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    235: Setting the Conditions for Victory. w/ Gen. John Gronski From The 2-28

    enJune 24, 2020

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    • Balancing duty and compassion in leadershipEffective leaders must balance duty and compassion, carrying on in the face of tragedy while showing care for their team.

      Effective leadership involves maintaining a delicate balance between duty and compassion. During a mission in Ramadi, Jocko encountered a wounded seal, Kawhi, who wanted to stay with his unit but had to leave for better medical care. The brigade commander, Colonel Gronsky, awarded Kawhi a Purple Heart and showed compassion while also fulfilling his duty. Jocko learned from this experience that as a leader, he would have to bear the burden of command and carry on in the face of tragedy, all while showing care for his team. Colonel Gronsky, who has since retired as a two-star general, exemplified this balance and continues to inspire Jocko.

    • The commander's first impression leaves a lasting impactDespite adversity, determination and resilience can lead to success and effective leadership

      The speaker's first encounter with the brigade commander during their deployment in Ramadi, Iraq, was a memorable one. The commander's professional demeanor and quick response to the situation at hand left a lasting impression on the speaker. The speaker also shared a brief background of the commander's upbringing from his book, highlighting his humble beginnings and determination to succeed despite adversity. Despite losing his mother at a young age and dropping out of school, the commander built a successful business and became a pillar of the community. The speaker expressed admiration for the commander's resilience and leadership skills, which were evident during their deployment. The speaker also shared a personal connection, as they both lost their mothers at a young age. The encounter served as a powerful reminder of the importance of staying focused and determined in the face of adversity.

    • Growing up without a mother figure instilled self-discipline and resilienceLosing a mother figure at a young age led to self-reliance and the ability to adapt to challenging circumstances, shaping the speaker's character and future opportunities.

      Growing up without a mother figure in the late 1950s required children to develop self-discipline at a young age. The speaker, who lost his mother, was fortunate to have older sisters and an aunt who stepped in as surrogate mothers. They assumed responsibilities beyond their years, allowing the speaker to feel loved and supported. Despite living in a small house with multiple family members, everyone had to share resources and sleep arrangements. The speaker attended a small public school that offered limited sports opportunities, but he developed a strong interest in football. He started playing in high school and worked in the family garage from a young age, which instilled a strong work ethic. The military became an option later in his life, likely due to the maturity and resilience he had gained from his challenging upbringing.

    • Unexpected opportunities can lead to new discoveriesInitial plans can change and unexpected experiences can lead to new passions and unexpected career paths

      Sometimes our initial plans and desires can change as we gain new experiences. The speaker initially had no interest in joining the ROTC, but after attending a summer camp at Fort Knox, he discovered a love for the military lifestyle and signed up. However, due to poor eyesight, he couldn't become an infantryman and instead became a medical service corps officer. Despite not being a doctor or directly involved in medical care, he led medics and provided administrative support. He served for four years before deciding to leave active duty and move back to be with his father. This story illustrates how unexpected opportunities and circumstances can lead us down unexpected paths.

    • Decisions at the Kitchen Table Lead to AdventuresMaking important decisions at the kitchen table can lead to unexpected adventures. Adaptability and resilience are essential for overcoming challenges during these adventures.

      The kitchen table is a place where important decisions are made, and sometimes those decisions lead to unexpected adventures. In the story, the speaker made two significant decisions at the kitchen table: to move back to Pennsylvania and to bike across the country with his family. The journey was self-supported, and they carried only essentials, including a baby. Bertie, his wife, agreed to the trip, but she underestimated the duration. The author kept a journal during the trip, which provided vivid details of their experiences. One interesting aspect of their journey was their ability to camp in people's yards, which was more common in the past. However, an incident with a camp stove nearly ended their trip before it began. Despite the challenges, they persevered and continued their journey, demonstrating the importance of adaptability and resilience. The book is a recollection of their adventure and the lessons they learned about life, leadership, and love.

