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    298: The Way of The Frogman. "By The Water Beneath The Walls" With Ben Milligan.

    enSeptember 08, 2021

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    • Overcoming challenges in Vietnam WarThe SEALs in Det Gulf faced initial difficulties but adapted, innovated, and persevered, leading to increased operational successes and expanded mission capabilities.

      Despite initial challenges and setbacks, the SEALs of Det Gulf in the Vietnam War persevered and innovated, leading to significant operational successes. They improved their tactics, built up their firepower, and experimented with new approaches, eventually expanding their mission capabilities and earning approval for an increase in personnel. Through their determination and resilience, they transformed their base into a mobile command center and turned the tables on the enemy, leading to increased encounters and a more substantial impact on the war effort.

    • A SEAL's Unique Perspective on the History of the SEAL TeamsBen Milligan, a former SEAL and author, shares his personal connection to the SEAL teams' history and emphasizes the importance of understanding their sacrifices in his comprehensive book 'By the Water Beneath the Walls'.

      The SEALs' confidence and lethality during the Vietnam War were unmatched among other units, as detailed in Benjamin Milligan's comprehensive history book "By the Water Beneath the Walls." Milligan, a former SEAL, adds a unique perspective to the history of the SEAL teams, from their origins as scouts and raiders to underwater demolition teams. Growing up in a medical family, Ben Milligan had an unconventional path to the SEAL teams, not through athletic ability but as a determined and hardworking individual. His father, an ear, nose, and throat surgeon in a small Indiana town, was a local celebrity, and Ben's mother stayed at home to care for their family. Ben's background connects him to the SEAL teams' history and emphasizes the importance of understanding the sacrifices made by those who came before us. This book is a must-read for anyone interested in the SEALs to gain a deeper appreciation for their origins and the legacy they have left behind.

    • Overcoming Adversity to Pursue DreamsDetermination and passion for goals can help individuals overcome challenges and succeed, even if they lack natural talent in certain areas.

      Despite facing challenges and adversity, such as being the slowest runner in high school cross country races due to nerves, and later being the slowest swimmer at BUDS, the individual persisted and followed his dreams. Growing up, he was influenced by his grandpa's military service in World War 2 and his passion for history. He knew he wanted to join the military and become a Navy SEAL from a young age. Although he lacked natural talent in some areas, such as swimming, he pushed through and eventually succeeded. He had a deep interest in history and was influenced by his family's love for learning. In college, he attended Purdue University to study history, but his focus was on getting good grades rather than enjoying the subject. Despite not having a strong initial interest in academics, his determination and passion for his goals ultimately led him to success in the military.

    • A heartfelt conversation changed the course of his lifeUnexpected events and conversations can alter life's direction. Making informed decisions and being prepared for challenges are key.

      Sometimes unexpected events or conversations can significantly alter the course of our lives. The speaker shares how a heartfelt conversation with his mother in the parking lot of a Navy recruiting office prevented him from joining the military right out of high school. Instead, he attended college and discovered a passion for history. Despite a lack of direction in his academic pursuits, he managed to graduate in four years and attempted to join the Navy's Officer Candidate School (OCS). However, his application was weak, and he ultimately enlisted instead. His experience in boot camp was a shock, but he persevered and trained for the rigors of BUDs (Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL training) with the help of ROTC trainees. The story underscores the importance of making informed decisions and being prepared for the challenges that come our way.

    • Overcoming Swimming Struggles in BUDsDespite struggles, determination and seeking help led to graduation from BUDs. Adaptation to unexpected changes and staying focused are crucial in high-pressure situations.

      Determination and perseverance were key factors in the speaker's success in BUDs (Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL training). Despite struggling with swimming, he didn't give up but instead sought help from Master Chief Knepper and continued to practice every weekend. His dedication paid off, and he eventually graduated from BUDs in 2001. However, his plans to be deployed to SEAL Team 10 were changed due to paperwork mix-ups, and he ended up at SEAL Team 4 instead. During his time there, he served as the intel rep of his platoon. The platoon's workup was average, and they were mostly on standby for potential deployments to conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq. The speaker's swimming struggles came back to haunt him during a hydrographic reconnaissance mission in Liberia when he got tangled in his lead line and was unable to free himself. With the world watching from the CNN cameras, he managed to cut himself free just in time before being slammed by a wave. The experience served as a reminder of the importance of being prepared and staying focused in high-pressure situations. Overall, the speaker's story highlights the importance of staying committed to goals, seeking help when needed, and adapting to unexpected changes.

    • Stories of Resilience and AdaptabilityEven in the face of unexpected challenges or setbacks, individuals can find opportunities for growth and success by remaining resilient and adaptable.

      Even when faced with unexpected challenges or setbacks, individuals can find opportunities for growth and success. The speaker in this conversation shared various experiences from his military career, including swimming with a knife in his mouth during hydrographic reconnaissance, working as a contractor in Iraq, and being recalled to active duty after leaving the SEAL teams. Despite these challenges, he remained determined to return to the teams and become an officer. His perseverance paid off when he was activated as a reservist and assigned to a platoon, ultimately leading him back to the SEAL teams. This story illustrates the importance of resilience and adaptability in overcoming obstacles and achieving goals.

