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    The original meaning of “identity politics” (with Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor)

    enAugust 22, 2019

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    • Introduction to Identity Politics and the Combahee River CollectiveIdentity politics shapes actions based on unique experiences of oppression, introduced by Combahee River Collective for black women in political movements.

      The concepts of identity politics and the importance of understanding unique experiences of marginalized groups were first introduced in the Combahee River Collective's statement in 1977. Identity politics is not exclusive to certain identities but shapes the political ideas and actions of individuals and groups based on their experiences of oppression. The Combahee River Collective, composed of three black women, sought to highlight the specific experiences of black women in political movements dominated by white-led organizations. Mercury and Wise offer solutions to simplify complex financial processes for businesses and individuals managing money in different currencies. Both companies aim to provide precision, control, and ease in financial transactions.

    • The evolution of identity politics from inclusion to exclusionIdentity politics began as a means for marginalized groups to understand their unique struggles, but shifted to a divisive concept emphasizing the uniqueness of their oppression, potentially excluding those without similar experiences.

      Identity politics, which began as a framework for understanding and addressing the unique experiences and struggles of marginalized groups, particularly black women during the late 1960s, evolved into a more exclusive and divisive concept in the 1980s. As the political landscape shifted, identity politics became a way for groups to differentiate themselves and explain their social reality, often in a way that emphasized the uniqueness of their oppression and excluded those without similar experiences. This shift was influenced by the changing political context, including a retreat from political egalitarianism and a sense of estrangement and political isolation for marginalized groups. While identity politics still holds universal relevance, it's important to remember its origins and the potential pitfalls of an overly exclusive interpretation. Instead, a politics of solidarity and understanding across different identities can lead to more effective and inclusive activism.

    • Emergence of Pessimistic Identity Politics in the 1980sThe 1980s marked a shift towards pessimistic identity politics as a response to the changing political landscape, but it can also limit inclusivity and be seen as a narrow approach.

      The 1980s marked a significant shift in the political landscape, leading to a pessimistic use of identity politics as a response. This change was amplified by the feeling that there was no alternative to the new social reality, and that market-dominated, racist societies were the best we had to offer. This theory suggests that identity politics emerged as a way for marginalized groups to make their politics interoperable within the changed circumstances of organizing and activism. However, it's important to note that identity politics can also be seen as a narrow and particularistic approach, while universalistic politics are inclusive and open to all. Despite the backlash against identity politics, there was still hope and optimism during the civil rights and black power movements of the 1960s and 1970s. However, by the end of the 1980s, this hope and belief in the possibility of changing society had been largely crushed through a weaponization of identity, as seen in the creation and popularization of derogatory stereotypes like the "welfare queen."

    • The 1980s: A Decade of Disillusionment and BacklashThe 1980s marked a shift towards individualism and away from coalitional politics, fueled by the perception of a black underclass and the defection of ordinary white people from the Democratic Party. Deeper roots of social change and the importance of collective action were lessons learned from this period.

      The 1980s marked a significant shift in American politics, as the hope for collective and social change through coalitional politics began to fade. This was due to the amplification of the notion of a black underclass during the war on drugs, which led to a sense of isolation and marginality among marginalized groups. At the same time, many ordinary white people defected from the Democratic Party, cutting off hope for a different kind of society. This was a reaction to the increasingly suffocating racist society and the state's racism, and it signaled a revanchist backlash that overwhelmed the feeling of possibility from the 1960s. The roots of this shift were deeper than just the 1980s, as the enormous sympathy generated by the black movement in the 1960s dispelled the belief in black inferiority, making it harder to characterize marginalized people as biologically or culturally inferior. The lessons from this period include recognizing the deeper roots of social and political change and the importance of collective action in the face of adversity.

    • Demonization of African Americans as irresponsible began in 1970sThe demonization of African Americans as irresponsible and reliant on welfare started in the 1970s as a political strategy to undermine respect and push for inclusion. It aligns with beliefs in social mobility and denial of classes, making it easier to blame individual failures than systemic issues.