    • Lessons learned on a cross-country bike tripThe right attitude towards challenges and decisions is more important than the outcome itself.

      The journey, not the destination, holds the most valuable lessons. During a cross-country bike trip with his family, the author faced numerous decisions and challenges. He learned that the right attitude towards the path chosen was crucial, rather than the path itself. The trip was filled with funny stories, lessons, and became a minor celebrity experience for the family. The real hero was the author's wife for her unwavering support throughout the journey. After returning from the military, the author joined the National Guard, which differs from the reserves in that it has both a federal and state mission, with the National Guard being under the command and control of the state's governor during peacetime.

    • The National Guard: Balancing Civilian and Military LifeNational Guard members balance civilian responsibilities with military duties, maintaining physical fitness and annual training, while building businesses, selling products, and raising families, leading to significant impact and advancement opportunities.

      While the governor has no authority to call up reserve units, they do have the power to call up National Guard units. The National Guard is generally under the command and control of the governor. Historically, National Guard members have been required to participate in one weekend a month and two weeks in the summer, but their lives are not put entirely on hold. They can build businesses, sell products, and raise families while still advancing in rank. The military responsibility comes with maintaining physical fitness standards and annual training. The speaker shared his personal experience of joining the National Guard as a medical service corps officer and becoming an infantry officer without additional training. He commanded an infantry company for four years and led it to high performance, earning recognition for the team. Despite the part-time nature of the National Guard, members can have significant impact and advancement opportunities.

    • Military personnel learn from tougher enemies in training exercisesTraining with challenging adversaries prepares military personnel with essential skills and mindset for their roles, and continued education and training enhances their credibility and confidence.

      Participating in military training exercises, such as Op 4 where civilians play the role of opposing forces, is an essential learning experience for military personnel. During this training, SEALs face tougher enemies than they will encounter in real life, allowing them to learn how to think like their adversaries and counter their tactics. This extended period of training, which can last several weeks, is crucial for gaining the necessary skills and mindset for effective performance in their roles. Additionally, pursuing further education and training, like attending the infantry officer advanced course and Ranger School, can significantly enhance a military officer's credibility and confidence in their abilities. These experiences, although challenging, are valued and supported by family members, even when they involve extended absences. The speaker's father, for instance, was proud of his son's military achievements and encouraged him to continue his training despite being away for an extended period.

    • The power of serving and being part of something largerJoining the military at a young age, the speaker felt a strong urge to serve and be with his fellow soldiers during a time of conflict. This experience stayed with him throughout his career and taught him the importance of partnerships between countries.

      The desire to serve and be a part of something larger, even in the context of a war, can be a powerful motivator for young people. The speaker, a military veteran, recounted his experience of watching the Gulf War break out at the age of 19 and feeling a strong urge to join, despite the predicted high casualty count. He wanted to be with his fellow soldiers and sailors, and the thought of getting a chance to serve in a time of conflict was appealing to him. After serving, he continued to advance in rank and even had the opportunity to command a brigade and serve overseas. The experience of being a part of something larger, even during challenging times, stayed with him throughout his career. Additionally, the speaker discussed the importance of partnerships between countries, such as the one between Pennsylvania and Lithuania, which provided opportunities for military personnel to learn from each other and build stronger relationships.

    • John's dedication to duty and sacrificeJohn's unwavering commitment to his country and soldiers, even when it meant personal sacrifices, is a powerful reminder of true service and dedication.

      The speaker, John, is a dedicated military leader who put his country's needs above his own, even if it meant sacrificing personal opportunities and financial gain. He shared stories of his experiences, including deployments to Lithuania and Iraq, and emphasized the importance of maintaining discipline and professionalism within his units. Despite facing unexpected challenges, such as being called to deploy with a brigade instead of being promoted to general, John remained committed to his duty and was grateful for the opportunity to serve. The sacrifices made by him and his soldiers were a testament to true service and dedication.

    • Leading with empathy and compassionEmpathy and compassion can significantly boost morale and loyalty among troops. Visiting a soldier in the stockade on Christmas day showed him that he was valued, leaving a lasting impact.