    • Learning on the job in a challenging environmentDetermination and adaptability can lead to unexpected opportunities. Seize new skills and be open to learning in uncertain situations.

      Determination and adaptability can lead to unexpected opportunities, even in challenging environments. The speaker, a former radio telephone operator and JTAC (Joint Terminal Attack Controller) in the military, shared his experience of teaching himself this role during a deployment in Iraq, despite not having formal training. He also recounted how he parlayed this experience into a job at WARCOM and eventually earned a commission in the reserves while balancing family life. Through his experiences, he emphasized the importance of seizing opportunities and being open to learning new skills, even when faced with uncertainty.

    • Unexpected opportunities from failurePerseverance and determination can lead to success despite initial setbacks and long timelines.

      Determination and resilience, even in the face of failure, can lead to unexpected opportunities and success. The speaker shares his experience of struggling in a textile manufacturing job, which ultimately led him to a chance encounter with a literary agent at a funeral. Despite receiving a 2-year contract with the expectation of delivering a history book in that timeframe, the speaker knew it would take longer and worked diligently to teach himself the craft of writing. Through hard work and perseverance, he eventually delivered a high-quality product and achieved success. This story highlights the importance of staying committed to one's goals and being open to new experiences, even when the path forward may not be clear.

    • A detailed account of the history of U.S. Navy SEAL teamsThis book brings to life the origins and challenges faced by U.S. Navy SEAL teams through extensive research, firsthand accounts, and vivid storytelling.

      The discussed book, "SEAL Team Six: Memoirs of an Elite Navy Seal Sniper," is an exceptional and detailed account of the history of the U.S. Navy SEAL teams. The author highlights the challenges and obstacles faced in establishing these elite units, which were essential for direct action raids. The book's value lies in its extensive research, capturing firsthand accounts, and vivid storytelling that makes history come alive. The raiders' experiences during World War 2, as described in the book, demonstrate the risks and uncertainties they faced, even before reaching their targets. The SEAL teams' origins are rooted in the Navy's commitment to maintaining such specialized forces, despite resistance from other branches of the military. Overall, this book is a must-read for anyone interested in military history and the origins of the U.S. Navy SEAL teams.

    • The Marine Corps' desire for independence led to the creation of elite commando unitsThe unique objectives and priorities of each military branch shaped the formation of special operations units, with the Marine Corps' push for independence resulting in the creation of elite commando units like the SEALs, despite early setbacks and challenges.

      The creation of military special operations units, such as the Raiders and later the SEALs, was driven by the unique objectives and priorities of each branch of the military at different points in history. The Marine Corps, for instance, during World War II, prioritized establishing itself as a parallel army and did not want to be subservient to the Navy or any other branch. This attitude led to the disastrous outcome of the Macon Island raid, where Marine Corps leaders were hesitant to support the Navy's mission and ultimately paid the price in lives lost. However, despite the challenges and delays, the heroic efforts of the men on the ground ultimately paved the way for the formation of elite commando units like the SEALs. The complex history of these units and their origins highlights the importance of understanding the motivations and contexts of military leaders and the impact of their decisions on the battlefield.

    • Jim Tunney's vision led to the formation of U.S. Navy's first amphibious commando unitA former boxing champion and fitness instructor, Tunney's belief in physical fitness and strong character for national security inspired the creation of the U.S. Navy's Underwater Demolition Team, the precursor to the Navy SEALs.

      The determination and physical prowess of Lieutenant Commander James J. "Gentleman Jim" Tunney played a significant role in the formation of the U.S. Navy's first amphibious commando unit during World War II. Tunney, a former heavyweight boxing champion and fitness instructor, was instrumental in attracting volunteers for the unit, which included educated muscle men and athletes. His belief in the importance of physical fitness and strong character for national security led him to push for the creation of a unit dedicated to land warfare. Despite initial challenges, Tunney's vision and influence eventually led to the formation of the Navy's Underwater Demolition Team (UDT), the precursor to the U.S. Navy SEALs. Tunney's story highlights the impact of individual persistence and vision in shaping military history.

    • The SEAL teams were diverse, including athletes from various backgroundsDespite differences in size, age, and background, perseverance, adaptability, and pursuit of excellence led athletes to become indispensable SEAL team members

      The SEAL teams were not made up only of SEALs, but also included athletes from various backgrounds who brought unique skills and experiences to the table. For instance, Phil Bucklew, a football star from Ohio, and Robert Buck Halperin, a Jewish immigrant from Chicago, both joined the Navy and eventually the SEALs, despite their differences in size, age, and background. Their stories demonstrate the importance of perseverance, adaptability, and the pursuit of excellence, even when faced with obstacles or unexpected opportunities. These athletes, who were initially dismissed or overlooked by other military branches, became indispensable members of the SEAL teams and made significant contributions during their service.

    • Forming the Amphibious Commandos in the US MilitaryThrough grueling training at Little Creek under Lt. Petticord, volunteers became the first US amphibious commandos, inspiring further research and a deeper understanding of their motivations and experiences.

