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    Sarah Kliff grades Biden and Trump's health care plans

    enOctober 26, 2020

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    • Impact of Obamacare on Healthcare CoverageObamacare expanded healthcare coverage for 20 million Americans, but its effect on reducing healthcare costs remains uncertain. The Biden and Trump administrations have opposing views on its future, and the COVID-19 pandemic has worsened the situation by increasing the number of uninsured.

      The Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) has significantly increased the number of insured Americans, with approximately 20 million gaining coverage since its passage. However, its impact on reducing health costs is less clear. The Biden administration aims to expand Obamacare, while the Trump administration is trying to overturn it, which could lead to vastly different healthcare futures. The current healthcare situation is worsening due to the rise in the number of uninsured people during the COVID-19 pandemic. Sarah Kliff, a healthcare expert from The New York Times, provides valuable insights into the past, present, and potential future of Obamacare.

    • Medicaid expansion drives ACA's coverage successThe ACA's Medicaid expansion has been more successful in increasing coverage than the private insurance marketplaces due to its lack of costs for enrollees

      While various cost-saving experiments under the Affordable Care Act (ACA) have shown mixed results, the real coverage success has been the Medicaid expansion. Contrary to initial expectations, a larger number of people have enrolled in Medicaid than in the private insurance marketplaces. This is likely due to Medicaid being a free program with no deductibles, co-payments, or premiums, making it an attractive option for many. Despite the ACA's goal of expanding health insurance coverage, high deductibles and cost-sharing in private plans have left many consumers bearing significant financial burdens. The ACA's popularity remains relatively low, with approval ratings in the mid-fifties. The private and public insurance split in the ACA's implementation did not turn out as evenly distributed as anticipated, with Medicaid enrollment dominating.

    • Medicaid's Success vs. Private Marketplace ChallengesMedicaid's popularity stems from its affordable premiums, while private marketplaces under ACA face high deductibles and cost-sharing, leading to consumer complaints and political challenges.

      While there's no mandate to buy insurance in Medicaid, its success lies in its low or non-existent premiums, leading even some Republican voters to embrace it. Contrarily, private marketplaces under the Affordable Care Act have faced challenges due to high deductibles and cost-sharing, which were implemented to keep costs down but have instead surprised bill framers with higher-than-expected costs for consumers. This cost-sharing problem, where people have to pay a lot to use their health care, has been a significant challenge for the Affordable Care Act, as evidenced by enrollees' complaints about the cost of getting necessary medicine. Despite efforts to keep costs under control, the high deductibles and cost sharing have proven to be a significant political hurdle.

    • Two contentious provisions of the Affordable Care ActThe $1 trillion limit and the individual mandate, once seen as crucial, have faced challenges and have weakened the ACA's foundation, leaving its future uncertain

      The Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, has faced significant challenges due to certain provisions that were seen as necessary at the time but have since proven to be contentious. Two notable examples are the $1 trillion limit on the law and the individual mandate. The former has led to regret among some politicians who feel they gave away too much negotiating power. The individual mandate, which was intended to ensure a balanced risk pool and prevent a death spiral, has effectively been eliminated due to a reduction in the penalty for not having coverage. Economists now believe that the mandate was less potent than initially thought, as people often found it cheaper to pay the penalty than to purchase insurance. The repeal or weakening of these provisions has left the Affordable Care Act with fewer legs to stand on, making its future uncertain.

    • Impact of the Individual Mandate on ACASkepticism about the need for the individual mandate in the ACA, as larger subsidies or Medicaid expansion might have been more effective for enrollment. Confusion about its repeal and potential return under Biden.

      The Affordable Care Act's (ACA) individual mandate, which required Americans to purchase health insurance or face a penalty, has been a subject of controversy and uncertainty. The speaker expressed skepticism about the mandate's current impact, as many people may not even be aware it has been repealed. He also questioned whether the mandate ever truly mattered, suggesting that larger subsidies or a more extensive Medicaid expansion might have been more effective in enrolling people. The research discussed also highlighted the importance of affordable or free health insurance as a key driver for enrollment. With Joe Biden proposing to bring back the mandate, the speaker expressed confusion, given its unpopularity and the ACA's apparent success without it.

    • Joe Biden's Health Care Plan: Building on Obamacare with a Public Option and More Generous SubsidiesBiden's health care plan expands Obamacare with a public option for free in some states and more generous subsidies to make gold plans affordable, covering an additional 5 million uninsured adults.

      Joe Biden's health care plan builds on the Affordable Care Act (ACA), also known as Obamacare, by introducing a public option and increasing subsidies. The public option is a government-run health plan that competes with private insurance and is available for free in states that did not expand Medicaid. This could cover around 5 million uninsured adults. Biden also plans to increase subsidies, which currently make silver plans affordable, and change them to make gold plans affordable instead. Gold plans offer more comprehensive coverage than silver plans, making this a significant improvement. Additionally, Biden's plan includes measures like surprise billing protections and drug pricing negotiations. The key difference from Obamacare is the more generous subsidies and the introduction of a public option.

