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    633: Seeing Greene: Is My BRRRR a Bust If Cash Flow is Low?

    enJuly 10, 2022

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    • Explore real estate jobs to complement investing effortsConsider working in real estate industry for resources, support, and new opportunities, even if not full-time. Look for jobs with companies like Bigger Pockets or consider managing short-term rentals remotely.

      It's not necessary to quit your current job to invest in real estate full time. Instead, consider finding a job in the real estate industry that complements your investing efforts. This can provide better resources, more support, and even lead to new opportunities. If you're passionate about real estate and looking to make a career change, consider applying to work for companies like Bigger Pockets. And if you're an experienced short-term rental manager, David Green is hiring for a remote position to manage his portfolio. With the economic uncertainty, it's important to be proactive and look for new opportunities to build wealth and stay involved in the real estate industry. Remember, fear shouldn't hold you back. Instead, focus on helping others grow their businesses and making yourself more money. And with tools like DealMachine, you can easily access the information you need for off-market deals.

    • Growing a Real Estate Business and Investing: Balancing PrioritiesEffectively balance business growth and real estate investing by considering timing, resources, and alternative methods like partnering or no-money-down opportunities.

      There are various strategies to grow your real estate business and start investing without compromising both. While focusing solely on building a successful team and business might seem daunting, investing in real estate can be a valuable financial move. However, it's essential to consider the timing and personal circumstances. For instance, during periods of business growth and scaling, it might not be the best time to invest in rental properties due to the time and resources required. Instead, consider alternative methods like partnering with others or exploring no-money-down investment opportunities. Remember, the goal is to build a sustainable financial future through real estate, but it's crucial to prioritize and balance your efforts effectively. For more information on investing with no money down, visit renttoretirement.com.

    • Balancing Business Growth and Real Estate InvestmentFocus on business growth for substantial income, but don't neglect real estate investment for passive income and long-term benefits. Buy a primary residence annually and do occasional live and flip projects.

      Focusing on growing a successful business can be more profitable than investing in real estate, especially if the business is generating substantial income and cash flows. However, it's essential not to completely neglect real estate investment, as owning a primary residence and doing occasional live and flip projects can provide passive income and benefits in the long run. The speaker's personal experience of prioritizing business growth over real estate investment led to significant financial gains, but he acknowledges the regret of missing out on potential real estate opportunities during that period. Therefore, if your business is thriving, consider buying a primary residence annually and doing occasional live and flip projects to balance both business growth and real estate investment.

    • Leveraging a Team Member for Synergy in Real Estate Business and InvestingA dedicated team member can help manage real estate deals and properties, enabling agents to focus on their business while maintaining investing activities. Properties with low cash flow but high forced appreciation can be valuable tools for business growth.

      Having a team member who can function as a project manager or property manager within a real estate agency can lead to synergy between the real estate business and real estate investing. This person can help ensure deals close, manage money transfers, order inspections, and even set up rental properties once they've closed. This allows the real estate agent to focus on the business while still maintaining some investing activities. The business cycle tends to shift over time, with the percentage of time spent on business versus investing changing. Initially, agents may focus on 80% business and 20% investing, but as the business grows, they may shift to 70% business and 30% investing, and so on. Rob, a successful real estate investor, asked about his properties that had low cash flow but high forced appreciation. These properties should be viewed as valuable tools that helped grow his business and portfolio, rather than poor uses of capital that should be sold. Instead, he can continue to hold onto them and look for opportunities to increase cash flow or refinance for more gains.

    • Consider the entire picture in real estate investingExpanding perspective beyond cash flow can lead to substantial long-term benefits in real estate investing

      Focusing solely on cash flow in real estate investments can be misleading. While cash flow is an important factor, it's essential to consider the entire picture, including appreciation, forced equity, market equity, loan paydown, and tax benefits. A deal that may seem unattractive based on cash flow alone could contribute significantly to overall portfolio growth. For instance, pulling $40,000 in cash from four deals and using it to buy a cash-flowing property can lead to substantial long-term benefits. The advice is to expand the perspective and engage with more experienced investors to understand the bigger picture of real estate investing.

    • Appraised value vs. rental valueInvestors must understand that appraised value and potential rental income differ, but hard money lenders follow appraisals. To boost cash flow, investors can consider using hard money loans with higher interest rates instead of large down payments.

      The value of a property for short-term rental (STR) purposes and its appraised value for mortgage lending can differ significantly. The appraiser's evaluation is based on the sales comparison approach, considering the property's value in relation to similar properties in the area. However, an investor's perspective may focus on the potential revenue generated from the property as a short-term rental. While it's essential to understand this discrepancy, investors must follow the appraiser's criteria when dealing with hard money lenders. To improve cash flow, an investor can consider using a hard money lender and paying a higher interest rate instead of bringing a large down payment to the closing table. However, convincing the lender of the property's higher value based on potential rental income may not necessarily reduce the required down payment. It's crucial to recognize the distinction between the investor's perspective and the appraiser's perspective and work within the lender's criteria.

    • Approaching private money lenders for property valuation disputesWhen dealing with appraisal discrepancies, consider private money lenders for financing. They offer flexibility and can be persuaded by logical arguments, especially if the property's cash flow justifies a higher value. For refinancing, seek a lender that considers short-term rental income.