      The beginning of the formation of the amphibious commandos in the US military during World War II was a challenging and intensive process. Buck Halperin and his fellow volunteers, after being transported from the Solomon Islands, arrived at a remote training facility called Little Creek in Virginia. There, they were greeted by Lieutenant Lloyd Petticord, a stern and demanding trainer who prepared them for the rigors of amphibious warfare through grueling exercises. The author's personal connection to the topic came from his childhood fascination with British Commandos and their amphibious capabilities. To research and write the book, the author used a variety of sources, including existing literature, archival material, and interviews with family members of the subjects. The most valuable archives were the National Archives in Maryland and the Marine Corps Archive in Quantico. The author's approach was to start with broad research and then narrow in on the individuals he wanted to focus on, using their letters, writings, and family members to gain a deeper understanding of their traits and motivations. The process of researching and writing the book involved a great deal of perseverance and attention to detail.

    • The Role of Major William Orlando Darby in the Navy SEALs' OriginMajor Darby, a charismatic and determined leader of the Rangers, played a crucial role in shaping the Navy's decision to create a land-focused commando force, the Navy SEALs.

      The history of the Navy SEALs is deeply intertwined with other military units and institutions, such as the Army Rangers. The Navy's development of a land-focused commando force was not a foregone conclusion, and understanding why other units didn't claim this role first is key to appreciating why the Navy felt compelled to do so. One pivotal figure in this story is Major William Orlando Darby, the Rangers' commander, who was born in 1911 and grew up with a strong sense of destiny. Darby, described as having a ruddy face, wide mouth, and a mysterious scar, was a direct, forceful leader who believed his men could excel at any mission. Despite personal tragedies and setbacks, he remained good-humored and irrepressible. Darby's attitude and leadership style would prove instrumental in the Rangers' first combat experience in Dieppe, France, in 1942. The full story, filled with intriguing details and epic operations, is worth exploring in the book.

    • The Distraction of Overfocusing on One AspectOverfocusing on one aspect can distract from the overall goal and lead to downfall. The importance of maintaining focus on the original purpose is crucial for success.

      Focusing too much on one aspect of a story or battle can distract from the overall progression and goal. The Rangers, a naval commando force, serve as an example of this. Their capabilities and expertise were initially valued, but as the army began to integrate their tactics into the rest of the infantry, they were used less effectively as commandos and more as suicidal spearheaders. This loss of focus on their original purpose ultimately led to their downfall. The Rangers' battles, such as the one at Dieppe, demonstrate their incredible fighting abilities, but also highlight the importance of maintaining the reasons for creating a specialized force. This lesson can be applied to various aspects of life and leadership.

    • Creating and abandoning commando unitsThroughout history, commando units have been created to provide unique capabilities but have often been misused and disbanded, leaving a gap in military strategies and a lack of consistent support for their successors.

      The US Army Rangers, inspired by Churchill's commandos, were created during World War 2 to provide infantry experience and support, but they were often misused and their unique capabilities were diminished. During the Battle of Cisterna, Darby's Rangers faced impossible odds and suffered heavy losses. Despite their heroics, the Rangers were disbanded shortly after the war, leaving a gap in the US military's order of battle for a unit specializing in raiding. This pattern of creating and abandoning commando units continued throughout history, with the US Navy being the frequent commando partner left in the lurch. For instance, Draper Kauffman and his team played a crucial role in cracking the Atlantic Wall and laying the foundation for the legend of naval special warfare. However, their successes were not consistently recognized or supported, leaving them to face similar challenges in the future.

    • A young man's determination to serve his country despite visual impairmentDetermined individual overcomes visual impairment to serve in American Volunteer Ambulance Corps during WWII, inspiring us with his sacrifices

      Lawrence Kaufman, an ambitious and determined young man, went to great lengths to serve his country despite numerous obstacles. Born with poor eyesight, Kaufman's dream of attending the naval academy and commanding a destroyer seemed impossible. After escaping from a boarding school and begging for an appointment, he was accepted but ultimately disqualified from the Navy due to his eyesight. Undeterred, Kaufman joined the American Volunteer Ambulance Corps during World War II, paying a hefty price for the opportunity to serve. Despite the challenges, Kaufman's story serves as a reminder of the sacrifices individuals make to follow their convictions and serve their country, even when the odds seem insurmountable.

    • A brave soldier's impact on World War IIDraper Kaufman, despite eyesight issues, saved lives in London during the Blitz and contributed significantly to naval special warfare history

      Draper Kaufman was a brave and resourceful soldier who made a significant impact during both World War II and the early stages of the United States' involvement in the Pacific Theater of World War II. Despite being denied duty at sea due to his eyesight, Kaufman's quick thinking and expertise in bomb disposal saved countless lives during the Blitz on London. However, it's important to note that while Kaufman was a pivotal figure in naval special warfare history, he did not single-handedly create the UDT or the frogmen as some may suggest. Instead, he was a consequential person whose actions and contributions left a lasting impact on the military.

    • Agents of History: Individuals Shaping Their DestinyIntentional decision-making and personal agency can lead to profound consequences in history.

      The individuals profiled in the book, including Draper Kaufman, were not mere victims of history but active agents making intentional decisions that shaped history. Despite facing adversity, they all sought relevance and decided to take actions that left significant impacts. For instance, while Draper Kaufman is not the "father of America's frogmen," he was a crucial figure in the development of underwater demolition teams due to his extensive experience and vision. To create such a unit, Kaufman required dedicated individuals, which led him to push potential students to their limits through intense training. This approach created a sense of purpose and unity among the trainees, preparing them for the challenges of war. Ultimately, the individuals in the book demonstrate that intentional decision-making and personal agency can lead to profound consequences.