      The demonization of African Americans as personally irresponsible and reliant on welfare began in the 1970s as a political strategy to undermine the notion of respect for African Americans and fracture the push for inclusion in US society. This was part of an effort to divest the country from the Johnson welfare state. The effectiveness of this strategy lies in its alignment with common American beliefs in social mobility and the denial of classes, making it easier for people to blame individual failures rather than systemic issues. This narrative has been reinforced over generations and became even more powerful during economic downturns, as people found it easier to blame individual failure than systemic issues. The only way to counteract this narrative is through mass political struggle, as seen in the 1930s and 1960s.

    • Narrative about progress and poverty in US is one-sided, leading to lack of investment in programs and policiesOne-sided narratives about progress and poverty in the US result in underinvestment in programs, leading to growing poverty and unemployment, particularly in African American communities. Instead, there's a reliance on policing as a public policy of last resort, which has detrimental impacts on society and requires a broader restructuring for true progress.

      The dominant narrative about progress and poverty in the United States is often one-sided and can be influenced by constant exposure to certain ideas. This can lead to a lack of investment in programs and policies to address social issues, resulting in growing rates of poverty and unemployment, particularly in African American communities. Instead, there is a reliance on policing as a public policy of last resort. This is evident in the closing of public schools and shrinking of the public sector in areas like education and healthcare. The impact of these decisions has been detrimental, leading to social crises and a larger role for the private sector. To truly address issues of violence and inequality, a broader restructuring of society is necessary. This argument is explored in Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor's book, "From Black Lives Matter to Black Liberation."

    • Historical Institutional Deficits and Black CommunitiesCapitalism's reliance on black oppression perpetuates unfavorable conditions for black communities, hindering true freedom and liberation.

      The persistence of institutional deficits in education and infrastructure, coupled with high spending on policing and mass incarceration, has led to unfavorable conditions for black communities in the US. The author argues that capitalism is contingent on the absence of freedom and liberation for black people, as symbolized by the murder of Freddie Gray, which occurred almost 150 years after the end of the Civil War. Despite progress towards institutional power for black people, such as mayors, police chiefs, and city council members, they have not been able to prevent instances of police brutality. The author questions whether true freedom, where decisions are based on what is best for individuals and their families, is possible in a capitalist society where economic and physical coercion are prevalent. The author's argument is based on the historical context of black experiences in America from emancipation to the present day.

    • Historical relationship between African Americans and capitalismCapitalism's historical roots in black oppression perpetuates inequality and division, allowing the wealthy to retain power and resources at the expense of the marginalized.

      The historical relationship between African Americans and capitalism in the United States has contributed to a system that perpetuates inequality and exacerbates differences among groups. This relationship, rooted in the entry of black people into the country as property, has been a significant factor in the political and economic struggles faced by African Americans. The concentration of wealth in the hands of a few under capitalism creates an environment where the 1% retains dominance over the 99% through division and the looting of resources from the bottom to the top. Trump's racist rhetoric and attacks on marginalized communities are not coincidental but rather part of a deliberate effort to harness fear and resentment while redistributing wealth to the powerful. The amplification of these destructive processes through capitalism can lead to an increased potential for human destruction. Ultimately, it's crucial to recognize that while division and demonization have existed throughout history, the profit motive under capitalism can accelerate and intensify these destructive tendencies.

    • The Complexity of Eliminating Division and CompetitionHuman nature easily pulls up differences, leading to division and competition within society. Despite efforts to bring people together and address inequality, a definitive solution remains elusive.

