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    Where is the Line

    How often do we find ourselves in situations that are not black and white? Let's be honest, a whole lot of life sits in the grey zone where there is no right or wrong. Are you ever curious about exploring both sides of the coin? Buckle up and join us on "Where is the Line", as we delve into the grey areas of life. Each episode, our hosts & carefully selected guests will take you on a journey as we navigate relationships, friendships, and other responsibilities life throws at us. While we bring you a few perspectives, our primary goal is to spark a conversation. We'd love to hear from you! Email us: whereisthelinepod@gmail.com IG: @whereisthelinepod Twitter: @whereistheline
    enSabrina Fruehauf & Jane Liu20 Episodes

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    When Therapy is Not Enough

    When Therapy is Not Enough

    This week we are talking all things mental health!

    How can one differentiate between burnout vs just “a bad week”? What if therapy alone isn’t effective enough and you continue to battle a feeling of anxiety & depression? 

    We are so honored to have the beautiful Katherine Morse Wiora (Kat) with us to share for the first time publicly about her incredibly personal story of joining an out-patient program and how it represented a pivotal part to healing. 

    From breaking down the structure of the program, to laying out key benefits and downsides, her biggest surprises, how to navigate the feeling of judgment, the power of community, how to support a loved one going through this, ... Kat covers it all. Kat also gives tangible advice on how to decide whether this is program is right for you. 

    Let’s all work together to destigmatize solutions designed to improve our mental health! Thank you Kat for embodying such authentic & courageous leadership through the power of vulnerability. 

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    Boundaries vs. Control in Dating & Relationships

    Boundaries vs. Control in Dating & Relationships

    This week we are talking all things relationships and dating with two phenomenal guests, who don't hold back - you do not want to miss Paige McKibbon and Ben Mezzenga

    Where is the line between healthy boundaries and control? 

    We are thrilled to have both the male AND the female perspective in one joint (virtual) setting for the first time in the pod's history, discussing topics like: being friends with exes while in a relationship, social media etiquette, going through your partner's phone, finances, a partner showing lack of ambition, family ties ... and more! 

    We end the episode with a fun fire-side chat on dealbreakers, red flags, beige flags or non-negotiables.

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    Welcome back - Season 3 Opener

    Welcome back - Season 3 Opener

    Welcome back to "Where is the Line" Season 3, where we continue to explore the grey areas of life! We are back with a new season filled with spicy topics, more exciting guests AND you can now watch on YouTube!

    In the opener, the two co-hosts Jane Liu and Sabrina Fruehauf hope our audience can get to know us a bit better with a bit of fun: 

    This episode is a tribute to our listeners as we thank each and everyone of you for your continued support. <3 

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    Season 2 Close - Am I the Ahole

    Season 2 Close - Am I the Ahole

    Where is the Line: Season 2 Finale - are you ready? 

    After so many incredibly intimate & informative conversations with phenomenal guests, we thought to close out on a funny, silly note - tune in to our own version of Reddit’s “Am I the Ahole”, where we give our take on four spicy scenarios and how we would approach it... 
    We had so much fun with this one, we hope you enjoy!

    Here is a sneak peek into the topics we cover - am I the Ahole for...

    • Setting boundaries with an old boss who continues to make work requests even though they are no longer on the same team
    • Getting mad at my husband for a surprise Valentine's day gift when both parties firmly agreed to no gifts
    • Having insecurities about my boyfriend following certain girls on instagram 
    • Picking a first dance song for my wedding which is meaningful to me but my stepsister is asking me to change it as it brings up sad memories

    We still can't believe this marks the end of the second season. A huge thank you to all our guests thus far and to our dear listeners - we are here because of all of you <3 

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    Ethical AI - Navigating the Boundaries of Technology

    Ethical AI - Navigating the Boundaries of Technology

    AI & Ethics - Where is the Line? When should we be concerned? 