    • Creating a Legendary Navy Training Program: Hell WeekPushing trainees to their limits builds a strong team spirit and reputation, even with a high dropout rate.

      Navy instructor Draper Kaufman's notoriously grueling "Hell Week" training program was designed to forge a unique esprit de corps among demolitioneers. This intensive training simulated the harsh realities of war, pushing trainees to their physical and mental limits. Despite the high dropout rate, Kaufman believed that this exclusivity was essential for creating a strong team spirit and reputation. He himself endured the training, inspiring his men with his determination and grit. The successful completion of Hell Week marked the beginning of a demanding demolitions training program. This account of Kaufman's creation of a legendary Navy training program highlights the importance of pushing boundaries and enduring hardships to build a strong, elite team.

    • The crucial role of Navy's UDTs in D-Day invasionUDTs, especially NCDUs, prepared for underwater obstacles at Omaha Beach through rigorous training, completed their mission despite heavy casualties, and contributed to the development of the SEAL teams.

      The Navy's Underwater Demolition Teams (UDT), specifically the NCDUs, played a crucial role in the success of the D-Day invasion at Omaha Beach. Their training at Fort Pierce, which included rigorous physical and mental challenges like Hell Week, prepared them to overcome the underwater obstacles and push past their limits in combat. Despite heavy casualties, the NCDUs completed their mission, paving the way for the army to advance. After the mission, the Navy recognized their achievements with individual awards, including six Navy Crosses. The Navy's commitment to identifying and solving the underwater obstacle problem was essential to the success of the invasion. The NCDUs' experience and training made them valuable assets for the rest of the war, and their legacy contributed to the development of the SEAL teams. Without their crucible of training, the SEAL teams may not have become the elite force they are today.

    • Identifying the need for Underwater Demolition Teams during the Battle of TarawaAdmiral Turner's determination to overcome the challenges of navigating through coral reefs during amphibious landings led to the creation of Underwater Demolition Teams, revolutionizing tactics and enabling successful landings.

      During the Battle of Tarawa in World War II, the need for Underwater Demolition Teams (UDTs) was identified due to the challenges of navigating through coral reefs during amphibious landings. The Marines proposed the use of Landing Vehicle Trackators (LVTs), but Admiral Kelly Turner disapproved, preferring to remove the coral to allow for faster and safer deployment of Higgins boats. After Tarawa, the Marines continued to rely on bringing more resources, but Turner advocated for finding solutions to the problem. This led to intense training for UDTs in Hawaii, where they learned to map underwater landscapes and use explosives. The training was grueling, with long hours underwater and frequent accidents. Despite the challenges, the UDTs were crucial in enabling successful amphibious landings, paving the way for the concept of the "naked warrior" and reconnaissance swims. Turner's determination to overcome the technical problem led to significant advancements in amphibious warfare tactics.

    • UDTs played crucial role in WWII amphibious opsUDTs discovered and demolished obstacles, enabling successful landings, and their impact was significant in Central Pacific campaigns.

      The Navy's Underwater Demolition Teams (UDTs) played a crucial role in the success of the US military's amphibious operations during World War II. Despite the risks and losses, UDTs pushed the boundaries of their mission and provided valuable intelligence for better battle plans. Kaufman, the UDT commander, demonstrated the Navy's decentralized command and the importance of trusting individual commanders to make decisions in the heat of battle. The UDTs' impact was significant, as they were responsible for preparing the way for landings by discovering and demolishing obstacles that would have otherwise hindered the invasion. Their contributions were essential to the success of the Central Pacific campaigns and were echoed by top military leaders. The Navy's creation of specialized units like the UDTs had unintended consequences, as the individuals within these institutions pushed the boundaries of their missions and ultimately shaped the course of military history.

    • Inter-service rivalries and sacrifices during wartimeAdmiral Connolly's UDT team played a crucial role in the Battle of the Marianas, with recognition and risks allowed, while Milton E. Roberts' experiences in China shaped Navy leadership, diplomacy, and geography, contributing significantly to Navy history despite being forgotten.

      Inter-service rivalries and the pursuit of institutional authority existed even among the senior ranks during wartime, leading to significant accomplishments and sacrifices. For instance, Admiral Connolly's team, the UDTs, played a crucial role in the Battle of the Marianas and were recognized with numerous awards. However, despite the father-son relationship between Commodore Kaufman and UDT commander Draper, Kaufman did not interfere, allowing the UDTs to continue taking risks. Meanwhile, Milton E. Roberts, a Navy sailor born in a lawless mining town, had a significant impact on the Navy's journey from the ocean to the land during China's warlord period. Roberts' experiences in China shaped his understanding of leadership, diplomacy, and geography, making him an essential figure in Navy history. Despite his contributions, Roberts is largely forgotten, and his story is not as well-known as other historical figures. However, his experiences and accomplishments are just as significant in understanding the Navy's evolution.

    • Admiral Miles' Guerrilla War in China through SACOAdmiral Miles led a successful guerrilla war in China through the Sino-American Cooperation Organization, training Chinese guerrillas and repurposing programs to send marine-type sailors ashore, demonstrating impressive leadership in a complex military operation with limited resources and communication.