      The 1% identity, whether liberal or conservative, can lead to division and competition within society. Despite the dream of finding a context where people see their commonalities and work together, human nature seems to easily pull up differences. Throughout history, societies have tried to address these issues through various means, from nations bringing people together to movements like Black Lives Matter and Occupy. However, there's no definitive solution to eliminating the desire to compete and blame. Even with reforms like universal healthcare and free college, there's potential for positive change, but the fundamental question of how to organize society to produce a different outcome remains unanswered. Ultimately, it's essential to recognize that the 1%'s expression of power and domination can take various forms, and a more equitable society could lead to better lives for millions. Yet, the idea of having those who create wealth and resources in charge of their distribution is a complex concept with unknown consequences.

    • Wealth gap between Congress members and racial/ethnic groups raises questions about representation and governanceThe wealth disparity between those in power and the median income of various racial/ethnic groups creates questions about representation and governance. The rise of democratic socialist candidates and left-leaning policies in the Democratic Party indicate dissatisfaction with the status quo, but may also lead to backlash politics.

      There is a significant wealth gap between the average wealth of Congress members and the median income of various racial and ethnic groups in the US. This disparity between those in power and the lived experiences of the majority raises questions about representation and governance. The rise of a leading democratic socialist candidate, Sanders, is seen as an unprecedented development, indicating dissatisfaction with the current political status quo. The emergence of movements like Black Lives Matter and the shift towards more left-leaning policies in the Democratic Party are seen as forces that create counter-reactions and backlash politics. The outcome of these dynamics remains uncertain, as it is unclear whether these movements will be able to overcome the backlash they create or if the backlash will overwhelm them. The Obama presidency, with the rise of Black Lives Matter and the subsequent election of Donald Trump, serves as an example of this phenomenon.

    • Disappointment and Caution after Obama's TenureObama's inability to deliver on progressive policies and insensitive comments towards marginalized communities led to a sense of betrayal and caution among young black Americans and the Democratic base, hindering political change.

      The lack of follow-through on promised changes during President Obama's tenure, particularly regarding healthcare and economic recovery, created a sense of caution and disappointment for many people, especially young black Americans. The prioritization of bipartisanship and appeasement of Republicans over progressive policies led to a perceived betrayal of the Democratic base, compounded by insensitive comments about marginalized communities. The result was a backlash against political change and a sense that systemic progress is difficult to achieve in American politics. This dynamic, rooted in both political realities and actual events, continues to shape discussions around political change and its potential consequences.

    • The inability of political leaders to address crises leads to radicalizationDuring times of crisis, failure of political leaders to deliver substantive change can fuel anger and radicalization, leading to the rise of extremist political figures.

      The failure of political leaders to deliver substantive change during times of crisis can lead to radicalization and the rise of extremist political figures. This was evident during the Obama administration, where the inability to fully address issues like the economic crisis, police shootings, and healthcare led to widespread dissatisfaction and the emergence of Donald Trump. The experience of these issues, rather than the logic behind them, is what fuels the anger and radicalization. While some argue that actions like the bank bailouts were necessary to prevent greater misery, others believe that more populist solutions could have been implemented. Regardless, the lack of progress and the perception that the status quo was being maintained led to a backlash on both the right and the left.

    • Institutional constraints limit political change in AmericaUnderstanding the need for grassroots movements and mass pressure is crucial for real political change in America, as institutional constraints and divided politics make it a complex process.

      While the desire for significant political change is strong, the institutional constraints of American politics make it a complex and challenging process. As observed, even presidents with substantial support and power, like Barack Obama, faced limitations in implementing far-left policies due to the political system's structure. The filibuster and divided Congress pose significant hurdles for any president, and the belief that pushing harder and faster will yield different results is misguided. Instead, understanding the need for a grassroots movement and mass pressure to create real change is crucial. Social movements don't win solely based on merit; they require sustained organization and mobilization. The financial crisis and Black Lives Matter movements are examples of substantive policy shifts that coincided with massive social upheaval. Without this external pressure, it is unrealistic to expect substantial change in the country.

