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    The creator of Fargo is done with good guys vs. bad guys

    enJanuary 30, 2023

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    • Understanding the world through stories and servicesExploring stories and financial services can provide insights into society and its values, revealing the complexities of reality

      Stories have the power to reflect and shape our understanding of the world around us. Wise, a financial service, helps manage money in different currencies and eliminates the need for physical currency exchanges, offering real-time exchange rates with no hidden fees. Meanwhile, the Capital Ideas podcast offers insights from investment professionals. The reluctant hero narrative, as seen in the film High Noon, is a powerful story in American culture, but real-life justice rarely resembles such a clear-cut good vs. evil scenario. In his book "It's High Noon in America," director Noah Holland argues that popular stories, including those about the reluctant hero, can reveal much about our society and its values. In his novel "Anthem," Holland explores the complexities of a broken world, reflecting the challenges of making sense of the present moment. Whether through financial services or storytelling, understanding the nuances of our world requires a willingness to engage with the complexities of reality.

    • A thought-provoking adventure blurring fantasy and realityUnderstanding the world as it is, beyond political labels, is crucial for the next generation

      The author used a unique narrative approach in his book, drawing inspiration from Kurt Vonnegut's "Slaughterhouse 5," to explore the complexities of the current world and the challenges of navigating reality in a politically divided society. By deliberately avoiding political labels and instead using descriptive language, he emphasized the importance of understanding issues beyond party affiliations. Furthermore, the perspective of teenagers in the story reflects the author's concern about preparing the next generation for a world where reality is debated and where they will inherit the consequences of current actions. The book thus becomes a thought-provoking adventure that blurs the lines between fantasy and reality. Ultimately, it's a call to recognize the importance of understanding the world as it is, rather than through the lens of political labels.

    • The tragedy of miscommunication and disillusionmentIn a world of differing beliefs, we need stories that resonate and promote understanding and empathy to avoid destructive misunderstandings and violence.

      We are living in a time of disillusionment and miscommunication, as evidenced by the Pizzagate incident and the current political climate. People are becoming trapped in their own versions of reality, unable to admit the truth or understand the perspectives of others. This lack of communication leads to misunderstandings, trauma, and even violence. We need new stories that can resonate with people despite their differing beliefs, but it's important to remember that we're not dealing with villains, but rather people who have different ways of looking at the world. The tragedy lies in the avoidable destruction that results from this inability to communicate and admit the truth. It's essential to recognize that we're all trying to make sense of the world in our own way and that finding common ground requires understanding and empathy.

    • The clear path to avoiding tragedy in life is a mythAmerica is at a pivotal point, and the outcome is uncertain, as people often choose to go in the tragic direction, making it essential to identify with good characters who may make immoral choices, and simplify managing money with Wise or reduce wireless bills with Mint Mobile.

      According to Noah Hawley, the path to avoiding tragedy in life is clear, but people often choose to go in the tragic direction. Hawley believes that America is at a pivotal point, a "high noon" where elements are colliding and the outcome is uncertain. This idea of a clear-cut good versus evil resolution is a myth, and the appeal of the reluctant hero myth lies in the fact that it allows people to identify with good characters who may make immoral choices. Wise and Mint Mobile were also discussed as solutions to simplify managing money in different currencies and reducing wireless bills, respectively.

    • Two different visions of human nature and political virtue in TV shows'The Walking Dead' portrays a world where neighbors may turn into enemies, while 'Game of Thrones' depicts people competing for power but ultimately coming together against larger threats. These shows have different appeals and potential impacts on our political worldviews.

      The popular TV shows "The Walking Dead" and "Game of Thrones" offer different visions of human nature and political virtue, with "The Walking Dead" emphasizing the idea that when society breaks down, neighbors may become enemies, and "Game of Thrones" depicting a world where people compete for power but ultimately come together to face larger threats. These shows have resonated with different segments of the population, with "The Walking Dead" being more popular in rural areas and the South, and "Game of Thrones" appealing to coastal elites. While some find the idea of a dog-eat-dog world appealing, others see it as a dangerous myth that could bring out the worst in people. It's important to be aware of these competing visions and the potential influence they can have on our political worldviews.

    • TV shows reflect and shape societal valuesPopular TV shows like The Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, and Yellowstone reflect and reinforce societal divisions and values through contrasting myths and ideologies, offering nuanced perspectives on human nature and American values.

