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    Husband Material

    So you want to outgrow porn. But how? How do you change your brain, heal your heart, and save your relationship? Welcome to Husband Material with Drew Boa, where we answer all these questions and more! Each episode will make it easier for you to achieve lasting freedom from porn—without fighting an exhausting battle. Porn is a pacifier. This podcast will help you outgrow it and become a sexually mature man of God.

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    Episodes (242)

    What Types Of Change Are Possible? (with Rich Wyler)

    What Types Of Change Are Possible? (with Rich Wyler)

    In this episode, Rich Wyler answers tough questions with curiosity, compassion, and courage. You'll learn what it looks like to work through internal conflict around sexual arousal and personal beliefs. You'll also learn why unconditional love and acceptance is our starting point.

    Rich Wyler is the founder of Brothers on a Road Less Traveled (“Brothers Road”), a non-profit, multi-faith, international fellowship of men. Brothers Road is primarily for men from bisexual and same-sex attracted backgrounds who do not identify with the label “gay” and prefer instead to explore and address underlying issues.

    In 2002, Rich created the powerful Journey Into Manhood experiential personal-growth weekend. Rich holds a bachelor’s degree in corporate communications and a certification in life coaching from Coach Training Alliance.

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    en-usJanuary 16, 2023

    Habits That Heal (with Shawn Bonneteau)

    Habits That Heal (with Shawn Bonneteau)

    What habits are most helpful for healing and outgrowing porn? In this episode, Shawn Bonneteau presents a beautiful menu of ideas to transform habits without pressure, perfectionism, or "shoulding" all over yourself in 2023.

    Shawn Bonneteau is a Christian pornography recovery coach and podcast host at Secret Habit. After quitting porn in the summer of 2017, he has spent his life pursuing God's call to transform relationships through coaching men to find freedom from porn. Shawn is a certified Husband Material coach, certified sexual addictions mentor and an inner child recovery specialist. He spends the majority of his time coaching men all over the globe in both 1-on-1 and group settings. He has a deep passion for speaking and has had the privilege to share with tens of thousands of men and women on the topics of porn addiction, masturbation and erectile dysfunction over the past 4 years. Shawn lives in Halifax, Canada with his wife Helena and daughter Violet. In his spare time he loves to watch hockey, play the drums and watch a good mindbender from Christopher Nolan.

    Resources by Shawn:


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    en-usJanuary 09, 2023

    Becoming Porn Free In 2023

    Becoming Porn Free In 2023

    In this episode, I'll recommend 3 resources to help you outgrow porn in 2023. Stay til the end to hear a big announcement about HMA (the doors are closing). 

    As promised, here are my top 5 episodes of Husband Material: 

    Register now for The Porn Free Man 2023 Online Conference on January 6-7, 2023.

    Get your free pass at thepornfreeman.com

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    en-usJanuary 02, 2023

    How Do I Help My Hurting Spouse? (with Dr. Eddie Capparucci)

    How Do I Help My Hurting Spouse? (with Dr. Eddie Capparucci)

    How can I help my partner heal? When she is "throwing rocks" at me, what can I do? In this episode, Dr. Eddie Capparucci shares 10 rules for healthy interaction with your grieving partner:

    10 Rules:
    1. No Explaining
    2. No Surprises
    3. Validation, Not Defensiveness
    4. Don’t Wilt (Be Confident)
    5. Don’t Let Your Inner Child Speak To Your Partner
    6. See Her Pain
    7. Walk Into The Fire
    8. Communicate Before Going Out In Public
    9. Own Your Impact, Not Just Your Intentions
    10. Prepare Yourself Every Morning

    Dr. Eddie Capparucci is an author and therapist who specializes in the treatment of sex and porn addiction. He's also the creator of the Inner Child Recovery Process (ICRP).

    Buy Eddie's latest book (this is a paid link):
    Why Men Struggle To Love: Overcoming Relational Blind Spots

    Eddie will be speaking at The Porn Free Man Online Conference on January 6-7, 2023. Register now at thepornfreeman.com

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    en-usDecember 26, 2022

    Emotional Fitness (with Sathiya Sam)

    Emotional Fitness (with Sathiya Sam)

    What's the difference between emotional health and emotional fitness? Why does it matter? In this episode, Sathiya Sam explains what emotional fitness looks like and how you can leverage the added stress of the holiday season to become stronger.

    Sathiya Sam is an entrepreneur with a passion to see people’s lives transformed. DeepClean, a program that helps men overcome pornography addiction, is Sathiya's most recent work to date. His proven process for freedom has helped everyone from college students to medical doctors regain control of their lives. He is married to his lovely wife Shaloma and based out of Toronto, Canada.