    We are honored to sit down with Software Engineer Maung Aung who is extremely knowledgeable in the space and doesn’t hold back in unpacking the ethical dimensions of artificial intelligence; from the ‘reasoning’ gap to critical issues of privacy and control, to bias in AI, Maung covers it all, including the benefits as well as limitations of AI.

    Isn't AI just another form of creative destruction and the more we (carefully and critically) embrace it our society will benefit?

    Tune in to find out!

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    Building effective leadership in a remote setting

    Building effective leadership in a remote setting

    Managing in a remote world- how to build effective leadership virtually.

    We are thrilled to have engineering manager Dmitrii Pokhil with us who is working on an incredibly inspiring mission, to help end the organ transplant waiting list. Dmitrii shares openly about his journey as a manager, how to create a culture of trust and transparency, and owning up to sometimes not getting it right. He shares more around key attributes that set apart high performers and we close the conversation with advice for individual contributors on how to be successful in this remote environment.

    We hope you enjoy and as always, let us know your experience with remote work (whether you are managing or aspiring to be a manager) in the comments! 

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    Empty Nesters: how to navigate this new dynamic with our parents?

    Empty Nesters: how to navigate this new dynamic with our parents?

    Are your parents empty nesters? How do you navigate the changing relationship with them? How can you redefine the parent-child dynamic in a healthy way? And what is empty nester syndrome really? 


    Join us for an exciting conversation with Matthew Newton on how to manage this new dynamic, how to set boundaries and the importance of finding dual purpose outside of parenting.

    We hope you enjoy and as always, let us know your experience in the comments! Any advice or tips on how you've help your parents through this chapter, we would love to hear!

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    You are more than your job - Career vs. Identity

    You are more than your job - Career vs. Identity

    Your job vs. your identity - we spend 1/3 of our lives at work yet it is important to remember that we are not our jobs. 
    Today we hope to inspire you to take a closer look at who you are outside of your career. 
    There is no better person than Shaliza Kassam who shares openly about her journey after getting laid off and how that marked a pivotal turning point to rediscover herself and find new sources of happiness. 

    We hope you enjoy and as always, let us know your experience in the comments! Any advice or tips on how to navigate the line between career and identity are welcome!

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    Finding Joy in Solitude

    Finding Joy in Solitude

    Jane and Sabrina are flying solo today! Join us for an intimate conversation about the fine line between “being alone” and “feeling lonely”.

    How is it that sometimes you can physically be surrounded by others yet feel lonely? And vice versa, how to find joy in solitude? As humans we naturally crave connection with others but how can we improve the relationship that matters most, with ourselves?

    We examine the importance of not losing one's identity when in a relationship, by growing as a couple as well as growing individually, and discuss how energy is finite, and how you choose to spend your energy can help in finding more inner peace and happiness. 

    We hope you enjoy and as always, let us know your experience with this topic in the comments! Any advice or tips on how to feel less lonely are welcome!

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    Employee vs. Entrepreneur as a path to Financial Independence

    Employee vs. Entrepreneur as a path to Financial Independence

    Financial Independence- isn’t that the dream? How can you achieve financial freedom without the anxiety around passive income.

    We are extremely honored to sit down with LaSean Smith, active solo-preneur, private equity investor, patent holder, and former big tech executive, who is committed to helping people unlock more freedom and accelerate their path to financial independence. There truly couldn't be a more suited person to speak on this subject- LaSean is a fountain of knowledge and Jane and I left this conversation incredibly inspired. 

    LaSean shares how to play the long game and the importance of skill-stacking to create more leverage, while weighing the pros and cons between employee & entrepreneur. He highlights concepts such as the "3 House Rule", "growing the gap" and other pro-tips. 

    What do you think are some of the most critical skills everyone should be practicing to achieve success? What is some of the best and worst advice he's received from working with CEOs and entrepreneurs that we can all learn from? What's wrong with chasing the TikTok hype cycle? Tune in to find out!

