belief that is causing the obsession. 2. Challenge the validity and helpfulness of that thought. 3. Practice mindfulness and deliberate attention to bring awareness to the present moment. 4. Engage in activities that bring joy and fulfillment to counteract the negative thought cycle. 5. Seek support from friends, family, or professionals to gain new perspectives and gain a sense of connection and understanding. By focusing on the bigger picture and implementing practices that promote mindfulness and deliberate attention, we can break free from the grip of obsession and compulsion.

    • Healing past hurt: Feel, Take Responsibility, Perspective, ReleaseTo heal past hurt, open yourself to all feelings, take reasonable responsibility, gain a wider perspective, and actively release the past

      Processing past hurt involves fully experiencing and releasing emotions, taking responsibility, and gaining a wide perspective. This approach allows for forgiveness and moving forward. First, open yourself up to all feelings, even those buried deep. Second, take reasonable responsibility for your actions, but don't overdo it. Third, see the situation from a broader perspective, including causes, conditions, and histories. Fourth, actively work on releasing the past by reminding yourself of the feelings, your responsibility, and the progress made. By embracing guilt and innocence together, you can find peace and growth.

    • Taking responsibility for thoughts and actionsRecognizing our role in thoughts and actions, even without guilt, helps claim innocence and move forward. Focusing on positive experiences and the present can improve self-perception and alleviate obsessive thinking.

      Taking responsibility for our thoughts and actions, even without appropriate guilt, can help us claim innocence and move forward. Many people get stuck in the "messy middle," where they've insufficiently claimed responsibility and failed to give themselves the benediction of innocence. This is a common experience, and the pain from intrusive thoughts often falls into two categories: disturbing thoughts and thoughts that make us feel bad about ourselves. Negative self-perception, or negative grandiosity, can make it hard to improve. However, doing good things in the world and focusing on the present can help us feel better about ourselves and give us the freedom to let go of past mistakes. Additionally, recognizing that our obsessions and compulsions are often ways of managing fears of contamination and catastrophe can help us find refuge and relief. Overall, the conversation highlighted the importance of taking responsibility for our thoughts and actions, finding refuge in positive experiences, and focusing on the present to overcome obsessive thinking.

    • Balancing engagement and autonomy in managing thoughtsUnderstand the purpose of rumination, engage with thoughts while retaining control to prevent obsessive thinking and move on.

      Understanding and managing our thoughts, particularly those that lead to rumination, requires a balance between engagement and autonomy. This process, which is often confrontational, involves deliberately engaging with the thought while retaining control. Rumination, the habit of obsessive thinking that prevents us from moving on, can serve various purposes such as self-soothing or problem-solving attempts. However, when the brain becomes dysfunctional in trying to solve an unsolvable problem or when dealing with unprocessed emotional experiences, it can lead to obsessive thoughts and rumination. To manage these thoughts, it's essential to understand their purpose and engage with them in a balanced and controlled manner, rather than becoming a prisoner to them.

    • Balancing closeness and distance in managing intrusive thoughtsJournaling helps gain perspective, understand situations holistically, and find balance between taking responsibility and giving credit.

      Finding balance between closeness and distance is crucial in managing intrusive thoughts and ruminations. Journaling is a recommended practice to gain perspective and see thoughts as separate entities. This can help us avoid the egocentric view and understand situations more holistically. Taking full responsibility for our actions while giving ourselves appropriate credit is also essential to progress. Many people get stuck in the middle, neither fully taking responsibility nor giving themselves credit. It's a two-part process that requires both actions. Rick Hansen, a renowned psychologist, emphasizes the importance of this balance in his upcoming workshop on rumination. To learn more and register, visit rickhansen.net/rumination with coupon code "beingwell20" for a 20% discount. If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe to the podcast, watch it on YouTube (Forrest Hanson), or support it on Patreon (patreon.com/beingwellpodcast) for bonus content.

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