      During World War 2, Admiral Miles, a flag officer in the U.S. Navy, led an extraordinary guerrilla war in China through the Sino-American Cooperation Organization (SACO). He managed a network of naval camps, which were run mostly by marines, and trained Chinese guerrillas to commit ambushes and skirmishes against the enemy. Despite having no communication with these units, Miles assessed their aggressiveness through reports. Towards the end of the war, with the scouts and raider program ending, Miles repurposed it into the amphibious rider school to send "marine-type sailors" to SACO. Camp 6, led by a naval special warfare member, became the repository of this experience, with figures like Buck Halpern and Bucklew leading raids and ship attacks. This marked the first instance of naval special warfare going ashore and showcases Miles' impressive leadership in managing a complex military operation with limited resources and communication.

    • SEAL teams' decentralized approach: A double-edged swordThe SEAL teams' lack of formal doctrine led to both effective problem-solving and coordination challenges, with long-term consequences for their leaders' well-being.

      The SEAL teams' lack of formal doctrine was both a strength and a weakness. While it allowed for flexibility and quick problem-solving, it also resulted in a lack of clear guidance and led to challenges in implementing and coordinating operations. This decentralized approach was rooted in the teams' DNA and traced back to their origins at Camp 6 during World War II. Despite the challenges, the SEAL teams' successes, such as the SACO mission, were significant, with impressive statistics in terms of casualties inflicted on the enemy and resources utilized. However, the personal toll on the SEAL teams' leaders, including Miles, was immense, with sacrifices made at the expense of their health, families, and even their sanity. The aftermath of the war brought its own challenges, including bureaucracy and scrutiny, which further tested the SEAL teams' resilience.

    • Navy takes over army's mission, transforms RodgersThe Navy's investment in the Rodgers during the army's waning interest led to its transformation into a successful commando force during the Korean War, signifying the Navy's growing role in military operations.

      The Navy's infrastructure and resources intended for a specific military unit, in this case the Rodgers, caused confusion and eventual loss of control when the army's interest waned. This led to the navy taking over the entire mission, transforming the Rodgers from a joint army-navy unit into a commando force. However, the navy's investment in the Rodgers paid off during the Korean War, resulting in the Navy's first successful raid in the modern era. Despite the complex history, the Rodgers' transformation from scouts and raiders to amphibious Rogers signified the Navy's evolution from support role to a significant military force. The war's end brought about the dismantling of the naval base, leaving only memories and remnants of the Rodgers' past.

    • Navy sponsors raids ashore during Korean War, marking UDT's transition from reconnaissance to going ashoreLeadership, planning, and resourcefulness are crucial for success in challenging situations, as demonstrated by UDT's transition during the Korean War and the experiences of individuals like John Magee.

      During the Korean War, the Navy saw an opportunity to sponsor raids ashore due to the North Korean geography and the US military's situation in the Pusan Perimeter. This marked the transition for UDT, the only special operations unit to survive disbandment in World War 2, from beach marking and reconnaissance to going ashore with various forces. John Magee, one of the characters mentioned, had an extraordinary World War 2 experience. Captured and imprisoned, he survived through his Catholic faith and escape plans, eventually escaping and leading Filipino guerrillas against the Japanese. The determination and resilience of individuals like Magee highlight the importance of leadership, planning, and resourcefulness in challenging situations.

    • Lieutenant Watson's Longing to Lead and DisappointmentsLieutenant Watson, a talented military leader, faced numerous disappointments and longed to lead an army. Despite valuable ideas during the war, he was often sidelined due to lack of experience. In Korea, he formed McGee's Rangers and implemented successful strategies, but his ideas were disregarded, leaving him feeling unfulfilled.

      Despite serving in the war for years and having valuable ideas, Lieutenant Watson faced numerous disappointments and was often sidelined. He longed to lead an army but was outranked by those with more experience. After the war, he finally met his daughter and was eager to prove himself in Korea. There, he formed McGee's Rangers and implemented many of his ideas, which significantly impacted the army. However, his ideas were often disregarded by the army, leaving him feeling unfulfilled. During a mission, the destruction of their radio threatened their survival, but they were saved by the timely arrival of helicopters. Throughout his military career, Watson's frustration grew as his ideas were not fully embraced, leaving him feeling that he never truly achieved his goals.

    • Treatment of Special Operations Units during Korean WarDespite army's failure to recognize unique capabilities, determination and resilience of special operations soldiers kept them from disbandment during Korean War

      During the Korean War, the treatment of special operations units, such as the Rangers, by the army was similar to how they were treated during World War 2. The army created the rangers, attached them to divisions for control, but failed to recognize their unique capabilities, leading to their use as frontline infantry and heavy casualties. This pattern resulted in the rangers being on the brink of disbandment. The only thing that kept them from being disbanded was a deep penetration raid, like the one planned by Colonel John Hugh McGhee for Watson and his team, which aimed to destroy a tunnel behind enemy lines. However, the mission was thwarted before it even began, and the chances of success were diminished, yet the team still went ahead with it. Despite the challenges and setbacks, the determination and resilience of soldiers like Watson continued to set an example for captivity that has never been exceeded.