    Listen to Sathiya's daily podcast: Unleash The Man Within

    Connect with Sathiya on Instagram @sathiyamesam

    Sathiya will be speaking at The Porn Free Man Online Conference on January 6-7, 2023. Register now at thepornfreeman.com

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    en-usDecember 19, 2022

    How To Be A Great Lover (with Dr. Keith Gregoire)

    How To Be A Great Lover (with Dr. Keith Gregoire)

    What does it take to unlock a woman's sexual pleasure? Dr. Keith Gregoire explains how sex actually works, why we need to redefine sex, and how men can become better lovers.

    Keith Gregoire is a pediatrician who is passionate about building great marriages and equipping couples to parent well. He is co-author (along with his wife, Sheila Wray Gregoire) of "The Good Guys Guide to Great Sex." Together, they have been speaking to couples around the world for over fifteen years, providing healthy, evidence-based, biblical advice for your marriage and sex life.

    Excellent books by the Gregoires (these are paid links):

    Learn more at baremarriage.com

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    en-usDecember 12, 2022

    Authentic Manhood (with Dr. Joe Martin)

    Authentic Manhood (with Dr. Joe Martin)

    What is a real man? Dr. Joe Martin exposes the lies we believe about our value as men, in contrast to the example of authentic manhood set by Jesus Christ.

    Wrong perceptions of manhood (what society says):

    • Occupation
    • Compensation
    • Education
    • Reputation
    • Intimidation

     Authentic manhood is determined by:

    • Leading spiritually
    • Rejecting passivity
    • Loving and serving sacrificially

    Dr. Joe Martin is an award-winning speaker, author, educator, and certified builder of men. He’s the author of nine books and the host of Real Men Connect, the top-rated podcast for Christian men. Learn more at realmenconnect.com

    Dr. Joe will be speaking at The Porn Free Man Online Conference on January 6-7, 2023. Register now at thepornfreeman.com

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    en-usDecember 05, 2022

    What If I'm Sexually Attracted To Myself?

    What If I'm Sexually Attracted To Myself?

    Have you been sexually attracted to yourself, or someone just like you? In this episode, you'll learn three types of self-attraction, my own personal story, and what to do if you are sexually attracted to yourself.

    Come to my workshop "What Do I Do With My Sexual Attractions?" at The Porn Free Man online conference on January 6-7, 2023. It's free. Register now at thepornfreeman.com

    Here's the Seinfeld clip I quoted: "Falling in love with someone who's just like you" - https://youtu.be/NVDT1ARABvE

    Related Husband Material episodes:

    Also check out my free video series with Jay Stringer, The Sexual Fantasy Framework: sexualfantasyframework.com

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    en-usNovember 28, 2022

    Male Survivors Of Sexual Abuse (with Mike Chapman and Dr. Doug Carpenter)

    Male Survivors Of Sexual Abuse (with Mike Chapman and Dr. Doug Carpenter)

    What's it like to be a male survivor of sexual abuse? In our very first community-based episode, Husband Material men tell their stories of sexual abuse. You'll learn how to respond appropriately to the needs of male survivors.

    Mike Chapman is a Certified Husband Material Coach and the leader of our community sub-group for survivors of sexual abuse. Contact Mike at polarlifeconsulting@gmail.com

    Dr. Doug Carpenter is a clinical psychologist, author, and moderator in the Husband Material Community. Contact Doug at douglascarpenter.com/contact

    Jordan, Chris, Kevin, Daniel, "Chaz," and Roger are all members of the Husband Material Community.

    Resources mentioned:


    Husband Material episodes about sexual abuse:

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    en-usNovember 21, 2022

    Find The Boy Within The Man (with Chris Bruno)

    Find The Boy Within The Man (with Chris Bruno)

    Is there really a boy inside every man? What does "healing the boy" practically look like? Chris Bruno delightfully demonstrates how to find your younger self and bring him home. This interview is amazing! You'll come away with greater awareness, curiosity, kindness, and healing.

    Chris Bruno is the Co-Founder and CEO of Restoration Project, and Founder of ReStory Counseling, devoting his life to helping people come alive. He is a licensed professional counselor who has decades of experience helping men recover their hearts.

    Buy Chris' new book (this is a paid link):
    Sage: A Man's Guide Into His Second Passage

    Other books by Chris Bruno:

    Take the free assessment:
    Midlife Tremors of a Man's Journey

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    en-usNovember 14, 2022

    How To Break Up With Porn

    How To Break Up With Porn

    Outgrowing porn is not easy. The process is often messy and prolonged. That's why some men have found value in writing a formal break-up letter to pornography. This episode will give you a simple structure to write your own break-up letter. You can also use this structure to break up with an abusive partner or any other unwanted sexual behavior, fantasy, or attachment.

