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    Susan Glasser: Trump 2024 Is Scarier than Trump 2020

    en-usMarch 20, 2023

    Podcast Summary

    • Trump's Influence on GOP Remains Strong Despite Potential IndictmentTrump's divisive tactics continue to shape the Republican Party, with little pushback from fellow Republicans, making him a significant force despite potential legal consequences.

      Despite the uncertainty surrounding a potential indictment of former President Donald Trump, his influence over the Republican Party remains strong. Trump's actions and rhetoric over the weekend showed that he is playing from the same divisive playbook as before, and there has been little pushback from his fellow Republicans. The capacity for hope over experience in politics has kept the idea that Trump is no longer a front runner for the nomination a popular projection, but in reality, he remains a significant force in the Republican Party, with fewer constraints than before. This dynamic was evident in the lack of pushback from the GOP against Trump.

    • Republicans stand by Trump despite legal troublesMany Republicans continue to support Trump despite legal issues, fearing alienation of his base. DeSantis may face challenges aligning with Trump on this issue, while McCarthy calls for congressional investigations against the prosecutor.

      Despite the ongoing legal troubles facing former President Trump, many Republicans continue to stand by him, with some even going as far as condemning potential charges before they have been formally presented. This trend, which has been observed throughout Trump's presidency, is due in part to his stronghold on the Republican base and the fear of alienating his supporters. Ron DeSantis, a potential 2024 contender, may face a tougher challenge in aligning himself with Trump on this issue, as his campaign is built on being Trump without the legal issues. Kevin McCarthy's immediate call for congressional investigations against the prosecutor marks a new level of political retaliation, reflecting the deep loyalty of many Republicans to Trump and their willingness to support him regardless of the circumstances.

    • Trump's potential return to presidency poses a greater threat due to past experience, survival of impeachments, and lack of perceived institutional constraints.Trump's past experience, survival of impeachments, and lack of perceived institutional constraints make his potential return to presidency a significant threat to American democracy.

      The potential return of Donald Trump to the presidency in 2024 poses a greater threat to American democracy than his previous bids due to his previous experience, survival of impeachments, and the lack of perceived institutional constraints. Trump, who has already probed the weaknesses of institutions and individuals during his first term, is now surrounded by a different group of people who amplify his views rather than acting as guardrails. He has survived impeachments and the Republican Party's refusal to disavow him despite his attempts to overturn a lawful election. With the potential of being indicted and possibly beating the rap, Trump is coming back to power without any perceived institutional constraints. Additionally, Trump's rhetoric has become more doomsday laden, apocalyptic, and openly confrontational as he openly embraces white supremacists and QAnon supporters. Trump's efforts to delegitimize the justice system and rewrite history are part of a long-term process to change what is considered acceptable norm.

    • Delay in Trump accountability fuels discontentThe delay in holding Trump accountable for his actions, particularly the January 6th insurrection, has contributed to a growing discontent with American institutions, potentially diminishing the impact of future charges.

      The delay in holding former President Trump accountable for his actions, particularly regarding the January 6th insurrection, has led to a growing sense of dismay and outrage, fueling opposition against him. However, the upcoming indictment in New York over a $130,000 hush money payment to a porn star actress may not provide the transformative accountability moment people have been hoping for, as it pales in comparison to the gravity of other potential charges. The timing and strength of this case have raised questions, and it remains to be seen if new evidence has been uncovered. Regardless, the failure to hold Trump accountable in real time has contributed to a general discontent with American institutions, a feeling shared by both the left and right.

    • Former President Trump's 2023 CPAC Speech: A Call for War Against American InstitutionsTrump's 2023 CPAC speech revealed a more divisive and violent rhetoric, calling for war against American institutions and labeling political opponents as enemies.

      During his speech at CPAC in 2023, former President Donald Trump openly declared his intention to go to war against American institutions if he returns to power. His campaign platform now centers around retribution and termination, suggesting a more apocalyptic and divisive Trump than before. He has labeled his political opponents as enemies and even accused Americans in the deep state of being the real enemy. This rhetoric, which recalls the language of purges and the us-versus-them mentality, seems to be an explicit call for violence. Despite being out of office and under investigation for his role in the January 6th Capitol riots, Trump continues to amplify his outrageous claims, daring federal prosecutors to take action. This is a chilling reality that echoes historical patterns of division and conflict.

    • Former VP Pence's ambiguous stance on Trump's role in Capitol insurrectionDespite criticism, Pence showed forgiveness towards Trump and focused on moving forward, leaving it to Americans to decide if Trump should be commander in chief again.

      Mike Pence, the former vice president, faced harsh criticism for not being more vocal about Donald Trump's actions during the Capitol insurrection. Despite giving a speech with harsh words about the incident, Pence refused to push hard on Trump during a recent interview, instead downplaying the situation as a politically motivated prosecution. When asked about Trump's justification of the mob's chants and his role in the events of that day, Pence expressed anger but also forgiveness and a focus on moving forward. Whether this ambiguous stance disqualifies Trump from being commander in chief again is a judgment for the American people to make. Pence's response highlights the complexity of the situation and the challenges of navigating the political landscape in the aftermath of a divisive event.

    • Political loyalty and ambition in the context of Ron DeSantis' potential challenge to Donald TrumpRon DeSantis' lack of charisma and untested status at the national level could be disadvantages in his potential challenge to Donald Trump for the Republican Party nomination, while Trump's criticism of DeSantis' reliance on his support adds to the political dynamics.

      The dynamics of political loyalty and ambition were on full display during the discussion of Ron DeSantis' potential challenge to Donald Trump for the Republican Party nomination. DeSantis, who rose to prominence as a Trump-like figure, is now seen as the great non-Trump hope for some in the GOP. However, his lack of charisma and untested status at the national level could be disadvantages. Trump, who made DeSantis a political force in Florida, has criticized him for this reliance on his support. The discussion also touched on the anniversary of the Iraq War and the lingering impact of that conflict on American politics. The war resulted in a tragic loss of life and disruption for the Iraqi people, and its legacy continues to resonate in the context of other crises, such as the banking crisis. Overall, the conversation highlighted the complex interplay of political ambition, loyalty, and legacy.

    • The Iraq War's Lasting Impact on US Politics and Foreign PolicyThe Iraq War left a lasting impact on US politics, with a transformed Republican Party and a growing divide between major parties on foreign policy, particularly regarding Ukraine.

      The Iraq War, marked by the brutality of Saddam Hussein's regime and the political fallout, has significantly impacted the United States' political system and foreign policy debates. This war, which aimed to export democracy to the Middle East, has left a lasting legacy, comparable to the impact of Vietnam. The Republican Party, which once embraced militarism, has undergone a transformation, with a growing pro-Putin wing that contrasts starkly with the party's previous stance on Russia. The war's aftermath has also led to a pronounced gap between the two major parties regarding the United States' support for Ukraine. The hangover from Iraq has shattered American confidence, distracted the nation from other geopolitical challenges, and broken the Republican commitment to a robust foreign policy. Despite the controversies and the ongoing debates, former President George W. Bush still believes that invading Iraq was the right decision.

    • Republican Party's stance on Ukraine: Isolationist vs InternationalistThe Republican Party's stance on foreign policy towards Ukraine is divided between isolationist and internationalist views, with Trump and DeSantis leading the charge against American support. Bush defends his decisions, indicating a possible shift towards isolationism, but the electorate's opinions are more nuanced.

      The Republican Party's stance on foreign policy, particularly towards Ukraine, is currently divided between isolationist and internationalist views, with Trump and DeSantis leading the charge against American support for the war in Ukraine, despite a significant portion of the Republican electorate not entirely sold on this extreme position. Former President George W. Bush, who was criticized for his handling of the Iraq War, has reportedly defended his decisions and remains unrepentant. This debate within the party may indicate a possible shift towards isolationism for the next decade, but the electorate's opinions are more nuanced than the current extremes suggest. The fear is that minorities within the parties can dominate and lead the parties in extreme directions, which could have larger implications for the country.

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