      Leading with empathy and compassion can have a profound impact on morale and loyalty among troops. The speaker shares an experience from his time as a brigade commander in Europe, where he allowed soldiers to drink alcohol off-duty, but held accountable those who broke the rules. One soldier, who made a serious mistake and was punished, was visited by the commander on Christmas day in the stockade. The soldier was deeply moved by the gesture and later remembered it when the brigade was preparing to deploy to Ramadi, one of the most violent places during the Iraq War. This incident demonstrates the importance of treating soldiers as adults and showing them that they are valued and cared for, even during difficult times.

    • The success of the 28th Infantry Division in Ramadi was due to exceptional leadership and teamworkThe military's strength comes from both professional forces and capable reserves, who can adapt and perform under pressure

      The success of the 2nd Brigade 28th Infantry Division in Ramadi during the Iraq War was largely due to the exceptional leadership and teamwork of the soldiers at every level, despite facing significant challenges with inadequate armor and being made up of soldiers from various states who had to come together as a team. The army did the best they could with the training and resources available at the time, but the real credit goes to the National Guard soldiers who adapted and performed admirably in the most violent place on earth. This story serves as a testament to the resilience and capabilities of military reserves, who often step up to the plate when professional soldiers are in short supply. It's a reminder that the military's strength lies not only in its professional forces but also in its reserves, who can rise to the occasion when called upon.

    • Appreciation and Flexibility in Military OperationsEffective military operations require appreciation and flexibility towards local military, gaining situational understanding, engaging local leaders, and effective leader engagement and setting conditions for the next brigade.

      Adaptability and open-mindedness are crucial in military operations. The speaker shared an experience where the soldiers and marines showed immense gratitude towards the local military for their help and guidance during a mission. The local military, in turn, demonstrated flexibility and understanding, which proved invaluable. The speaker also highlighted the importance of gaining situational understanding and engaging local leaders to ensure success in military operations. Additionally, the speaker mentioned that the reality of combat sets in quickly and that effective leader engagement and setting conditions for the next brigade to come through are essential phases in military operations. The speaker's brigade's experience in Iraq required the presence of three brigades to effectively secure the area - one in Ramadi, one in Habbaniyah, and one in Jazira.

    • Importance of massing troops in insurgenciesMassing troops is essential in insurgencies for securing areas and protecting civilians, unlike dispersing forces for maximum combat power in large-scale combat.

      Massing troops is crucial when fighting an insurgency, unlike large-scale combat operations where dispersing forces to maximize combat power is more effective. The speaker's experience in Ramadi during the Iraq War illustrates this concept. The brigade that followed theirs had enough troops to establish more combat outposts and secure areas, which led to a significant change in the situation. The speaker believed in the importance of staying in an area long enough to secure it and protect civilians, rather than conducting short patrols that only created enemies. He shared examples of adjusting tactics to respect local customs and improve relationships with sheikhs, ultimately leading to a more effective counterinsurgency strategy.

    • Tribal leaders' encouragement led to local support in Iraq WarGaining local support through leader engagement is crucial in military operations, even in the face of danger and setbacks.

      During the Iraq War, the turning point in gaining the trust and support of the local population in Ramadi came when tribal leaders encouraged their citizens to vote in elections and join the police force. This led to a significant increase in recruitment numbers, with hundreds of Iraqis showing up to join despite the risks. However, a suicide bombing at a recruiting event resulted in the deaths of over 100 Iraqis and several American soldiers, causing a setback in the leader engagement efforts. Despite this tragedy, the Iraqis who had already joined continued to attend police training, showing their commitment to the cause. Unfortunately, the failure to protect the tribal leaders resulted in their murders, cutting off the leader engagement efforts and contributing to the turmoil in the region. The resilience of the Iraqis to continue joining despite the danger highlights the importance of gaining local support in military operations.