    • Clash between social movements and politicsDespite opportunities for progressive policies, the political process can be challenging for social movements due to compromises and a generally right-leaning system. Grassroots efforts and unity among movements are crucial to creating pressure for change.

      Social movements and politics can sometimes clash, particularly during times of economic crisis or significant policy changes. The example given was the Affordable Care Act, where the movement for universal health care felt betrayed when compromises were made to secure political support. This dynamic can make it challenging for social movements to achieve their goals through the political process, especially in a system that is generally right-leaning. The 2020 election presented a significant opportunity to begin building forces for progressive policies like public health care and college education, but without a strong grassroots component, it may be difficult to overcome opposition from both parties. The climate justice and immigrant rights movements are examples of constituent elements that are currently present but need to grow and unite to create the necessary pressure for meaningful change.

    • The importance of continuing the conversation about healthcare reformExplore influential books like 'Black Reconstruction', 'The Collected Works of John Weiners', and 'Women, Race and Class' to deepen understanding of social issues and potential solutions.

      While there are elements of a potential social movement for significant healthcare reform in the United States, it has yet to coalesce into a substantial force capable of creating pressure for change. The speaker, Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor, emphasizes the importance of continuing the discussion about how to make that happen, regardless of the outcome of the election. She also recommends three books that have influenced her: "Black Reconstruction" by W.E.B. Du Bois, "The Collected Works of John Weiners," and "Women, Race and Class" by Angela Davis. The first two books resonated with her personally and shaped her interest in urban life and poetry. The third book provided a sophisticated understanding of women's oppression as an expression of class inequality, specifically for black women. Taylor encourages listeners to engage in these important discussions and consider these texts as valuable resources.

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    SPONSORED BY: BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://betterhelp.com/trigger/ - get 10% off your first month, and get on your way to being your best self.  Martin Gurri is a former CIA analyst who writes about the relationship between politics and media. He served at the Director of National Intelligence Open Source Center in various senior positions, including director of research. He is the author of 'The Revolt of the Public and the Crisis of Authority in the New Millennium'. Join our exclusive TRIGGERnometry community on Locals! https://triggernometry.locals.com/ OR Support TRIGGERnometry Here: https://www.subscribestar.com/triggernometry https://www.patreon.com/triggerpod Bitcoin: bc1qm6vvhduc6s3rvy8u76sllmrfpynfv94qw8p8d5 Music by: Music by: Xentric | info@xentricapc.com | https://www.xentricapc.com/ YouTube:  @xentricapc   Buy Merch Here: https://www.triggerpod.co.uk/shop/ Advertise on TRIGGERnometry: marketing@triggerpod.co.uk Join the Mailing List: https://www.triggerpod.co.uk/sign-up/ Find TRIGGERnometry on Social Media:  https://twitter.com/triggerpod https://www.facebook.com/triggerpod/ https://www.instagram.com/triggerpod/ About TRIGGERnometry:  Stand-up comedians Konstantin Kisin (@konstantinkisin) and Francis Foster (@francisjfoster) make sense of politics, economics, free speech, AI, drug policy and WW3 with the help of presidential advisors, renowned economists, award-winning journalists, controversial writers, leading scientists and notorious comedians. 00:00 Intro  01:19 Martin Gurri’s Background 05:53 Society’s Distrust in Elites 11:00 The Problems with Our Institutions 14:15 How Long Can the Elites Hold on to their Power? 16:50 Is a Revolution Coming? 20:53 Sponsor Message: ExpressVPN 22:41 The War on Truth 30:02 Living in a Post-Truth Society 32:31 How Do We Fix the Incentivisation of Conflict? 36:08 How to Individually Contribute to Making a Better World 41:09 *Join the TRIGGERnometry Community on Locals* 42:09 Can Our Institutions Be Saved? 46:09 The Role Technology Will Play in the Future 50:30 Is the West Making Itself More Vulnerable? 55:22 What’s the One Thing We’re Not Talking About? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices