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    The Profound Upside of Self-Diminishment | George Saunders

    enMarch 22, 2021

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    • Exploring the connection between the brain and the mind during key activitiesUnderstanding the neurological aspects of creating art, meditating, and facing death could lead to a more comprehensive understanding of life and potential benefits for happiness and personal growth.

      According to George Saunders, understanding the connection between the brain and the mind during key activities like creating art, meditating, and even facing death, could hold significant value. Saunders, a practicing Buddhist and author of "Lincoln in the Bardo," which won the 2017 Man Booker Prize, shared insights from his perspective. He believes that exploring the neurological aspects of these experiences could provide a more comprehensive understanding of life and even offer potential benefits for happiness and personal growth. Saunders also touched upon the idea of self-diminishment and the profound upside it holds. Listeners are encouraged to join the online summit "Love and Resilience, the Contemplative Care Summit" for more insights on these topics.

    • Embracing challenges for joy and fulfillmentRecognizing temporary emotions and staying patient with the process can lead to greater joy and fulfillment in life.

      Finding ways to engage in activities that bring us joy and fulfillment, despite the challenges and frustrations, can contribute to living a happier life. The speaker, for instance, finds happiness in writing and meditation, but acknowledges the struggle and self-doubt that often comes with these pursuits. He suggests that recognizing these emotions as temporary and part of the process can help us stay patient and persistent, ultimately leading to greater satisfaction and enjoyment. This idea is not new, as many people throughout history have reported similar experiences. The speaker also highlights the importance of having a clear understanding of one's process and being patient with the ups and downs that come with it. In essence, the key takeaway is that embracing the challenges and finding joy in the process can lead to a more fulfilling and happier life.

    • Writing and meditation share focus and quieting of the mindWriting and meditation require focus, quieting the mind, and trusting the process. Writing involves making decisions based on feelings, not analysis.

      Writing and meditation share similarities in the sense that they both require a high level of focus and the quieting of the "monkey mind." This is achieved by pushing distracting thoughts aside and trusting the process, rather than engaging in self-criticism or analysis. The writing process involves making decisions based on gut instincts and feelings, rather than analytical or conceptual thinking. This state of mind allows for a gentle and humorous approach towards the various voices and thoughts that arise during the writing process, rather than despising or celebrating them. Ultimately, writing serves as a reminder that the self is not permanent or fixed, but rather a collection of temporary thoughts and feelings that come and go.

    • Exploring character motivations and experiencesEmpathizing with characters in fiction writing deepens our understanding of people and improves our relationships in real life.

      Writing fiction requires a deep level of empathy and understanding for characters, even if they are vastly different from ourselves. This empathy is not just an emotional connection, but also a mechanical one, where we put ourselves in the character's shoes and explore their motivations and experiences in detail. By doing so, we not only create more nuanced and believable characters, but also gain a greater appreciation for the complexity and reality of all people, including those we encounter in our daily lives. The writing process itself becomes a practice in increased attention and love for others, which can have a positive impact on our relationships and our ability to understand and connect with people in the real world.

    • Bringing Characters to Clarity and Equality in Fiction and Fostering EmpathyMeditation offers a unique way to change the mind and live a richer life, revealing the mind's variability and potential for growth through dedicated practice.

      The process of writing fiction involves bringing vague or dismissible characters to clarity and equality, fostering empathy in readers. Meditation, on the other hand, offers a unique way to change the mind and live a richer life. The speaker's personal experience with Ningma Buddhism has led her to realize the mind's variability and the potential for growth through dedicated practice. The practice has helped her become more patient, kind, and aware of her defensive tendencies, ultimately revealing that these traits were not inherent to her true self.

    • Notice your mind's tendency to take a negative path and learn to pause and consider other optionsWe can work to be more often in the second condition, where we feel free and generous, despite the ego's stubbornness. Practices like meditation and writing are effective tools for realizing these ideas in our bodies.

      The mind is trainable and we're not bound by our mental habits and conditioning. The speaker shares how he noticed the tendency of his mind to take a negative path and how he learned to pause and consider other options. He emphasizes that we don't have to be owned by our thoughts and that there's a continuum between our best and worst moments. The good news is that we can work to be more often in the second condition, where we feel free and generous. However, the ego can be stubborn, and it's important to keep in mind that practices like meditation are more powerful for realizing these ideas in our bodies rather than just in our heads. The speaker encourages using writing as part of the overall practice, but as we get older, we may want to shift the balance in favor of meditation.

    • Balancing Life's Complexities with MeditationAvoid neglecting real life for meditation, juggle multiple passions and responsibilities, embrace imperfections, and maintain a sustainable balance.

      Life is a complex mix of various passions and commitments, and finding the right balance among them is a continuous process. Meditation, as part of an eightfold path, can be seen as a form of service or pleasure, but it's essential to be aware of potential pitfalls, such as neglecting real life for the fictional world. The pursuit of autopilot and a single-minded dedication to one thing may provide temporary relief, but it's not sustainable in the long run. Life requires juggling multiple aspects, and the virtue lies in the acuity with which we manage the mix. Writing and practice are intense passions, but family and other responsibilities also demand attention. Perfection is not the goal, and embracing the imperfections and blunders along the way is a part of the journey.

    • Harnessing negative motivations for creativityTransform negative self-perceptions and desires for attention into positive fuel for creative work. Acknowledge, reframe, and channel these motivations into art.

      Our motivations, even if they stem from negative self-perceptions or a desire for attention, can be harnessed and transformed into positive fuel for creative work. The speaker suggests that rather than suppressing these motivations, we should acknowledge and use them to our advantage. This can involve reframing our perspective, extracting the positive energy, and channeling it into our art. The speaker also touches upon the human tendency to feel like the center of the universe in our youth, but as we grow and face challenges, we learn that we're not as important as we once thought. Public life and accolades can then serve as reminders of our importance, but it's essential to keep this in perspective and not let it inflate our ego. Overall, the key takeaway is to skillfully navigate our motivations and use them to create and grow, rather than letting them consume us.

    • The Power of KindnessRecognizing and practicing kindness can have a profound impact on ourselves and others, fostering a more compassionate society.

      Kindness, though often overlooked in intellectual discourse, is a powerful force in our daily lives. As the speaker shared in his viral commencement speech, the small acts of kindness we overlook can have a profound impact on others and ourselves. The speaker, who had failed to extend kindness to a classmate in the past, regretted those missed opportunities and encouraged graduates to prioritize kindness in their own lives. He believed that recognizing kindness as a real concept in intellectual life would help foster a more compassionate society. The speaker's personal experience and the power of kindness resonated with people, leading his speech to go viral and solidifying his reputation as the "kindness guy."

    • Understanding the difference between kindness and nicenessKindness involves being aware, open, and ready to respond to others' needs, while niceness is a surface-level agreement or bland complacency.

      Kindness and niceness are not the same thing. Kindness involves being aware, open, and ready to respond with what is needed, while niceness is a surface-level agreement or bland complacency. Kindness requires us to be alert and hold in our minds the question of how we can help, rather than just agreeing or complacently accepting situations. Kindness is a complex concept that goes beyond mere politeness or agreeableness. It requires us to be present, aware, and responsive to the needs of others. It's about more than just being nice; it's about truly caring and acting in a way that benefits those around us.

    • Predicting the Diminishment of Self and Growth in LoveAs we age and grow in love, we may find ourselves diminishing in favor of others, leading to deeper connections and compassion.

      As we age and go through various experiences, including becoming parents, we may find that our own needs and desires fade in comparison to the love we have for others. George Saunders shares this perspective in a profound quote, predicting that "yourself will diminish, and you will grow in love." This process of self-diminishment can lead to a deeper sense of connection and compassion for those around us. Practice and heightened awareness can help us navigate this transformation with more confidence and positivity. Meanwhile, pop culture history provides examples of the importance of self-reflection, as seen in the failure of reality TV shows like "The Swan," which isolated and berated contestants. Instead, we can turn to resources like "The Science of Happiness" podcast for science-backed practices to foster greater connection, calm, and resilience.

    • Quiet the ego for love and kindness to emergeRecognize self as a construct, quiet monkey mind for love, kindness, and compassion to flourish

      Self-diminishment, or the act of turning down the volume on self-centered thinking, is essential for allowing kindness, love, and a helping attitude to emerge. This concept is not about self-deprecation or self-flagellation, but rather about recognizing the self as a construct and quieting the monkey mind to make room for these virtues. Love and kindness are likely interchangeable, and both can lead to acts of compassion without agenda. Self-diminishment is about getting past the ego and understanding the correct proportions of the universe, which can lead to glimpses of enlightenment.

    • Exploring the creative process of writing and catching a FrisbeeWriting and catching a Frisbee share similarities in the moment of discovery and creativity. The writer's role is to create an environment for inspiration and react with care and thoughtfulness.

      Writing and catching a Frisbee share similarities in the moment of discovery and creativity. These moments are not forced or intellectual, but rather natural and free of agenda. The writer's role is to create an environment for these moments to occur and then react to the material with care and thoughtfulness. The enjoyment and distinction come from the quality of these reactions. The writer's craft is about getting into a state of readiness for inspiration, and the muse will only visit if the writer is working. The writing process involves getting the clay on the wheel and then iterating to make it less horrible and maybe even decent. The author's new book, "A Swim in a Pond in the Rain," is a celebration of this process, inspired by teaching literature to writers and the timeless wisdom of 19th-century Russian authors. The book aims to mimic the classroom setting and explores the idea that becoming a better reader and writer can inform and enrich our lives.

    • Exploring the Impact of Reading and Writing on LifeReading and writing foster habits, provide spaces for processing emotions, and offer opportunities for growth, introspection, and connection.

      Reading and writing, as fundamental human practices, have profound impacts on our lives beyond the act itself. These activities foster habits that can carry over into everyday life, but it's essential to respect the mystery and freedom of art. The novel "Lincoln and the Bardo" by George Saunders, for instance, is a poignant exploration of a father's grief, demonstrating how art can provide a space for processing complex emotions. The book's title, "Bardo," refers to the Tibetan concept of the transitional space between life and death, highlighting the importance of embracing the present moment and the inherent beauty and sadness of life. Overall, reading, writing, and engaging with art offer opportunities for growth, introspection, and connection, allowing us to be exactly who we are in the moment.

    • The afterlife as a realm of existence beyond deathIndividuals continue to exist after death, but their state depends on their ability to let go of earthly pain and desires.

      The afterlife, as depicted in the discussed book, is a metaphysical realm where individuals continue to exist after death, but they are not necessarily in a state of peace or happiness. The rules of this universe are unique to the author's imagination, and the individuals therein are stuck due to their inability to let go of their earthly pain and desires. The habits formed during life are believed to carry over, making it essential to cultivate functional, intelligent, and loving habits. Ultimately, the nature of the afterlife remains a mystery, and the author expresses respectful agnosticism towards various metaphysical claims.

    • Exploring the Depths of Spirituality and the UnknownStay curious and open-minded, even when faced with complex or unknown issues, as there may be deeper truths and realities beyond our current perception.

      No matter how much we may think we understand the world around us, there are deeper truths and realities beyond our current perception. The speaker expresses a sense of awe and curiosity towards spiritual practices and the unknown, drawing parallels between the limitations of our understanding in spiritual matters and the limitations of our abilities in other areas of life. They also reflect on the complexity of current social and political issues, expressing a desire to understand them more deeply rather than making hasty judgments or theories. The speaker's personal growth and exploration of spirituality and history serve as a reminder to remain open-minded and curious, even when faced with the unknown or complex.