    "Chase Freedom. Ignore Status." - LaSean Smith 

    Did the conversation with LaSean spark an idea or did his message speak to you? Get in touch with him on Twitter (@LaSean) or LinkedIn.

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    Navigating the Renting vs. Owning Dilemma

    Navigating the Renting vs. Owning Dilemma

    This week we are getting into all things real estate.
    We are honored to sit down with real estate agent Nitasha Kassam, a true expert in the space. Nitasha joined the Crystal Tran Team of Chicago in 2017. She is known for her customer relation and passion for helping people which is what makes her an outstanding agent. Her team was recently recognized in Chicago’s list of 2023 ‘Who’s Who of Chicago Real Estate.’ 
    Nitasha breaks down how to navigate this crazy housing market, and all the factors that go into the decision tree of whether to rent or own.

    She shares more on the importance of mapping out what type of lifestyle you want and how to budget according to your wants and needs. 

    Nitasha unpacks the myth of "feeling stuck" when you become a homeowner, and reminds our audience of finding a place that is investor friendly and what to learn from Starbucks when considering a location. 

    ... did you know women were not allowed to get mortgages until 1974? 

    This was one of the most informative sessions yet and is a must-listen for everyone, no matter what stage of life you’re in! 

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    Religion vs. Faith: Spirituality outside of Church

    Religion vs. Faith: Spirituality outside of Church

    We are back with our first official guest of Season 2: the wonderful Ellie Rosenbaum, talking about a rather controversial subject, religion vs. faith - how to rediscover spirituality outside of church. 
    Ellie shares quite vulnerably about her own journey, from being raised catholic to finding connection to god outside of church. She touches on the feeling of exclusivity while getting "prayed over" in Religious Ed, to experiencing the feeling of disillusionment. 

    Ellie highlights how one can have connection to God outside of Church and the value of community & faith aside from a formal institution. 

    We ended on how to navigate when your partner / their family is not of your same religion, and what to look out for in the dating world when it comes to faith or religion.

    "You're not alone: choose what's going to bring you the most happiness"

    -  Ellie Rosenbaum

    No matter where you are on your own spiritual path, this is a must-listen!

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    Welcome back - Season 2 Opener

    Welcome back - Season 2 Opener

    Welcome back to "Where is the Line" Season 2, where we continue to explore the grey areas of life! We are back with a new season filled with juicy topics and more exciting guests.

    In the opener, the two co-hosts Jane Liu and Sabrina Fruehauf share key reflections on Season 1, what have been the hardest and easiest parts and shed light on some of the focus areas moving forward as well as our plan for scale. 

    This episode is primarily a tribute to our listeners as we thank each and everyone of you for your continued support. The opener ends with a sneak preview into the topics & guests for the season. 

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    Setting Boundaries with Friends

    Setting Boundaries with Friends

    For our season finale, we are flying solo!

    We are diving deep into the topic of boundaries... and specifically setting boundaries with friends! How to learn to take the ego out of situations, how to practice more empathy and compassion with oneself as well as the other person and as always, we end on tactics anyone can apply to become more confident and comfortable with boundaries and learn to stay in your truth even if the other person's reaction is not the one you want. This is a juicy one! 

    We cannot believe this already wraps our first season. We appreciate each and every one of you so much for listening and supporting us - get excited for season 2 as we have many more inspiring guests and topics in store for y'all! 

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    How to give feedback to your manager

    How to give feedback to your manager

    In today's episode, we have with us our dear friend, queen of finding your true passion and people advocate Kristy Wojnicki. 

    Kristy has extensive experience in managing customer-facing teams, partnering with global & small businesses, launching new products in start-up and mature environments and she was also one of our favorite managers. We couldn't think of a more suited person to discuss this critical (yet sometimes uncomfortable) topic of how to give feedback to your manager. We know that feedback is a gift but how do you get more comfortable providing feedback to a superior? 