    • Disruption of Ramadi's leadership during the Iraq WarThe absence of key leaders led to a power vacuum, allowing Al Qaeda in Iraq to carry out terror tactics and disrupt city functioning, while local insurgents and criminal elements took advantage of the situation.

      The insurgency in Ramadi during the Iraq War disrupted the city's functioning, leading to the murder of key leaders and the departure of more powerful sheikhs. This terror tactic aimed to break the will of the people and prevent cooperation with coalition forces. The absence of these leaders led to a power vacuum, with sub-shakes taking control but lacking the same influence. The terror tactics were carried out primarily by Al Qaeda in Iraq. Meanwhile, local insurgents had different goals, wanting coalition forces to leave once they had enough Iraqi police. Criminal elements were also present, motivated by making money from selling weapons. Additionally, former Iraqi generals sought to regain power. Commanders like the speaker went on operations with their troops to build trust, learn firsthand, and boost morale. However, the speaker learned from a book called "The Clay Pigeons of Saint Loeb" that every decision to go from one place to another puts not just the commander's life at risk but also the lives of those traveling with them. Therefore, the speaker made a commitment never to make unnecessary journeys through Ramadi.

    • Lessons from working with different military branchesEffective leadership requires trust and respect, regardless of military branch or rank. Trusting subordinates builds a foundation for collaboration and success.

      Effective leadership requires trust and respect, regardless of military branch or rank. During his deployment, a National Guard Brigade Commander learned this valuable lesson while working with Marine and Army battalions. He emphasized the importance of trusting subordinates first to build a foundation of trust and respect. The Marine Corps, known for its rigorous leadership standards, produced three excellent battalion commanders from the time he spent with them. Despite initial concerns about working with active duty units, he was met with nothing but respect and trust. This experience taught him that every branch and MOS in the military is crucial, and that a collaborative effort is essential for success. In a war zone, the focus is on getting the job done, and trust and respect are the keys to making that happen. In a non-wartime setting, this mindset can be challenging to maintain, but the lessons learned remain invaluable.

    • Insurgents in Ramadi used cordless phones as IED detonators with artillery shellsInsurgents in Ramadi used high-tech methods like cordless phones for IED detonation, increasing attack power, highlighting the need for post-blast analysis to understand insurgent tactics and prevent future attacks.

      The insurgents in Ramadi, Iraq used high-powered cordless phones as detonators for IEDs, placing them near artillery shells to increase the destructive power of their attacks. This was discovered after an incident on September 19, 2005, when a lieutenant from the Vermont National Guard and two soldiers were killed by such a device. Gunnery Sergeant Michael Burkhart, a Marine EOD expert, narrowly escaped death when he jumped into a crater to investigate and found two artillery shells with detonation cords attached. However, an unseen third shell exploded, knocking him unconscious. Despite his serious injuries, Burkhart quickly regained consciousness and, to his relief, discovered he had not lost his legs. The incident underscored the importance of post-blast analysis to understand insurgent tactics and prevent future attacks.

    • Leading with selflessness and maintaining moraleLeaders prioritize team needs and confidence, even in adversity. Selfless acts can boost morale and make a difference in challenging environments.

      Leadership is about putting the needs and confidence of your team before your own concerns, even in the face of adversity. As exemplified by Gunny Burkhart, who, despite being badly injured, walked to the helicopter instead of being carried to maintain the morale of his young marines. The discussion also highlighted the challenges of implementing reconstruction and development projects in war-torn areas due to the constant threat of insurgent attacks. Despite these challenges, efforts were made to bring normalcy to the children's lives through school visits and other activities. An unexpected issue that arose was the occurrence of blue-on-blue incidents, which were common in the violent environment but hard for outsiders to comprehend. Overall, the conversation underscored the extreme ownership required to lead and make a difference in such complex and dangerous situations.