    • At a crossroads in America: Embracing ideals or racial nostalgia?Embrace equality and unity or risk constructing 'American' based on racial nostalgia. Practice empathy, engage in uncomfortable conversations, and use meditation as a tool for self-care and navigating crises.

      We are at a crossroads in America, facing a choice between embracing the ideals of equality and unity as outlined in our founding documents, or ascribing the term "American" to a constructed idea based on racial nostalgia and empty symbols. The conversation also touched upon the importance of empathy and understanding towards those with opposing views, even if it means engaging in uncomfortable conversations. The speaker expressed a hope for authenticity and openness, allowing information to percolate and lead us towards a more equitable and spiritual path. Additionally, the practice of meditation was highlighted as a tool for navigating turbulent times and caring for oneself and others during crises.

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    KEY TAKEAWAYS
    •If you work hard, you'd get results. Period. Regardless of whether it's fitness, whether it's your eating, your diet or doing what you do, learning how to work...
    • That's a gift to not compare yourself to anybody else and understand that you have unique talents and purpose, and you're meant to be who you are.
    •“I'm different, but I'm okay.” So, using people to make you want to be a better version of you.
    •It's about having the self-awareness to know what you're good at and what you're not good at. And double in talent the things that you're good at. And investing so much time and energy into that. Know that it's pointless to try and be someone else.
    •Everyone is projecting who they perceive you to be or what they want you to do unto you. That's a natural human trait.
    •To be defined by what you do is unfortunately what happens now. The minute people decide that you're one thing, they want you to stay there cause they've got you figured you out.
    •You are not defined by anything you do or anything anyone says or any mistakes you make.
    •God's time is the best. When the stars align, you can feel it. And when it all feels natural. When it feels it as if it was meant to happen at that time, it's undeniable, and that's where things are beginning to go.
    •If you don't understand the power of hard work and luck, then you are completely ignoring one of the two because you can't have success without both.
    •You have to really invest in your craft. You have to become obsessed by it. And die by it. But then at the same time, if you're working as hard as you should be on the thing that you really believe and in the thing you really invested in, eventually, there will be an opening and you will be prepared for it.
    •If you are now self-aware, you are asking for trouble. Because you need to know yourself well enough to know what you're good at and what you're not good at. And when you're coming across in a way that maybe is putting you in the wrong direction or pushing you away from where you want to get to or pissing people off or if you're annoying people or if you're spamming people. You need to be aware enough of those things. Otherwise, you are just asking for trouble.
    •Know what you're good at. Be very sure about what you're not good at. And listen. I think if you are not willing to listen and if you don't have people around you that are honest and transparent, you're going to be in trouble.
    •If you can't control your own emotions, how are you going to direct your own staffs' emotions. How are you able to going to be able to look after your customers if you can't control yours?
    •Empathize with someone else and put yourself in their shoes. That's the beginning of starting to see yourself through someone else's eyes. And that's the really important thing is being able to step outside and say, hang on, how did what I just did make everyone feel? How did what I just say affect the room negative or positively?
    •Being so empathetic and finding that level of connection, they give so much and that's a really delicate thing to have in your hands and it's something that you have to respect.
    •The only two transcendent emotions that rise above all are gratitude and love.
    •If you give out gratitude to people, it doesn't ruin your life or derail you from your mission. It also changes the people around you.
    •You know when you've done something that you're going to be proud of and only you know that.
    •Once you've got someone relax, everything comes out. And they don’t even realize it.
    •Ownership is everything. Owning the narrative as well as the IP is important and just as important.
    •What people want is honest, open, unedited, untwisted, and un-manipulated content, and I think they want easier, quicker access to the content provided.
    •Personal brand is just as important as the thing that you are selling. And the way that people are building businesses and very successful ones are coming from the strength of the person who is the face of the said business as opposed to how good looking they are which is in a way the right thing. It's a good thing.
    •Best advice. Every time you come into this room, we're going to talk stuff that relates to 3 subjects: Who you're with, where you live and what you do. Almost everything that you think about will come back to one of those three things and if you get two out of three right, you will be bouncing. If you get three out of three right, you'll be flying.
    •Worst advice: Don't do that thing because you are not good enough.
    •When someone comes to you with a weird energy or with a negative sort of outlook, a lot of the time, it is not about you. And having the empathy to understand that and respect someone in their tough times, that something that we're missing.
    •Being disruptive means that having the bravery to change things on your own terms.
    •If you are willing to do something that speaks to your authenticity and if you are willing to be transparent in who you are, then you have an opportunity to do something that's never been done before. Doing something that's never been done is the most beautiful thing in the world. And trying to replicate someone else is a recipe for failure.