    • Untold Stories of POW Heroes: Martin Watson's Bravery and LeadershipResearching a POW's experience led to a 750-page report filled with detailed accounts of his bravery and leadership, demonstrating the importance of uncovering unsung heroes' stories.

      The untold stories of unsung heroes like Martin Watson, who went to extraordinary lengths to survive and lead during times of war, can be hidden in history. Researching Watson's experience as a POW during the Korean War led the researcher on a journey to uncover a 750-page report, which turned out to be a gold mine filled with detailed accounts of Watson's captivity and heroism. Despite initial expectations, the report contained not only Watson's own interviews but also interviews from his fellow captives, all sharing the same remarkable stories about his bravery and leadership. Watson's selfless actions during the Virginia One mission and his resilience in the POW camps demonstrated his unwavering dedication to his men and his country. Although the lack of clear chronology in the report makes writing a factual book about Watson challenging, the wealth of information available in the report provides enough material for a compelling work of fiction.

    • The Impact of Leaders on the Development of U.S. Navy SEALsBert's struggles and arrests highlighted the psychological toll of war, while Burke's decentralized command tactics led to a more agile and responsive naval force, shaping the history of U.S. Navy SEALs.

      The experiences and leadership styles of individuals like Bert, a troubled WW2 veteran, and Arleigh Burke, a bold and decentralized Navy commander, played significant roles in shaping the development of the U.S. Navy's SEAL teams. Bert's post-war struggles and arrests demonstrate the psychological impact of war, while Burke's innovative command tactics led to a more agile and responsive naval force. During the Bay of Pigs invasion, Burke's trust in his commanders to make decisions on the battlefield proved crucial, setting a precedent for the SEAL teams' autonomous operations. Both men's stories illustrate the complex and interconnected history of the U.S. Navy and its elite special forces.

    • Championing an Offensive Navy and Unconventional Military OrganizationsArleigh Burke and Colonel Bill Yarbrough defied traditional military roles and pushed for innovative approaches, shaping the US Navy and military as a whole.

      Arleigh Burke, a pivotal figure in US Navy history, refused to let other branches of the military define the navy's role. He was determined to keep the navy an offensive force and championed the idea of limited war capabilities. Burke's influence was significant, as he served as CNO for an unprecedented six years. However, writing about him presented challenges, particularly in accessing information about his involvement in the Bay of Pigs incident. Despite these challenges, the accounts of those involved provide valuable insights into Burke's character and his ambition for an unconventional military organization. Another character, Colonel Bill Yarbrough, was an unexpected choice to run the special warfare center at Fort Bragg, but his conventional appearance hid his desire for an unconventional military organization. Both Burke and Yarbrough's stories demonstrate the importance of challenging conventional thinking and pushing for innovation within the military.

    • Revolutionizing Military Training with CounterinsurgencyWorld War 2 hero General Yarbrough introduced unconventional methods like teaching farming and discipline to create modern special forces, despite resistance.

      General William Yarbrough, a World War 2 hero, revolutionized military training by focusing on counterinsurgency and winning the hearts and minds of local populations, rather than just combat. His unconventional methods, such as teaching farming and animal husbandry, were met with resistance from traditional military personnel. Yarbrough's disciplinary approach, including strict moral and disciplinary standards, aimed to create a new start for special forces. Despite challenges, Yarbrough's philosophy became the foundation for modern special forces training.

    • Special Forces didn't follow the predictable patternYarborough led the shift of SEAL Team 1 from traditional commando roles to a mission inspired by Kennedy's vision of turning third world people into an army of freedom

      The military units, whether navy, army, or marine corps, followed a predictable pattern of being created, committed to action, and either retained in the order of battle or disbanded. However, when studying the history of special forces, the thesis began to crumble as they did not fit this pattern. Instead, they were reoriented to non-commando type missions. This shift was led by Yarborough. The gap that other Raider units filled and then got disbanded, he did not enter. Instead, he went into a different gap, which was created by President Kennedy. Kennedy was inspired by the movie "Spartacus" to turn legions of third world people into an army of freedom. Yarborough bought into this vision and SEAL Team 1 was commissioned on January 1, 1962, with a mission to carry out this vision.

    • Bucklew's Military Career and Influence on Naval WarfareBucklew's military background and relationships allowed him to shape naval special warfare units and influence naval warfare in significant ways, including leading the first wave of floating tanks to Omaha Beach during D-Day and writing a crucial report on the Navy's role in Vietnam.

      Phil Bucklew, a former football player and naval officer, played a pivotal role in the formation and success of various naval special warfare units throughout history. From the creation of the UDTs and SEAL teams, to leading the first wave of floating tanks to Omaha Beach during D-Day, Bucklew's impressive military record and ability to form relationships allowed him to influence naval warfare in significant ways. However, when the original commander of a survey team sent to determine the Navy's role in Vietnam was sent home, Bucklew was tasked with writing a report to figure out the Navy's objectives in Vietnam. Despite the uncertainty and hesitance of naval leadership to engage in Vietnam, Bucklew's expertise and experience proved invaluable in navigating this new theater of war.

    • Report on Countering Communist Infiltration by Phil BucklewPhil Bucklew's report emphasized the importance of a strong navy presence, including more boats, teams, and checkpoints, and recommended navy-led raids against enemy forces, leading to new vessels, organizations, and missions.