    Download the free PDF worksheet: How To Break Up With Porn

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    en-usNovember 07, 2022

    Emotional Safety (with Alex Avila)

    Emotional Safety (with Alex Avila)

    "Our most vital relational need is to be emotionally safe...we cannot truly connect with anyone if we don't feel safe in their presence." —Alex Avila

    But what is emotional safety, exactly? How can you tell if a person or relationship is safe or unsafe? Christian therapist Alex Avila explains what it looks like to protect our hearts while giving and receiving "safer love."

    SAFER LOVE:
    S = Slow and soft
    A = Appreciation
    F = Feelings
    E = Empathy
    R = Responsibility

    L = Listening
    O = Openness
    V = Validation
    E = Empowerment

    Alex A. Avila is a licensed professional counselor and certified sex addiction therapist who meets with men, women and couples to help them overcome trauma, connect emotionally in their relationships, and rewrite their sexual scripts. Alex also facilitates couple’s workshops and couple therapy intensives, men’s sexual recovery groups, and online relationship classes.

    Learn more about Alex at alexaavila.com

    Join our Live Q&A with Alex on November 8, 2022 inside the Husband Material Community 

    Buy one of Alex's books (these are paid links): 

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    en-usOctober 31, 2022

    How Can Fathers And Sons Outgrow Porn Together? (with John Fort and Lucas Fort)

    How Can Fathers And Sons Outgrow Porn Together? (with John Fort and Lucas Fort)

    "Your failure in sexuality is what qualifies you to talk to your son about sex in the first place." In this fascinating episode, a father and son tell their story of learning to talk about emotions and sex together. John and Lucas Fort explain what does(n't) work, what's (not) appropriate, and why imperfection is necessary for connection.

    Buy John and Lucas's book (this is a paid link):
    Father-Son Accountability: Integrity Through Relationship

    John Fort serves as Director of Training for Be Broken Ministries, where he helps men, women, and families move from sexual brokenness to wholeness in Christ. John is a co-founder of the Sexual Integrity Leadership Summit. John has authored or co-authored ten books, including Father-Son Accountability: Integrity Through Relationship.

    Lucas Fort grew up talking to his parents (especially his father) about personal topics like feelings and sexuality. He uses what he’s learned to help parents and their children better understand each other while navigating the topics of sex and pornography.

    John and Lucas live close to Portland, Oregon.

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    en-usOctober 24, 2022

    Is Covenant Eyes "Shameware"?

    Is Covenant Eyes "Shameware"?

    Anti-porn accountability software has come under scrutiny after an article in WIRED Magazine described Covenant Eyes as "shameware" and "just another way the church controls you.” In this episode, you'll hear what's going on, what I think about accountability software, and how to decide if it's right for you.

    Article in WIRED Magazine: The Ungodly Surveillance of Anti-Porn ‘Shameware’ Apps

    My top recommendation for accountability software: Covenant Eyes

    For those of you who use accountability software:
    “If your CovenantEyes or Accountable2You apps are acting funny as of late, there is a very likely reason! Covenant Eyes and Accountable2You were removed from the Google Play Store, and there's a chance your services may have been disrupted. If that's the case, check your email for instructions they have sent to get your software active again and working (there is a workaround which may include reinstalling or activating from their websites). So far this has affected Android users. It's still unclear what repercussions this may have for iPhone/iOS users. So please be watchful. Stand strong, courageous men, and don't allow any software glitches to affect you on your journey to outgrow porn!” —Kolton Thomas, founder of Reclaimed Recovery

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    en-usOctober 17, 2022

    From Pain To Purpose (with Rick Carlson)

    From Pain To Purpose (with Rick Carlson)

    Rick Carlson spent years running from pain, hiding from others, and hating God... until everything changed. In this episode, Rick shares his story of prenatal trauma, physical differences, self-hatred, substance abuse, porn use, and his healing journey over the past 12 years.

    "Your greatest pain can become your greatest purpose." —Rick Carlson

    Rick Carlson is the founder of Comeback Coaching. As a Certified Husband Material Coach, Life Coach, and Pastor, Rick is passionate about walking with men who feel left behind or believe they are less valued. Rick specializes in coaching men who are overcoming various addictions. Rick's faith-based approach offers compassion for men to discover the deeper reasons for their struggles and outgrow unwanted sexual behaviors. His goals are to help men know that they matter and provide an opportunity for healing. Rick loves to see men make a comeback!