    • Making Health Insurance More Affordable with a Public OptionThe Biden administration plans to make gold plans more accessible and introduce a public option with Medicare's lower prices, potentially leading to significant savings for consumers and making the public option a dominant player in areas with limited competition.

      The Biden administration aims to make health insurance more affordable for Americans by making gold plans (higher coverage) more accessible, and introducing a public option that can leverage Medicare's lower prices. This could lead to significant savings for consumers, potentially making the public option a dominant player in the insurance market. However, it may face pushback due to the sticky nature of health insurance and the fact that it's a complex, technocratic solution. The public option, which can now attach to Medicare prices, is expected to offer more for less, providing a stronger alternative to private insurance in areas where competition is limited. Despite the potential benefits, the public option's impact might be limited due to people's reluctance to switch from their current insurance plans. Additionally, the marketplaces, where the public option will be available, still serve a relatively small portion of the overall health system, with around 7 to 10 million people buying coverage there each year.

    • The Role and Purpose of Public Options in Healthcare ReformThe Biden administration's approach to the public option in healthcare reform limits it to the individual market, while critics argue for deeper integration to potentially replace employer-sponsored insurance.

      During the discussion on healthcare reform, the debate revolved around the role and purpose of public options and plans. Some argue that these public options should serve as a backstop for those not well-served by the current system, while others aim to create an attractive alternative that could potentially overshadow private insurance. The Biden administration's approach to the public option is to limit it to the individual market and prevent employers from buying into it or using their tax-exempt funds for public insurance. Critics argue that this approach is a missed opportunity to integrate the public option more deeply into the existing system and potentially replace employer-sponsored insurance. The debate highlights the ongoing tension between expanding access to affordable healthcare and preserving the employer-based insurance model.

    • Media companies' decisions impact public option's reachMedia companies' decisions may limit the public option's reach and effectiveness in Biden's healthcare plan, but the proposal could still be passed in his first term through budget reconciliation, focusing on climate change as a priority.

      The public option for healthcare, a key aspect of the Democratic Party's proposed reforms, may not live up to expectations due to decisions made by influential media companies like Vox Media and The New York Times, who cannot afford to participate because it's not cost-effective for them. This limitation could impact the reach and potency of the public option, echoing Biden's past stance on healthcare during the Affordable Care Act debates. Despite this, the speaker believes that Biden's proposed healthcare plan could still be passed in his first term, focusing on climate change as a priority instead, and could be achieved through budget reconciliation without the need for extensive negotiations with opposing interest groups. The public option, while costing money, could be one of the less contentious bills in Biden's first term.

    • Passing Surprise Billing Legislation: An Uphill BattleBipartisan support and White House endorsement may not be enough to pass surprise billing legislation due to strong opposition from healthcare lobbies and a lack of political will.

      The passing of surprise billing legislation in the first few months of the new administration is uncertain due to the strong opposition from healthcare lobbies and the lack of prioritization from key political figures. Despite bipartisan support and White House endorsement, the complex nature of the debate and the polarized political environment make it a challenging issue to tackle. Unlike other progressive reforms, such as the Green New Deal, surprise billing legislation may have more consensus among Democrats and could be passed more quickly if there's a political will to do so. However, if the administration chooses to cater to interest groups instead, no bills will be passed. Overall, the passing of surprise billing legislation is an uphill battle that will require significant effort and compromise.

    • Democrats' determination to pass healthcare billThe success of Biden's healthcare bill depends on Democrats' priority to legislate and eliminating the filibuster, with advocates like Wyden and Pelosi pushing for a public option.

      The passing of President Biden's healthcare bill, including the potential inclusion of a public option, depends on the Democratic Party's decision to prioritize legislative achievements and their willingness to eliminate the filibuster. Senators like Ron Wyden and Nancy Pelosi are strong advocates for healthcare reform and the public option, which could help push the bill forward. However, the absence of a clear champion or the presence of industry opposition could pose challenges. The bill's components, such as surprise billing protections and subsidies, are popular, but the inclusion of a public option remains uncertain due to procedural complexities. Ultimately, the success of the healthcare bill hinges on the Democrats' determination to pass legislation despite potential obstacles.

    • The 'dumbest' legal challenge to the ACA: Texas v. United StatesThe Texas v. United States case, which argues that the individual mandate's repeal renders the entire ACA unconstitutional, faces skepticism due to its tenuous legal merit and potential unintended consequences.

      The ongoing legal challenge to the Affordable Care Act (ACA), known as Texas v. United States, is considered the "dumbest" of the numerous attempts to undermine the law due to its tenuous legal merit. The case, which reached the Supreme Court, argues that since the penalty for not carrying health insurance was zeroed out in a 2017 tax bill, the individual mandate is no longer constitutional and, consequently, the entire ACA must fall. However, experts find this argument questionable, as there is no evidence that the legislative intent was to repeal the entire ACA. Moreover, the ACA continues to function effectively without the mandate. The case received a favorable ruling in the district court but is currently under review at the Supreme Court. Despite its controversial nature, this case could potentially have significant implications for the future of the ACA.

