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    Sarah C. M. Paine - WW2, Taiwan, Ukraine, & Maritime vs Continental Powers

    enOctober 04, 2023

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    • Coordinating all instruments of national powerEffective grand strategy requires integrating all elements of national power towards achieving objectives, while accounting for the complexities of political dynamics and the need to adapt to changing circumstances.

      Effective grand strategy requires the coordination of all instruments of national power towards achieving national objectives. The individuals making decisions within a government, each with their own ambitions and constraints, make strategy a complex and dynamic process. Historical examples, such as Japan's lack of coordination during World War 2, illustrate the importance of this integration. However, it's important to remember that grand strategy is not a static concept. Democracies, with their open debates and checks and balances, may offer advantages in coordinating national power compared to authoritarian regimes, but they also come with their own challenges. Ultimately, the ability to adapt and respond to changing circumstances is a crucial component of successful grand strategy.

    • Institution building and preventing future conflictsThe aftermath of WW1 saw the victors focus on institution building and integrating national power to prevent future conflicts, leading to the creation of the National Security Act, UN, NATO, and more. Hitler's hubris and genocidal intentions led to his downfall, while Western leaders' success depended on intentions and conquered population stability.

      The aftermath of World War 1 led the victors, particularly in the West, to focus on institution building and integrating various elements of national power on a massive scale as a means to prevent future conflicts. This was seen through the passing of the National Security Act in the United States, the establishment of the United Nations, NATO, and other organizations. However, it's interesting to note that the perception of reality might not be as skewed for the victors as one might expect, as the losers, like Germany under Hitler, often face the challenge of understanding why they lost. Hitler's initial success in World War 2, with his blitzkrieg strategy, could have potentially been solidified had he stopped at the Anschluss or even the invasion of Poland without declaring war on other major powers. But Hitler's hubris and genocidal intentions made that impossible. The success of Western generals like Patton should not be solely attributed to their military prowess, but also to the support of various civilian architectures and technological advancements. Ultimately, the ability of a leader to expand their territory and maintain control depends on their intentions and the stability of the conquered population.

    • Historical consequences of using force and expansionUsing force and expansion historically proves less effective and more destructive than adhering to international laws and institutions. The 'death ground' approach creates strong enemies and strengthens national identities, while unconditional surrender allows for leader capitulation without affecting morale of the general population.

      The destructive approach of using force and expansion, as seen in the current situation in Ukraine, has been historically proven to be less effective and more wealth-destructive than adhering to international laws and institutions. This concept, known as "death ground," refers to when an enemy puts you in a position where you're at risk of being killed, forcing you to fight for survival. The Ukrainians initially welcomed the Germans due to the harsh conditions under Stalin, but the atrocities committed by the Nazis created a formidable enemy and forged a stronger Ukrainian national identity. In contrast, the strategy of unconditional surrender, as used against Germany and Japan, did not result in the same morale because the leaders put themselves on the line, while the general population was not put on death ground.

    • Japan's cultural values and shame drove their refusal to surrenderJapan's cultural emphasis on loyalty and shame led to their prolonged resistance in WWII, despite dire circumstances. Alliances with other powers could have altered history's course.

      The high morale and refusal to surrender of the Japanese military during World War II can be attributed to their cultural values, which emphasized obligations and loyalty to various groups, and the shame and dishonor associated with failure. This mindset, combined with Japan's weakened economy and resources by the end of the war, made it difficult for them to surrender despite the dire circumstances. Additionally, had Japan acted as a continental power and allied with the Nationalists against the Communists in China, they may have been able to prevent the spread of communism and potentially save millions of lives. However, the tragic outcome of history left us with the consequences of both the Japanese and Soviet totalitarian regimes, each with their own devastating impact on their respective populations.

    • The Differences in Post-War Outcomes for Britain and RussiaBritain's focus on trade and international law led to a peaceful transition to independent nations, while Russia's contiguous empire enabled it to maintain control, but the Soviet Union's faltering growth rates ultimately led to its downfall.