    "Rick has helped me reframe and understand my porn use and compulsive sexual behavior not as the main problem, but as a pacifier, helping me get to the root issue that is underneath. He is real, relatable, and wise, and is willing to challenge you in the best possible way." —Daniel

    Schedule a free coaching session with Rick Carlson here

    Contact Rick at rickcarlson2020@gmail.com

    Learn more at comebackcoaching.org

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    en-usOctober 10, 2022

    Porn, Anxiety, And Depression (with Ben Bennett)

    Porn, Anxiety, And Depression (with Ben Bennett)

    Do you know what it's like to struggle with depression or anxiety in addition to porn? Ben Bennett does; he has also experienced years of freedom. In this episode, Ben unpacks how mental health challenges and unwanted sexual behavior are related. Using a mix of science and Scripture, he also highlights the path to healing. This episode is important!

    Ben Bennett is an author, podcast host, and speaker with Josh McDowell Ministry as the Director of Resolution Movement–a global movement helping people overcome hurts and struggles and thrive in life. Ben helps individuals young and old understand and work through the underlying factors driving the unhealthy patterns in their lives.

    Buy Ben's book, co-authored with Josh McDowell (this is a paid link):
    Free To Thrive: How Your Hurt, Struggles, And Deepest Longings Can Lead To A Fulfilling Life

    Connect with Ben on Instagram @benvbennett

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    en-usOctober 03, 2022

    The Beauty Of Brotherhood (Psalm 133)

    The Beauty Of Brotherhood (Psalm 133)

    Listen to my sermon about embodied brotherhood from the recent Husband Material Retreat in Santa Barbara.

    Psalm 133 (NIV 1984)

    "How good and pleasant it is
        when brothers live together in unity!
      It is like precious oil poured on the head,
        running down on the beard,
    running down on Aaron's beard,
        down upon the collar of his robes.
      It is as if the dew of Hermon
         were falling on Mount Zion.
      For there the LORD bestows his blessing,
         even life forevermore."

    The Beauty Of Brotherhood
    Sermon on Psalm 133 by Drew Boa 
    Sunday, September 11th, 2022 

    1. Embodied brotherhood is precious & rare
    2. Embodied brotherhood is powerful & refreshing
    3. Embodied brotherhood is eternal

    Watch the original video recording of this episode here.

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    en-usSeptember 26, 2022

    Wisdom After Sexual Betrayal (with Marnie Ferree)

    Wisdom After Sexual Betrayal (with Marnie Ferree)

    Marnie Ferree understands sex addiction from both sides: from personal experience, and from being a partner. In this episode, Marnie shares her story of grief and growth after discovering her own sexual betrayal trauma.

    Marnie Ferree is a licensed marriage and family therapist in Nashville, Tennessee, where she directs Bethesda Workshops, which provides Christian-based treatment for sex addicts, their partners, couples, and teens affected by sexual addiction. Learn more at bethesdaworkshops.org.

    Buy Marnie's books here (these are paid links):

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    en-usSeptember 19, 2022

    Healing From Sexual Betrayal (with Dr. Sheri Keffer)

    Healing From Sexual Betrayal (with Dr. Sheri Keffer)

    What is intimate deception betrayal trauma? Why is it so hard for partners of porn users to get help? When it comes to healing, what (doesn't) work? Dr. Sheri Keffer explains how porn impacts partners—and more importantly, what we can do about it. She even guides you on how to share this episode with your wife or girlfriend without triggering her. If you're married, your wife will love hearing from Dr. Sheri!

    Dr. Sheri Keffer is the author of Intimate Deception (paid link) and a regular cohost of New Life Live! with an audience of more than two million people each week. For over twenty years, she’s worked as a Doctor of Marriage and Family therapy in Newport Beach, California. Through her own personal story of recovery, Dr. Sheri understands the trauma symptoms often associated with sexual betrayal. As a Certified Partner Trauma Therapist Supervisor (CPTT-S), Certified Clinical Partner Specialist (CCPS), Certified Sex Addiction Therapist (CSAT) and a Consultant in EMDR, she brings new tools and a fresh look at what’s needed not only to heal but heal well. Dr. Sheri also holds a degree in theology from Fuller Theological Seminary. You can follow her on social media on Instagram or Facebook @drsherikeffer.

    Have you been impacted by sexual betrayal?
    Take Dr. Sheri's quiz: braveone.com/takethequiz

    Buy Dr. Sheri's award-winning book (this is a paid link):
    Intimate Deception: Healing The Wounds Of Sexual Betrayal

    ***For A Limited Time***
    Check out Dr. Sheri's BraveOne Community for women healing from intimate deception betrayal trauma 

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    en-usSeptember 12, 2022

    Attunement: The Key To Connection

    Attunement: The Key To Connection

    Attunement is the ability to be aware of and respond to another person's needs—and our own needs, too.  In this episode, you'll learn the building blocks of good attunement, why over-attunement is unhelpful and exhausting, and how to practically sharpen your attunement skills and improve your relationships. 

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    en-usSeptember 06, 2022
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