    • Courts strike down ACA mandate but leave rest intactThe ACA's individual mandate was struck down, but the rest of the law remains in effect. The protection of preexisting conditions remains a popular issue, but there's uncertainty over how Trump will uphold it.

      The legal challenge to the Affordable Care Act (ACA), specifically the individual mandate, has resulted in a divided decision, with the courts striking down the mandate but leaving the rest of the ACA intact. The reasoning behind this decision is that Congress's intention was for the law to depend on the mandate. Despite the unpredictability of ACA litigation and the ongoing debate over Trump's proposed healthcare plan, the protection of preexisting conditions remains a popular issue, with Trump publicly promising to uphold it. However, there is no clear evidence that he has a comprehensive plan to do so, as his administration's actions in court have supported lawsuits that could roll back these protections. The state of Republican healthcare policy remains uncertain, as their past attempts to replace the ACA have not been successful.

    • GOP's lack of interest in healthcare legislation amidst COVID-19The GOP's focus on specific health issues and lack of broader push for coverage or ACA reform could lead to challenges if the Supreme Court rules against the ACA, worsening uninsurance rates during the pandemic

      Despite some Republican interest in specific health care issues like surprise billing and drug prices, there's little evidence of a broader push to expand coverage or address the Affordable Care Act (ACA) during this political climate. The GOP's lack of interest in healthcare legislation, combined with the ongoing COVID-19 crisis and high uninsurance rates, could lead to significant challenges if the Supreme Court rules against the ACA. Meanwhile, the health care system has largely kept functioning during the pandemic, though certain areas like pediatrics and mental health face increased strain. The ACA's safety net has helped mitigate the number of uninsured individuals caused by job losses.

    • Highlighting challenges in US healthcare during COVID-19The COVID-19 pandemic exposed the need for a more integrated and coordinated US healthcare system, with a focus on unique patient identifiers, electronic reporting, and equitable access to care.

      The COVID-19 pandemic has highlighted the downsides of having a fragmented healthcare system in the United States. While much attention has been given to the loss of jobs and health insurance, the discussion also revealed the challenges in coordinating care and sharing information among various private and public players. The pandemic exposed the lack of a national system with unique patient identifiers and an electronic reporting system, leading to miscommunications and lost information. Additionally, the debate over the effectiveness of health insurance in improving health outcomes was revisited, with recent studies providing stronger evidence that having health insurance does lead to better health outcomes. Overall, the pandemic has underscored the need for a more integrated and coordinated healthcare system in the U.S. to effectively respond to crises and ensure equitable access to care.

    • Insurance leads to better health outcomesStudies show having insurance leads to improved health and even saves lives, but complex payment reforms like pay-for-quality and comparative effectiveness research have not significantly reduced costs or improved quality as expected.

      There is compelling evidence that having health insurance leads to better health outcomes and even saves lives. This has been shown through various studies, including randomized experiments like the IRS mailing of insurance letters and the Oregon Medicaid study. However, the idea that we can significantly reduce costs and improve quality through complex payment reforms, such as pay-for-quality and comparative effectiveness research, has not panned out as expected. While there are successful case studies, attempts to scale these initiatives have not yielded the same results. Additionally, the cost and complexity of these approaches can be a challenge, making more straightforward price regulation an attractive alternative for controlling healthcare costs.

    • Expanding health insurance not the only solutionAddressing lead exposure, maternal mortality, and pollution reduction can lead to significant health improvements

      While health insurance is important, expanding it may not be the most effective way to improve overall health and wellbeing. Instead, policies addressing issues like lead exposure reduction, maternal mortality, and educational gains from reducing pollution could yield significant health benefits. These solutions may not be easy to implement, but the potential health gains make them worth considering. For example, reducing lead exposure, particularly during early childhood, has a strong evidence base and could lead to substantial health improvements. Similarly, addressing maternal mortality, especially for women of color, could result in significant health gains. Lastly, there is a connection between climate priorities and health priorities, and addressing pollution could lead to both environmental and health benefits. These solutions may not be the easiest to implement, but they hold great promise for improving overall health and wellbeing. As for recommendations, the speaker suggests the "I Want My Hat Back?" trilogy by Jon Klassen for children and encourages adults to read "Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind" by Yuval Noah Harari, "The Sixth Extinction: An Unnatural History" by Elizabeth Kolbert, and "The Uninhabitable Earth: Life After Warming" by David Wallace-Wells.

    • Exploring health policy through historical context and international perspectivesRead 'The Healing of America', 'And the Band Played On', and 'Dreamland' for insights into healthcare systems, federal response to AIDS, and opioid epidemic respectively.

      Importance of understanding the historical context and international perspectives when examining health policy issues. Sarah Kliff recommended three books for gaining insight into different aspects of health policy: "The Healing of America" by TR Reid for an overview of various healthcare systems, "And the Band Played On" by Randy Shilts for a compelling narrative on the federal response to the AIDS epidemic, and "Dreamland" by Sam Quinones for an in-depth look into the opioid epidemic. These books offer valuable insights into the complexities of health policy and the consequences of inadequate responses to public health crises.

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