      The efficient and ruthless nature of the German regime under Hitler, had he survived World War 2, could have led to an even more devastating outcome than the Soviet Union's totalitarian rule under Stalin. The failure of grand strategy during World War 1, which led to the rise of pernicious ideologies like fascism and communism, set the stage for this potential horror. Britain, with its maritime geography and non-contiguous empire, was unable to hold on to its territories due to the spread of nationalism. In contrast, Russia's continental empire allowed it to maintain control over its territories. The differing outcomes of the two countries post-World War 2 can be attributed to their fundamentally different kinds of empires. Britain's focus on trade and international law laid the groundwork for a more peaceful transition to independent nations, while Russia's contiguous empire enabled it to hang on to its territories at great cost. However, the Soviet Union's growth rates eventually faltered, and the compounding effects of this became significant. Ultimately, the discussion highlights the importance of grand strategy and the consequences of its absence.

    • Impact of WW2 on Global Power DynamicsThe decision not to invade Russia and push further into Eastern Europe after WW2 allowed Stalin to consolidate power, shifting global power balance, but came at the cost of millions of lives and communist regimes in Eastern Europe.

      The outcome of historical events, such as the aftermath of World War 2 and the rise of the Soviet Union, can have profound and lasting impacts on global power dynamics. The decision not to invade Russia and push further into Eastern Europe may have allowed Stalin to consolidate power, leading to a significant shift in global power balance. However, the cost of this decision was the loss of millions of lives and the establishment of communist regimes in Eastern Europe. This decision was influenced by various factors, including strategic considerations, the cost of war, and the desire to defeat the greater threat of Hitler. It's important to note that history is complex, and counterfactual scenarios are difficult to determine with certainty. But, it's clear that the choices made during this time had significant consequences that are still felt today.

    • Impact of major historical events on global spread of communismKey figures like Stalin and the Russian Revolution significantly influenced the global spread of communism. The success or failure of opposing forces played a crucial role in shaping history, while wars resulted in devastating consequences for populations.

      The outcomes of major historical events, such as the spread of communism and the consequences of wars, are complex and influenced by numerous factors. The discussion touched upon the role of key figures like Stalin and the impact of the Russian Revolution on the global spread of communism. The success or failure of opposing forces, such as the White Army in Russia and the Nationalists in China, played significant roles in shaping the course of history. Additionally, the discussion highlighted the devastating effects of war on populations, including civilian deaths from starvation and the loss of able-bodied leaders. Wars are difficult to end, and the consequences can be far-reaching and long-lasting.

    • Understanding different perspectives in international relationsOpen-minded decision-making in international relations involves reading materials from various sources and languages to understand different perspectives, avoiding a 'half court tennis' mentality.

      The insights of scholars on historical wars, empires, and international relations have a role in influencing military and civilian leadership, but the extent of this influence is unclear. The US Naval War College plays a part in this process by assigning readings from such scholars to officers, encouraging them to consider different perspectives. However, it's crucial for decision-makers to understand the other side in international relations, avoiding the "half court tennis" mentality of focusing solely on their own perspective. This requires reading materials from various sources and languages. For instance, the works of the speaker, including "Wars for Asia" and "Imperial Japan," offer valuable insights through extensive research in multiple countries. By being open-minded and understanding the world from different perspectives, better decisions can be made in international relations.

    • Understanding US maritime position crucial for international interventions, archival research important for historical insightsExploring the past through archival research is vital for understanding geopolitical tensions during the Cold War era and avoiding 'big lies'.

      Understanding the maritime position of the United States is crucial when deciding whether to intervene in international issues. Archival research plays a significant role in uncovering unknown unknowns and shedding light on historical events. However, access to archives in certain countries like China and Russia has become increasingly difficult. The Cold War, which began in 1917, is an essential period to study to understand the geopolitical tensions between capitalist and communist ideologies. The credulity of some people towards Soviet Union's claims can be attributed to the horrors of World War I and the belief that things couldn't get worse. Additionally, the open press in the West and the existence of a semi-free press in China under Chiang Kai-shek may have contributed to the belief that these countries' claims were truthful. However, it's essential to critically evaluate information and not fall prey to "big lies" that can be powerful but ultimately crumble when exposed.

    • Japanese colonialism led to economic developmentJapan's colonial rule in Manchuria, Korea, and Taiwan brought significant economic progress through infrastructure, education, and local control, but the atrocities committed overshadowed these achievements, making it difficult for the region to acknowledge its past successes.

      The Japanese occupation of areas like Manchuria, Korea, and Taiwan, despite the atrocities committed, led to significant economic development through infrastructure building, education, and local control. This contrasts with the approach of Western powers like the United States, which focused on dealing with elite classes and failed to modernize local structures. If the Japanese empire had not gone to war with the US and survived, we might have seen a prosperous and wealthy region of Asia. However, the atrocities committed by the Japanese military overshadowed these achievements, making it difficult for them to boast about their past successes. This historical analysis sheds light on the complex relationship between colonialism, economic development, and the long-term impact of colonial rule.

    • Leaders' decisions with unintended consequencesLeaders' actions, no matter how well-intentioned, can have far-reaching and unintended consequences, potentially leading to larger conflicts and global crises. Considering the potential reactions and decisions of other countries before taking actions is crucial to avoid disastrous outcomes.

      Individual decisions and actions by leaders, no matter how well-intentioned, can have far-reaching and unintended consequences, potentially leading to larger conflicts and global crises. The example given was the decision by the United States to impose tariffs in the 1930s, which led Japan to invade Manchuria and eventually China, setting the stage for World War II. Similarly, Putin's decision to invade Ukraine could have similar unintended consequences, potentially leading to a larger conflict. It's crucial for leaders to consider the potential reactions and decisions of other countries before taking actions, as the international economy and geopolitical landscape are interconnected. The failure to do so can result in disastrous outcomes for all involved.

    • Understanding historical context and perspectives is crucial in evaluating international conflictsHistorical context shapes countries' actions and desires, and understanding perspectives is vital to prevent misunderstandings and potential conflicts. Countries seek security and prosperity, but actions and attitudes may not align with these goals, and potential consequences should be the primary consideration.

      Historical context and understanding the perspectives of all involved parties are crucial when evaluating international conflicts and geopolitical strategies. The relationship between deterrence and provocation can be complex, and it's essential not to underestimate the desires and needs of the countries and people directly affected. In the case of Eastern Europe and NATO expansion, the countries involved sought security and prosperity, which was denied under Soviet domination. Integrating Russia into the international community was a hoped-for strategy, but the Russians' actions and attitudes have not aligned with these goals. The potential consequences of nuclear war and the stability of the international system should be the primary considerations when making decisions, rather than denying certain countries access to alliances or economic opportunities. Additionally, leaders' actions can sometimes be driven by factors that make little strategic sense, and even rational actors may make mistakes that could lead to escalation.

    • Understanding Different Government MotivationsRecognizing unique circumstances and priorities of different countries is essential for effective conflict navigation. Supporting local forces and rebuilding existing institutions often leads to successful interventions.

      The motivations and priorities of different governments can vary greatly, and understanding these differences is crucial for making informed analyses. For instance, while Western governments are typically focused on improving the lives of their populations, some authoritarian regimes prioritize maintaining their power above all else. This was highlighted in the discussion about China and Russia, where decisions that may seem detrimental to living standards are actually driven by the need to preserve the ruling party's control. The situation in Ukraine illustrates the importance of supporting local forces when they are fighting for their country, as it's the locals who do the bulk of the fighting and have the most stake in the outcome. Another key takeaway is that successful interventions often depend on rebuilding existing institutions rather than starting from scratch. The examples of Japan and Germany after World War II demonstrate this, as the extensive network of functioning institutions in these countries made the rebuilding process much more effective. Overall, it's essential to recognize the unique circumstances and priorities of different countries to navigate international conflicts effectively.

    • The Role of National Identity and Competent Generations in Post-War RebuildingNational identity and competent post-war generations played a crucial role in Germany and Japan's rapid transformation into developed countries after WWII. Strong institutions and peace are essential, but they take time to build and can be disrupted by individuals outside of institutional structures.