    • Exercise tactical patience in military operationsIn military operations, avoid hasty decisions and prioritize accurate information to make thoughtful, life-saving choices

      In military operations, especially during counterinsurgency warfare, it's crucial to exercise tactical patience and avoid hasty decisions, even in life-threatening situations. The speaker shared an experience where a misunderstanding led to potential friendly fire, and he was thankful he waited before giving the order to attack. Emotional responses can cloud judgment, and it's essential to ensure that decisions are based on accurate information. The military emphasizes a bias for action but not blind action. Default aggressive behavior can be overruled, and it's essential to prioritize minimizing civilian casualties. In the heat of battle, it's not always easy, but making thoughtful decisions can ultimately save lives and contribute to a successful mission.

    • American troops' commitment to minimizing harm to civiliansAmerican troops went to great lengths to save civilians' lives and uphold American values during the Iraq war, despite complex political situations and casualties.

      Despite the civilian casualties and complex political situation during the Iraq war, American troops went to great lengths to minimize harm to civilians and uphold American values. A governor's personal experience of witnessing American medics saving an insurgent's life in a military hospital was a powerful demonstration of this commitment. Leaders, like Colonel Garensky, faced significant challenges, including casualties and setbacks, but continued to push forward due to their responsibility to their team and the importance of maintaining morale. Communicating successes to troops was also crucial for maintaining motivation during difficult times.

    • Communication and strategic planning in uncertain situationsEffective communication and strategic planning are essential for leaders during complex and chaotic situations, focusing on protecting the populace and having a sufficient mass of troops can lead to success.

      Effective communication and strategic planning are crucial for leaders during complex and chaotic situations. During the U.S. military's deployment in Ramadi, Iraq, there were discussions about various strategies, including a massive push through the city and the possibility of no relief brigade. These decisions were influenced by political considerations and the uncertainty of the situation. The military leaders were trying to figure out the best course of action to ensure progress and stability. The speaker, who was the admiral's aid during that time, recalled the sense of doubt and uncertainty within the military about whether they could win in Iraq. Ultimately, the idea of protecting the populace and having a sufficient mass of troops became the focus, leading to the arrival of a follow-on brigade. This experience highlights the importance of clear communication and strategic planning in the face of uncertainty and complexity.

    • Soldiers and Marines in Iraq demonstrate resilience and adaptabilityUnyielding determination, strong relationships, and agility are crucial for success in challenging environments

      Resilience and adaptability are key to success in challenging environments, as demonstrated by the soldiers and Marines in Iraq. They showed unyielding determination in their daily operations, eliminating bad guys while protecting the populace. Building strong relationships is also crucial, and the attitude of "how can I help you?" is essential for fostering these connections. The National Guard platoon's ability to pivot from motorized infantry to tankers and back again is a testament to their agility and adaptability. This story highlights the power of the American military to make such pivots and thrive in challenging circumstances.

    • War in Ramadi: Intense Combat Against a Determined EnemySoldiers' unique civilian skills aided in combat, but proper decompression time post-deployment is crucial for their well-being.

      The war in Ramadi during the speaker's deployment involved intense combat operations against a well-coordinated enemy with a clear goal of creating a caliphate. The enemy used a full spectrum of weapons and tactics, including RPGs, mortars, machine guns, and vehicle-borne IEDs. The conflict shifted from a Fallujah-style clearance to a counterinsurgency approach as the deployment came to an end. The National Guard soldiers, who brought civilian skills with them, played a crucial role in creating a better infrastructure at combat outposts. Upon returning home, the lack of proper decompression time for soldiers was evident, with some even going straight from the dangerous environment of Ramadi to their civilian jobs. The Guard's unique ability to combine military and civilian skills proved beneficial in combat situations. The speaker emphasizes the importance of allowing soldiers to decompress and spend time with their comrades after deployment.

    • National Guard soldiers' challenges in civilian lifeThe transition back to civilian life for National Guard soldiers can be difficult due to isolation, lack of civilian understanding, and emotional impact on families. Having a new mission or purpose can help prevent idleness and support from families is crucial.