    BEST MOMENTS
    “I have always been very aware where it's all headed but I've never quite known how I was going to get there. So, I've always at the back of my mind at least…”

    “That's kind of happen with entertainment, you're hosting The Voice one day and then a month later, you're in Kenya, making a documentary and the feeling that you have from the two are so polar opposite. You start to make a decision about where you want to spend your time and where you want to give your energy and I made that decision quite a few years ago now.”

    “Now, what happens, we love you. No matter what happens, you can always come home. If you lose everything…  I was never raised in that environment with that amount of investment put into my self-confidence and self-worth. I had to learn that over time. So, for the longest of time, I would be concerned about what the next thing would be. And there would be moments where I would have sort of pangs of fear, if it's going to work out or not. Deep down I always knew that I would be okay.”

    “Because I know that this isn't a bluff. Because nothing I've achieved has come easy. I've always known that anything that can be regarded as an achievement, I've worked my ass off for. And I am not scared of the work.”

    “If I didn't tell myself that I'm going to do this thing, do it even when it's difficult, I would not be where I am now.”

    “My individuality is my super power, and that was something that was given to me as a kid.”

    “I think it's the biggest waste of energy to try and control the way that other people think. You can never change someone else's mind until they decide to change it themselves, right? For me, I just am. I know what I want. And that might change tomorrow, and that's okay. But at no point am doing or being for anybody else. The people that I love and I care about, I live to help and support and be there for them but I will never be the way that they want me to be regardless of how important they are to me.”

    “I need to be constantly creatively shocked. Like I need to feel uncomfortable to find the inspiration to push myself and learn more. For me, if I am not learning anymore or if I am not inspired, there's no point in being there. I am not doing anyone a favor by just coasting. And at no point have I ever coasted so I've walked away from things not knowing what's coming next. And been okay.”

    “I genuinely feel that the only way to really exist in this world is walk on love. I feel that the energy that you carry and the energy that you bring to any situation determines the way in which that situation will go.”

    “The beautiful thing about ending on a question is the people watching can then have a conversation. And they then have all these different pieces off the conversation to draw from to inform their opinion. And that way, you're getting a conversation about an issue in a really beautiful authentic and rounded way as opposed to me saying this is how I feel about this and I am going to present to you 50 different people that think the same thing as me. I'm going to convince you of my opinion by the end of this hour. That is the way that a lot of journalist work. That is not how I work.”

    “I just really love to be able to share my experiences both in terms of success and failure. And have them understand that I'm not telling them to do what I did, I am telling them to learn from what I've done and choose to use it in the right way.”

    “I don't think we have enough empathy. I don't think we are willing to make time for other people's stuff. We all have stuff and everybody is carrying around stuff.”

    ABOUT THE GUEST
    Reggie Yates is a British actor, television presenter and radio DJ. Reggie Yates career has seen him move from fronting children’s programming, to national radio to becoming an RTS award-winning documentary maker. In the last 5 years, Reggie has become synonymous with critically acclaimed documentaries and he has been awarded Best Presenter for his work in the Extreme Series.

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