      The rebuilding and development of Germany and Japan after World War II was facilitated by their strong sense of national identity and the presence of competent post-war generations. These factors allowed them to focus on state building and institution-building, which contributed to their rapid transformation into developed countries. In contrast, countries like Afghanistan and Iraq lack a strong sense of national identity and are plagued by ethnic conflicts and civil wars, making their development more challenging. Additionally, their internal locations and surrounding neighbors increase the likelihood of external intervention and instability. Institution-building is crucial for maintaining peace and stability, but it takes time and can be undone by individuals like Hitler or Bismarck, who act outside of institutional structures. The success of post-war Germany and Japan serves as a reminder of the importance of strong institutions and national identity in the rebuilding and development of nations.

    • Contrasting Paths of Taiwan and ChinaDespite Taiwan's democratic success and China's economic struggles, the Nationalists' violent land reform in Taiwan contrasts with South Korea's peaceful reform. China's political control and economic slowdown may increase tensions, but the consequences of Chinese action would be significant.

      Taiwan's democratic status and economic prosperity contrast sharply with China's current state, leading some to question what China might look like if the Nationalists had remained in power. However, when the Nationalists arrived in Taiwan after the Chinese Civil War, they were in a dire situation and implemented land reform with bloody consequences. This contrasts with South Korea, where Syngman Rhee successfully carried out land reform with less violence. China's current economic slowdown, demographic challenges, and Xi Jinping's consistent statements about taking Taiwan may increase the odds of Chinese action, but the consequences would be high. The Communist Party's desire to maintain political power and suppress autonomy has led to a surveillance state, raising concerns about individual freedoms and privacy. Ultimately, the Chinese people must find a solution to balance economic progress and political control.

    • The cost of China's current approach outweighs the benefitsChina's extensive surveillance state, cover-ups, and misallocated resources are leading to significant economic and social costs, reminiscent of the Soviet Union's experience. Investing in healthcare and education could bring significant tax revenue in the future.

      The current situation in China, with its extensive surveillance state, cover-ups, and misallocated resources, is leading to significant economic and social costs. This is reminiscent of the Soviet Union's experience, where lies and misallocated resources led to a deep crisis. The cost of China's current approach, including the human toll from COVID-19 and the resources devoted to surveillance, far outweighs the benefits of cheap interventions in rural areas. For instance, investing in healthcare and education could bring significant tax revenue in the future. Xi Jinping's handling of the COVID-19 outbreak, including the cover-up and the allowing of international travel despite the virus's spread, has led to a global crisis and lasting damage to China's reputation. The Soviet Union's experience shows that the compounding effects of lies and misallocated resources can lead to a deep crisis. The Chinese government's current approach is unsustainable and may lead to a similar implosion. Additionally, the comparison to World War 2 shows that investing in people and infrastructure can lead to economic growth, while focusing on military and surveillance can hinder it.

    • US Support During WW2 vs Current Scenario with Ukraine and TaiwanThe US has historically provided crucial resources to allies in conflict, but the economic consequences of such support can impact their long-term development. The complexities of sovereignty and China's territorial ambitions in Taiwan pose potential risks to international order.

      During World War 2, the United States played a crucial role in supplying the Soviet Union with essential resources like food and jet fuel, enabling them to continue fighting. However, the Soviet Union's focus on heavy industry and military power, rather than consumer goods, hindered their economic development. Moving forward, the United States is providing similar support to Ukraine. Regarding Taiwan, the odds of a conflict are uncertain, but the U.S. should prepare to deter and respond if necessary. The fundamental principle of international law is sovereignty, but applying it to Taiwan is complex due to China's long-standing desire to conquer it. China's history as a continental empire suggests a paradigm of territorial conquest, and their ambiguous stance on Taiwan could lead to further conflicts. The U.S. policy of strategic ambiguity aims to deter potential aggression without explicitly committing to military intervention. Despite China's economic achievements, the potential consequences of a Taiwan conflict could significantly disrupt the international order.