      The popularity of certain TV shows, such as The Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, and Yellowstone, can reflect and even reinforce societal divisions and values. For instance, shows like The Walking Dead and Game of Thrones, despite some overlapping themes, can represent contrasting myths and ideologies, with the former promoting a liberal myth of unity and the latter presenting a more individualistic and violent vision of power. On the other hand, shows like Fargo challenge these simplistic dichotomies by blurring the lines between good and evil and questioning the glorification of violence. Ultimately, these shows not only entertain but also reflect and shape our cultural narratives and values. For example, Yellowstone's portrayal of a rancher as the best steward of the land, despite his violent methods, can be seen as a commentary on the American values of individual ownership and the protection of property. Meanwhile, Fargo's exploration of decency versus evil in the face of adversity offers a more nuanced and complex perspective on human nature.

    • The Political Climate: Passion or Peril?The internet can radicalize young men, blurring the line between philosophy and violence, requiring proactive measures to channel their energy towards positive change

      The current political climate, particularly in education, is far from passive as people are deeply invested in protecting their children, even if their beliefs may seem irrational or harmful to others. The internet has amplified the spread of extreme ideas, blurring the line between fantasy and reality, and leading some individuals to violence. Young men, in particular, are being radicalized in the closed information loop of the internet, leading some on a dangerous path from philosophical musings to carnage. The challenge lies in finding meaningful ways for young people to channel their passion and energy towards positive change.

    • Co-opting Language and Ideas: Dangerous Consequences for Young MenYoung men are susceptible to co-opting language and ideas, leading to confusion and dangerous situations, especially when combined with delusion and resentment. Society must provide healthy ways for young men to express masculinity and find productive outlets for their energy.

      Language and ideas can be co-opted, and this has been seen in the shift from the "My Body, My Choice" slogan being used for reproductive rights to being used for vaccine mandates. This inversion of meaning can lead to confusion and dangerous situations, especially when it comes to young men who may be seeking a sense of power and purpose. Nietzsche's philosophy, which can seem appealing to young men due to its subversive nature, can be particularly dangerous when combined with delusion and resentment. Society must provide healthy ways for young men to express masculinity and find productive outlets for their energy, or else face the consequences of their actions. The complexity of these issues requires careful consideration and an awareness of the potential for violence and harm.

    • Exploring the complexities of justice in Fargo's fifth seasonThe fifth season of Fargo delves into the complexities of justice, emphasizing the importance of a collective system and moving beyond the romanticized hero narrative

      The current societal discourse around culpability and justice is complex and contentious. People are resistant to acknowledging their own potential blame or the validity of uncomfortable truths. The idea of a collective justice system, where everyone works together, is being championed as a more realistic and effective approach. In the upcoming fifth season of Fargo, this vision of justice will be explored through stories that highlight the importance of the system itself, rather than relying on the romanticized notion of a reluctant hero. This shift reflects a hope that society can adhere to its principles, even in the face of challenges and complications. Ultimately, the goal is to create a nuanced understanding of justice, acknowledging that it is a complex issue with no easy answers.

    • Belief in self-reliance and vigilante justice fuels conflict with the lawThe belief in self-reliance and vigilante justice, perpetuated by the perception of a violent world, can create a self-fulfilling prophecy of conflict with the law and hinder the ability to find shared reality or unifying stories.

      The belief in self-reliance and vigilante justice, fueled by the perception that the world is an inherently violent place, can lead to a self-fulfilling prophecy of conflict with the law. This belief, held by a significant portion of society, contributes to the ongoing culture war and the inability to find shared reality or unifying stories. The shift in the definition of values, such as Christianity, to align with this belief system, further perpetuates this divide. The lack of agreement on objective truth and shared values creates a challenging environment for storytelling and finding common ground.

    • Engaging with religious beliefs in storytellingAcknowledging and exploring religious themes in storytelling can help connect with a larger audience, but relevance and interpretation depend on context and time.

      Storytelling, especially in today's world, must acknowledge and engage with the religious beliefs and values of the majority of the population. Noah Hawley, the author and showrunner, believes that we live on a religious planet, and ignoring religion in stories may exclude a significant portion of the audience. However, the relevance and interpretation of religious themes can depend on the context and the time in which the stories are consumed. As Hawley mentioned, the prayer at the dinner table might seem outdated, but it's essential to understand that people are always projecting their perspectives onto the stories they encounter. With everything in flux, it's crucial to have a grounding point, and for many, that point is their faith. Hawley's new novel, Anthem, and his work on Fargo and the upcoming Alien series, demonstrate his ability to explore complex themes and resonate with diverse audiences.

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