      During the Vietnam War, Phil Bucklew, a former naval officer with extensive inland experience, was put in charge of a report on countering communist infiltration in South Vietnam. Bucklew's report, which he drafted himself, emphasized the importance of a comprehensive navy presence in countering infiltration, including more boats, boarding teams, and checkpoints. He also recommended navy-led raids against enemy forces, highlighting the navy's role in overwater transport and raiding. The report, which was distributed to navy, MACV, and joint chiefs of staff leaders, challenged the navy to adopt a more direct approach to fighting the war, leading to the development of new vessels, organizations, and missions. Bucklew's humility and focus on the navy's traditional strengths, such as blockades and amphibious warfare, set the stage for the navy's expanding role in counterinsurgency operations, eventually leading to the creation of SEAL teams.

    • SEALs Adapt to Inland Warfare in VietnamThe SEALs' experiences in Vietnam led to expanded operational boundaries, infantry tactics training, and showcased their adaptability and resilience.

      The Navy's SEAL teams went through significant transformations during the Vietnam War to adapt to the changing nature of the war. Initially, the SEALs were focused on maritime operations, but as the war moved inland, they had to adjust their training and tactics. SEAL Team 1, in particular, created a pre-deployment course in infantry tactics to prepare for inland warfare. This led to the Navy officially expanding the SEALs' operational boundaries to include land warfare. The SEALs' experiences in Vietnam influenced future training and operations, with the desert training facility playing a key role. During a mission, Gallagher and his team found themselves in a difficult situation, but they managed to calm the local family, tend to the wounded, and get their radio working. Despite encountering enemy movement and having limited resources, they were eventually rescued. These experiences showcased the SEALs' adaptability and resilience in the face of challenging circumstances.

    • Effective communication saves livesClear and urgent communication between military branches can lead to life-saving support in critical situations.

      The SEAL team's survival hinged on effective communication and cooperation with other military branches during a critical moment in their mission. Initially, Gallagher's decision to prioritize the radio call over securing his position left his team vulnerable and alone against an encroaching enemy force. However, when the situation became dire, the Seawolf helicopters arrived to provide cover and extract the wounded, thanks to clear and urgent communication from the SEAL team. Despite some disagreements among accounts, it's clear that the Navy pilots went above and beyond to help their ground team, even risking their own lives to land in a hostile area. The outcome underscores the importance of unity and collaboration among military units, especially during high-pressure situations.

    • The Legacy of SEAL Team 2's 7th PlatoonThis platoon's impact went beyond operational successes, setting a standard for intel-driven raids, teamwork, and selflessness. Their legacy is a culmination of best practices from various military units, but the importance of individual stories and recognition is crucial.

      The SEAL Team 2's 7th Platoon left a significant impact on military history, particularly through their intel-driven raids and follow-on operations. However, the importance of this platoon extends beyond their operational successes. They set a standard for the cycle of operations that is still used today, and their legacy is a culmination of the best practices from various military units. Moreover, the selflessness of individuals like Pete Peterson, who submitted awards for his team members without seeking recognition for himself, underscores the importance of teamwork and putting the mission first. Unfortunately, some of the key figures in this story, such as Ron Yaw, Minh, and Bob Gallagher, have passed away, making it all the more crucial to preserve their stories and legacies. Lastly, the arbitrary nature of awards was highlighted, with some individuals receiving recognition that seemed insufficient for their heroic actions, while others were overlooked. The story serves as a reminder that awards do not always accurately reflect the true value and contributions of individuals.

    • How the Navy SEALs Became the Most Aggressive Commandos in VietnamThe Navy SEALs' success in Vietnam came from their own culture and aggressive attitude towards ambushing, despite infringing on Navy charter due to army's neglect of its commando units and Navy senior officers allowing more latitude.

      The Navy SEALs' success in creating a land-focused commando force in Vietnam came about due to a combination of factors, including the neglect of the US army's commando units, the Navy's senior officers allowing for more latitude, and the SEALs' own culture and aggressive attitude towards ambushing. The first academic-level study of the SEAL teams, conducted by Francis J. Bing West, discovered that the SEALs had evolved from lackluster coastal raiders to the war's most aggressive direct action commandos, despite their mission exceeding the charter of the US Navy. The report, published by the Rand Corporation in 1969, aimed to discover how the Navy had managed to create such a force, and West's research included interviews, documents, and firsthand observation of SEAL missions in the Rungsat and Mekong Delta. The report's true purpose was to understand how the Navy had achieved this, as the Marine Corps had failed to create anything similar. The author noted that the SEALs' infringement on Navy charter had been tolerated due to its small size but had been allowed to widen due to various factors, including the army's neglect of its commando units and the Navy's senior officers allowing for more latitude to compensate for dreary tours. Ultimately, the author concluded that the SEALs' own culture and aggressive attitude towards ambushing were the most significant factors in their success.

    • The SEALs' unique role in the Vietnam WarDespite limited resources, the SEALs adapted to their environment, conducting reconnaissance and learning from their mistakes, making them exceptional soldiers in a decentralized war setting.