      The transition back to civilian life for National Guard soldiers after serving in a war zone can be challenging. Commander of the 2nd Brigade 28th ID shares his experience of soldiers dealing with isolation, lack of understanding from civilians, and even suicides. He emphasizes the importance of having a new mission or purpose to prevent idleness. The commander also talks about the emotional impact on families when a soldier is killed in action and how important their support is. He shares a personal experience of visiting families of fallen soldiers and creating a war memorial to honor them. Overall, the discussion highlights the unique challenges National Guard soldiers face during and after their military service and the importance of community and support during these transitions.

    • Memorial for Fallen Soldiers in RamadiA unique memorial for fallen soldiers in Ramadi was built, dedicated, deconstructed, and rededicated in a war zone and the US. The annual 'March for the Fallen' honors their sacrifices and keeps their spirit alive.

      During the Iraq War, a memorial was built in Ramadi, dedicated to the fallen soldiers. The memorial was an obelisk with dog tags for each soldier killed hanging inside. The wind blowing through the obelisk caused the dog tags to clink together, symbolizing the fallen warriors continuing to speak to us. The memorial was dedicated on Easter Sunday, April 16, 2006, with about 72 pairs of dog tags. When the troops left Ramadi in June, they deconstructed the memorial and shipped it back to the US. It was rededicated at Fort Indiantown Gap, Pennsylvania, in October 2016. The memorial is unique as it was built, dedicated, deconstructed, and rededicated in a war zone and the US. The memorial march, "March for the Fallen," is held annually in honor of the fallen warriors, where participants ruck march 28 miles with a 35-pound pack. This event keeps the spirit of the fallen warriors alive. Memorial Day is an important holiday to remember and honor the sacrifices made by our fallen warriors and their families. The March for the Fallen is open to the public and has not been canceled. The speaker emphasized the importance of remembering the fallen and their families, as well as the impact of events that honor them on keeping their spirit alive.

    • Remembering the fallen soldiers and their familiesThe sacrifices of fallen soldiers built our great country, and it's our responsibility to honor their memories and values by working together to make it even better, especially for their families.

      The people we have lost in wars continue to inspire us through their spirit. Their sacrifices have built a great country, and it's our responsibility to work together to keep it that way. The speaker, a retired military officer, emphasized the importance of remembering the families of fallen soldiers and the values they fought for. He shared his experiences traveling to 40 different countries and his respect for the United States. The speaker also discussed the imperfections of the country and the need to work together to make it better. An interesting anecdote he shared was about the importance of language and identity, as some parents refused to teach their children the language of their heritage to ensure they fully embraced their American identity.

    • Leadership in Chaotic SituationsEffective leaders demonstrate initiative, encourage it in others, and implement decentralized command for success in dynamic situations. Character, competence, resilience, trust, and true values are crucial for effective leadership.

      Effective leadership involves demonstrating disciplined initiative and encouraging initiative in others, even in chaotic or dynamic situations. This was a valuable lesson learned during distributed operations in Ramadi, and it's crucial for both military and civilian organizations to implement this principle before facing a crisis. The importance of decentralized command, which allows everyone to lead, is also highlighted as a powerful tool for teams to succeed. The speaker, a retired army general, wrote a book about his experiences, including leadership lessons learned during a bicycle trip in 1983, and emphasized the importance of character, competence, and resilience for effective leadership. Trust is also essential, and leaders must be true to their values and cultivate trust by trusting others first.

    • Effective leadership involves putting team first and setting a positive toneLeaders prioritize team needs, communicate vision, problem-solve, make decisions, develop team members, maintain fitness, and demonstrate resilience. Humility, observation, and openness are crucial when starting a new role.

      Effective leadership involves putting the needs of those you lead before your own, communicating a clear vision or action plan, problem-solving, decision-making, developing team members, maintaining personal and professional fitness, and demonstrating resilience. Leaders set the tone for their teams, so it's crucial to exude a positive attitude. The left seat/right seat concept, where one team observes while the other leads, can be an effective way to train and transfer knowledge. When taking over a new role or team, stay humble, absorb information, and be open to learning from others. For more insights, visit John Gronski at Leader Grove LLC (leadergrove.com or jongronski.com), connect with him on social media, or catch his speaking engagements.