    Kristy dives into the importance of anytime and real-time feedback, to always ground the feedback in facts to remove some of the emotion and bias, and guidance on how to lead by example. Thank you Kristy for sharing so many tangible tips with us!

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    Finding your Authentic Self on Social Media

    Finding your Authentic Self on Social Media

    In today's episode, we have with us none other than Queen Brittany (@Lovebstyle) to discuss all things social media and how to remain true to your authentic self online.

    Brittany is an absolute style babe, influencer, fashion lover, working mom and wife - she does it all!
    As an influencer, we are so lucky to have her share more about finding the balance in this crazy social media world we live in, how to maintain one's integrity around brand sponsorships without getting distracted by the next shiny object, how to set boundaries with your audience and Brittany leaves us with valuable tips for starting off as an influencer. 

    Make sure to follow Brittany Johnson and her incredible content on Instagram: @Lovebstyle

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    Caregiving - where to begin?

    Caregiving - where to begin?

    Did you know the share of the global population aged >60 will double by 2050 and population aging is poised to become one of the most significant social transformations of the 21st century?

    In today's episode, we examine a topic that is not talked about enough though represents one that will hit all of us sooner rather than later: Caregiving

    We have the wonderful Shannon Gaydos with us, global talent strategist, author of "The 2030 papers", speaker and founder of CaringUpfamily.com, who will share reflections and guidance on caring for parents, grandparents and older loved ones, based on her own experience.

    We also cover how to reconcile the moral/ethical aspect of care without losing oneself and setting necessary boundaries. 

    Most of all, we hope this episode will leave you with more comfort that you're not alone in this and provide a compass for when you are faced with someone in your life requiring care. 

    We would like to dedicate this episode to Shannon's late mother and Sabrina's late father. 

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    Financial Responsibilities - Balance between Saving Money and Living Life

    Financial Responsibilities - Balance between Saving Money and Living Life

    In today's episode, we are talking all things money and finances with none other than the extremely knowledgeable financial coach Lesley Ihionkhan. 

    Lesley is an expert in this field, and aside from a busy day job as a Product Manager and MBA Student, she’s also the founder and executive director of Common Wealth Coaching, a service that empowers young professionals with confidence and tools to build generational wealth and financial freedom. 

    We cover the fine balance between investing, saving, while still living a happy & fulfilled life aligned to your main priorities. You will hear tactics on how to trim down your priority list, how to pay yourself first, the importance of community and collaboration when it comes to building financial literacy and the difference between a financial coach, financial advisor and a financial planner. 

    Most of all, we hope this episode will leave you with more comfort that you're not alone in this daunting topic that money & finances can present for so many of us!  

    Follow / reach out to Lesley on Twitter: @LIhionkhan and her coaching business Common Wealth Coaching: https://cmmnwealthcoach.com/ 

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    Self-Healing after a Breakup

    Self-Healing after a Breakup

    In today's episode, we have the beautiful Samantha (Sam) Schafer with us, as we dive into the topic of healing after a break-up, i.e. is there such a thing as "the right time" to get back out there? 

    How can you start falling in love with the process vs obsessing over the end goal and take the time to figure out what you want by reflecting on why the other relationship didn't work out.

    How to learn to accept any emotion that may come up, vs. push them away? How to own your part without falling into the trap of self-deprecating and how too often we use tools like attachment theories to weaponize against and label ourselves.

    We end with some tactical techniques anyone can apply to become a better version of themselves. This episode is for anyone that wants to learn and grow, whether single or in a relationship. 

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    Welcome to "Where is the Line"

    Welcome to "Where is the Line"

    Welcome to "Where is the Line", a podcast where we explore the grey areas of life.

    In this episode, meet the two co-hosts Jane Liu and Sabrina Fruehauf, gain a sneak peek into the topics covered in season 1 and learn about how this whole podcast even came to be.

    We conclude by sharing how people can interact with us:

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