      The SEALs, an elite military unit known for their physical hardiness and courage, found themselves in a unique situation during the Vietnam War. With a small number of personnel and no larger force to support or control them, they lacked the resources to engage in traditional advisory duties or civic action. Instead, they set out into the swamps to do reconnaissance, a mission that kept casualties low and aligned with their collective value system. When their tactics proved unproductive, they adapted and learned on their own, making them exceptional soldiers in a decentralized environment. This ability to learn and adapt, combined with the navy's traditional latitude and the UDTCO's adaptability, made the SEALs the unsung soldiers of the war, as described by marine veteran author Bing West. This account, however, only considers the record after 1966. A deeper analysis is missing, one that explores the historical context that influenced this inland evolution, including the armies and marine corps preceding 30 years and the navy's preoccupation with justifying its worth in offensive combat.

    • The Marine Corps' profound impact on American special operations historyThe Marine Corps' culture of humility, professionalism, and responsibility has led to crucial initiatives and acts of courage during times of war, shaping the development of other special operations units.

      The US Marine Corps, as depicted in Bing West's report and personal experiences, is a culture built on humility, professionalism, and a strong sense of responsibility. During times of war, the Marines' initiative and courage were crucial in influencing the creation and development of other special operations units. An example of this can be seen in the story of the SEAL team's rescue during the Vietnam War, where the arrival of a professional Marine major, Owen West, turned the tide of the situation. West's actions, along with Bing West's humble report, highlight the profound impact the Marine Corps has had on American special operations history. The Marine Corps' powerful culture, rooted in the stories of their history, requires more from its troops, resulting in a level of responsibility that breeds initiative and courage.

    • Exploring the history and values of frogmen and SEAL teamsBen Milligan's book is a valuable resource for understanding the bravery, heroism, adaptation, evolution, pride, and humility of frogmen and SEAL teams, essential for personal and team growth.

      The appreciation and recognition for the history and the individuals who have shaped the culture and traditions of the frogman and SEAL teams. Ben Milligan's book serves as an important document that strengthens the connection to the past, highlighting the qualities of bravery, heroism, adaptation, evolution, pride, and humility. Milligan's meticulous research and dedication to the project are commendable, and the book is highly recommended for anyone with an interest in military history or the history of special operations. The community values the service and contributions of its forefathers, and continuing to learn from their experiences is essential for personal and team growth.

    • A new era of healthy energy drinksJocko Fuel offers healthy energy drink alternatives without harmful additives or high prices, setting it apart from competitors.

      A new era of energy drinks is emerging, offering consumers healthy options without the burden of harmful additives and high prices. This is similar to how specialized units like SEAL teams fill gaps in the military where others leave. The gap in the energy drink market is that people want healthy alternatives, and Jocko's Jocko Fuel is capitalizing on this. The company offers various deployment methods, supplements, and even American-made goods. Jocko Fuel's commitment to discipline and health sets it apart from competitors, who may offer tasty but ultimately unhealthy options. The company's mission is not to impose outrage but to provide a better choice for consumers. The energy drinks, supplements, and other products can be purchased through jockofuel.com, Vitamin Shoppe, and Origin USA.

    • Jocko's Monthly Subscription Service: ShirtlockerSign up for Jocko's Shirtlocker to receive themed t-shirts monthly. Listen to Jocko's podcasts Grounded, Warrior Kid, and Jocko Underground for inspiration. Support creators directly and avoid intrusive ads. Check out Origin USA, Flip Side Canvas, and Ben Milligan's book for more resources.

      Jocko Willink, a former Navy SEAL commander, offers various ways for individuals to improve their lives through his online store, Jocko Store, and his podcasts. One of these offerings is the Shirtlocker, a subscription service that delivers a cool, themed t-shirt every month. Jocko highlighted the Seawolves design, which commemorates a Navy SEAL team that operated in combat from 1966 to 1972. To get this shirt, sign up for the Shirtlocker on Jocko Store. Jocko also mentioned his other podcasts, Grounded and Warrior Kid, and his alternative podcast, Jocko Underground, which can be accessed on his website. He emphasized the importance of supporting creators directly and avoiding intrusive advertisements. Additionally, Jocko recommended several other resources, such as Origin USA for those interested in American companies, Flip Side Canvas for wall art, and Ben Milligan's book, "Water Beneath the Walls." Lastly, Jocko's novel, allegedly written by him, is now available for pre-order. Overall, Jocko's offerings aim to provide value and inspiration through various mediums.

    • Combining strategy, tactics, discipline, and adaptability for effective leadershipFormer Navy SEALs Jocko Willink and Ben Milligan emphasize the importance of strategy, tactics, discipline, and adaptability in leadership. Stay informed, be open-minded, and develop a value system emphasizing physical hardiness, courage, adaptability, and commitment to accomplish the mission.

      Effective leadership requires a combination of strategy, tactics, discipline, and the ability to adapt. Jocko Willink and Ben Milligan, both former Navy SEALs, emphasized the importance of these elements in their discussions, referencing various resources such as "Leadership Strategy and Tactics Field Manual" and "About Face." They also highlighted the significance of staying informed and open-minded, as there is always more to learn from the experiences of others. Additionally, they encouraged listeners to develop a value system emphasizing physical hardiness, courage, adaptability, discipline, and commitment to accomplishing the mission. This approach, inspired by the SEALs, can be applied to various aspects of life, from personal growth to professional development.

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