    • Effective Leadership: Open Mind, Family, and Team SupportStrong leadership requires a commitment to growth, teamwork, and maintaining a positive mindset, with a focus on loyalty to both team and family, adaptability, and consistent training.

      Effective leadership involves maintaining an open mind and prioritizing the support of family and team members. Jocko Willink, a retired Navy SEAL commander, emphasized the importance of loyalty to both one's unit and family. He also shared the concept of "left seat, right seat," which encourages taking turns being the leader and learner in various situations. Echo Charles added to the discussion by sharing his experience of simplifying training processes and emphasizing the importance of consistency. Additionally, the conversation touched on the importance of adaptability, as demonstrated by Jocko's experiences during the COVID-19 pandemic. Overall, the key takeaway is that strong leadership involves a commitment to growth, teamwork, and maintaining a positive mindset.

    • Maintaining a Strong Immune SystemProper nutrition, supplements, and discipline can help prevent COVID-19 despite significant exposure. Vitamin D3 and immune supplements, along with jiu-jitsu practice, are personal practices shared as anecdotal evidence to boost immunity.

      Maintaining a strong immune system through proper nutrition, supplements, and discipline may help prevent contracting COVID-19, even with significant exposure. The speaker, who had traveled extensively before the pandemic and was involved in close interactions with large crowds, remained COVID-free. He attributes his health to his daily intake of vitamin D3 and immune supplements, as well as his jiu-jitsu practice. While he cannot definitively claim that these supplements prevent COVID-19, he shares his personal experience as anecdotal evidence. Additionally, he emphasizes the importance of American-made products, including denim and boots, which can be purchased through Originmain.com and Jockostore.com.

    • Respecting inboxes and engaging audiencesEcho values respecting subscribers' inboxes, encourages feedback, and offers content through multiple platforms for diverse engagement.

      Echo Charles values the importance of respecting people's inboxes and only sending meaningful emails to his subscribers. He also encourages feedback if he sends an email that is not worth opening. Additionally, he has various platforms including a podcast, YouTube channel, and email list, where people can engage with his content. He also mentioned his respect for psychological warfare and pushing through moments of weakness. The podcast offers a 3-hour long version for those who prefer in-depth conversations, while the YouTube channel offers enhanced visuals and sound effects for those who prefer a more engaging experience. Overall, Echo's approach is about providing value and engaging with his audience in a meaningful way across various platforms.

    • Push through moments of weakness with a strong mindsetBelieve in self-punishment for not giving best effort, use practical methods to stay focused, seek guidance from experienced leaders

      Having the right mindset during challenging moments is crucial for personal growth and achieving goals. This means getting genuinely angry with yourself when you want to quit or give up, and pushing through the moment of weakness. It's not just about trying to feel guilty or reminding yourself of what you should be doing, but truly believing that you deserve punishment for not giving your best effort. If you can't get there mentally, consider using practical methods like psychological warfare or visual reminders to help you stay focused. Additionally, there are various resources available, such as books, webinars, and events, that can provide guidance and support in developing a strong mindset and effective leadership skills. Remember, all problems stem from leadership issues, so seeking help and learning from experienced leaders can make a significant difference.

    • Effective Communication and UnderstandingClear, concise, and respectful communication is essential for building strong relationships and achieving success. Active listening and empathy are key components, as well as a willingness to admit mistakes and learn from them.

      Effective communication and understanding are crucial for building strong relationships and achieving success. Echo and Jocko discussed the importance of clear, concise, and respectful communication in various aspects of life, including military leadership and personal relationships. They emphasized the importance of active listening and empathy, and warned against the dangers of misunderstandings and assumptions. Effective communication also requires a willingness to admit mistakes and learn from them. Overall, the conversation underscored the importance of prioritizing understanding and connection in all areas of life.

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