    • China's Responsibility in the Global Maritime OrderChina must follow international rules, diplomacy crucial to protect global order, potential conflict with US catastrophic, focus on diplomacy and cooperation instead of invasion

      China's reintegration into the global maritime order comes with the responsibility of following international rules, but the Communist Party's hold on power leaves them with few other options than to rely on nationalism and potentially risky actions. The global order is based on sovereignty and diplomacy, and it's crucial to protect it from potential conflicts, especially those that could lead to nuclear war. The communist system may be effective for seizing power in failing states, but it doesn't deliver prosperity, and it's essential to encourage cooperation and negotiation instead of invasion. The potential consequences of a military conflict between China and the US would be catastrophic, and it's important to remember that we cannot control the decisions of other countries. Instead, we should focus on diplomacy, international cooperation, and the protection of the global order that underpins our prosperity.

    • Naval warfare, modern challenges, and military leadershipCarriers play a crucial role in naval warfare but face vulnerabilities. Asymmetric warfare and technology evolve, military forces must adapt. Leadership and civilian control are essential for military effectiveness. Creative thinking and planning are vital components of military strategy.

      The role and effectiveness of military forces, particularly in the context of modern warfare, is a complex issue. The discussion highlighted the importance of carriers in naval warfare but also their vulnerabilities. Asymmetric warfare, such as the use of drones, can pose significant challenges to even the most advanced military equipment. The ongoing conflict in Ukraine is expected to provide valuable insights into what works and what doesn't in the realm of military strategy. The conversation also touched upon the potential impact of technology and the importance of maintaining a modern and efficient military. The era of great generals may not be over, but the way we perceive military leadership and the factors contributing to its success have evolved. The military's ability to adapt to new challenges and maintain civilian control remains crucial for its effectiveness. The discussion also emphasized the importance of creative thinking and planning in military strategy, as well as the role of individuals, beyond just generals, in holding things together during times of conflict.

    • The role of civilian control in preventing power imbalances and ensuring stabilityEffective civilian control over military and government institutions is crucial for preventing power imbalances and ensuring stability. Historical examples, such as Japan's Meiji Restoration and communist regimes, illustrate the importance of this principle.

      Effective civilian control over the military and government institutions plays a crucial role in preventing power imbalances and ensuring stability. The Meiji Restoration in Japan serves as an example of a group of leaders who held both civil and military positions, but lacked a formal mechanism for integrating these branches of government. This led to a more divided and less educated subsequent generation of leaders. In contrast, communist governments, such as China, have maintained control through party institutions and the use of political and military commissars. Effective propaganda and information warfare have also been essential tools for communist regimes to gain and maintain loyalty. The United States, on the other hand, has gradually established civilian control over the military through various means, including education and information warfare. The importance of civilian control is underscored by historical examples, such as the Russian Revolution and the Korean War, where military leaders overstepped their bounds and faced consequences.

    • Alliances formed around a common enemyEffective alliances are built when parties focus on their mutual enemy, as seen in WWII's unlikely alliance between democracies and communists, but political outcomes can vary due to historical context, external influences, and internal dynamics.

      Effective alliances are formed when parties recognize and focus on their primary enemies. This was evident during World War II, where the Axis powers' common enemy – Britain – led to an unlikely alliance between the democratic and communist forces. Conversely, the absence of a primary enemy, such as the defeat of Hitler, led to the end of the alliance and the beginning of the Cold War. Additionally, industrialization and development trajectories in countries like Japan, China, Korea, and Taiwan show that while similar processes may occur, the political outcomes can differ significantly. Factors such as historical context, external influences, and internal dynamics play crucial roles in shaping the nature of governments and their transitions towards democracy or authoritarianism.

    • Understanding historical context shapes military strategiesChina's focus on a large standing army and US/Europe's experience with democratic institutions and naval power stem from unique historical and geographical contexts, impacting military capabilities and potential threats.

      The historical context and geopolitical realities have shaped the military strategies and institutions of different nations, with China's continental location and historical threats leading to a focus on a large standing army, while the United States and European countries have had more experience with democratic institutions and naval power. The effectiveness of the Chinese military, particularly the PLA, in a war is uncertain due to limited information and practice rounds, and authoritarian systems can lack the feedback and information necessary for preparedness. Historical examples of deadly conflicts, such as the Taiping Rebellion and Chinese interventions in Vietnam, highlight the challenges of expeditionary warfare for China. Ultimately, understanding the unique historical and geographical contexts of different nations is crucial for assessing their military capabilities and potential threats.

    • Minimizing internal conflict and casualties in Chinese strategyStudying history and strategy requires extensive reading, language learning, and cultural immersion for a comprehensive perspective. Unearthing hidden collaborations and thorough research can lead to new insights in historical analysis.

      Effective strategy in Chinese history, as shown in their numerous rebellions and wars, involves minimizing internal conflict and casualties. However, this historical trend may not necessarily indicate strategic prowess, but rather a potential for reckless actions detrimental to themselves. Regarding the study of history and strategy, it requires extensive reading and publishing to gain a deep understanding. Learning languages of the societies being studied is essential for a more comprehensive perspective. Immersing oneself in the culture and asking questions can also provide valuable insights. An intriguing discovery from archival research was the possible collaboration between the Nationalists and Communists in covering up the rape of Manchuria during World War II. This revelation, among others, highlights the importance of thorough research and open-mindedness in historical analysis. Throughout my career, I've gained valuable insights by studying different maritime and continental powers, leading to the realization of their fundamentally distinct ways of organizing power and security. Understanding these differences can provide valuable context in analyzing international relations and strategies.

    • International cooperation vs continental approach: Security and economic growthInternational cooperation leads to security and input on order evolution, while continental expansion through force can result in destruction of wealth and economic growth. Self-study is important but should be balanced with formal education for a comprehensive understanding.

      International cooperation through maritime orders and international institutions leads to a win-win situation for all involved, whereas a continental approach can result in negative outcomes. This was evident in the examples given of Ukraine and Taiwan. The international order provides security and allows for input on how it evolves, whereas attempts to expand territorially through force can lead to destruction of wealth and economic growth. China, as an example, could benefit from joining the maritime order and focusing on improving its infrastructure and legal system instead of engaging in military expansion. Self-study of history can be helpful, but it may be incomplete without formal education and guided learning. The absence of proper guidance in graduate school led the speaker to read extensively, but it is important to balance self-study with formal education to gain a comprehensive understanding of strategy and history.

    • Naval War College: Team-Taught Strategy Course for Maritime PowersThe Naval War College's team-taught strategy course offers valuable insights from colleagues and faculty, broadening understanding of strategic concepts and historical cases for maritime powers. Consider technological consequences on history and strategy, and the potential implications for democracies and dictatorships.

      The Naval War College plays a crucial role in strategic education by offering a comprehensive strategy course that is team-taught and attended by a large number of students. This unique learning environment allows students to gain valuable insights from their colleagues and faculty, broadening their understanding of strategic concepts and historical cases. The maritime focus of the Naval War College is essential for understanding the strategic prerequisites and possibilities of being a maritime power, which is crucial for practicing US foreign policy. Additionally, students should consider the consequences of technological advancements on history and strategy, and think deeply about how these technologies may privilege dictatorships or democracies. Ultimately, education is about passing knowledge from one generation to the next, and it's important to approach learning with a broad perspective and a deep understanding of the potential implications of new technologies.

    • Making informed decisions with far-reaching consequencesStrive to make informed decisions that contribute to positive outcomes, addressing pressing issues and promoting democracy, while considering long-term benefits.

      The choices we make, whether it's investing in foreign countries or developing new technologies, can have unintended and far-reaching consequences. We may not be able to predict exactly how things will unfold, but we can strive to make informed decisions that contribute to positive outcomes. This can involve addressing pressing issues like national security and refugee crises, as well as engaging in charitable work and promoting democracy. It's important to remember that the actions of individuals and organizations can have a significant impact on the world around us. Additionally, it's crucial to consider the potential long-term benefits of our choices, even if they don't provide immediate solutions. Overall, the goal should be to make a positive difference, however small, and to continue learning and adapting as new challenges emerge.

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    (01:34:16) - AI & Scaling



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