      When dealing with appraisers and hard money lenders who may not see eye-to-eye with your property valuation, consider approaching a private money lender. Private money lenders have more flexibility and can be persuaded by your logic, especially if the property's cash flow justifies a higher value. When ready to refinance, look for a lender that considers short-term rental income for approval. Jenny Lee appreciated the in-depth explanations to complex questions and encouraged listeners to submit their own questions. Kyle Kotecha agreed with the importance of finding a mentor and providing value in return. Misha Henderson expressed gratitude for the consistent and valuable information shared on the show, and Watershed Property Services emphasized the importance of submitting questions directly. Overall, the key takeaway is to remain persistent and resourceful when navigating the real estate market, and to take advantage of various financing options and mentorship opportunities.

    • Effective communication in real estate and media productionPrepare thoughts before recording, be clear and concise, access funds for renovation quickly, and collaborate with experts for diverse perspectives

      When it comes to submitting questions or comments for a podcast or video show, it's important to be clear and concise. The host in this discussion emphasized that rambling questions or comments that take too long to articulate can be painful to listen to and may not make it onto the show. Instead, taking bullet notes or preparing thoughts before recording can help ensure a more effective and productive exchange. Additionally, the host expressed interest in bringing in experts from different areas of real estate to collaborate on the show. This could lead to more diverse perspectives and valuable insights for listeners. In a question from a listener named Logan, the host provided advice on whether to take an aggressive or conservative approach to fixing up a house to increase its value. The host suggested getting a Home Equity Line of Credit (HELOC) to access funds for the renovation, rather than waiting to save up the money. The host also emphasized the importance of acting quickly in real estate to take advantage of market conditions and avoid potential price increases. Overall, the key takeaway is the importance of clear communication and effective planning when it comes to real estate and media production.

    • Consider using a Home Equity Line of Credit (HELOC) for home improvements and potential rental propertiesLeverage home equity for home improvements and rental properties, do it yourself or hire friends to save costs, and consider refinancing or paying off based on interest rates. Repeat the process for potential growth.

      If you have enough equity in your home, consider obtaining a Home Equity Line of Credit (HELOC) to finance home improvements. You can do the work yourself or hire friends to keep costs low. Once completed, consider refinancing or paying off the HELOC based on interest rates. If your goal is to move out and house hack, repeat the process with a new property. Use your construction background to add value and potentially convert garages into Accessory Dwelling Units (ADUs). Start with one property a year, and in 10 years, you could have 18-20 homes. Remember, real estate investing doesn't have to be complicated. Use your skills, like construction, to your advantage. Start slow and steady, and the potential for growth is significant.

    • Streamline Real Estate Investing with DealMachine, Steadily, and Host FinancialDealMachine offers unlimited lead generation, Steadily provides fast and affordable insurance, and Host Financial simplifies mortgage funding for real estate investors.

      DealMachine and Steadily are game-changers for real estate investors looking to streamline their processes and save time and money. DealMachine offers unlimited access to high-quality, reliable contact information for lead generation, while Steadily provides fast and affordable landlord insurance with a focus on the unique needs of the industry. For investors looking to expand their portfolios, Host Financial offers easy and frictionless transactions for mortgage funding. And for those looking to convert a garage into a rental unit, careful consideration and potential cost savings should be taken into account before making a move. DealMachine's unlimited access to contact information can help investors find off-market deals, while Steadily's fast and affordable insurance options can provide peace of mind and save time. Host Financial's easy mortgage funding process can help investors grow their portfolios faster. Investors like Kaya in Atlanta can benefit from the knowledge shared on BiggerPockets and the resources provided by these companies to make informed decisions and take the next steps in their real estate investing journey.

    • Exploring alternative funding options for real estate projectsConsider home equity, partnering with investors, or finding a mentor for real estate investment funding. Avoid using high-interest debt.

      When considering real estate investments, it's crucial to have a solid financial plan and adequate funding. In the first part of the discussion, Kya was advised to explore alternative ways to fund her garage conversion project besides using high-interest credit card debt. Suggestions included utilizing home equity, partnering with experienced investors, or finding a mentor to help split costs and provide guidance. In the second part, Kya expressed concerns about feeling unsafe in her current home and wanted to know if she could move out and rent it out instead. The advice given was that she could indeed move out and explore low down payment options for purchasing another primary residence. Additionally, she was encouraged to consider converting the garage into an Accessory Dwelling Unit (ADU) and living in it while renting out the main house for additional income. Overall, the importance of having a well-thought-out financial strategy and seeking the advice of experienced investors or mentors was emphasized throughout the conversation.

    • How much reserve should a first-time house hacker have?Aim for six months of reserves for mortgage and personal expenses, but adjust based on individual circumstances and consider additional income streams or saving more.

      There is no definitive answer to how much reserves a first-time house hacker should have. A general guideline is to aim for six months of reserves to cover mortgage payments and personal expenses. However, this can be adjusted based on individual circumstances, such as income level and access to emergency funds from family or other sources. If possible, building up reserves through additional income streams or saving more is recommended. Additionally, the current real estate market may offer opportunities to buy below market value, allowing for more flexibility and potentially less need for extensive reserves. Ultimately, the key is to assess personal financial situation and make informed decisions based on individual circumstances.

    • Focus on consistent investing despite market uncertaintyConsider flexible housing and storage arrangements to wait for ideal market conditions, utilize resources like BiggerPockets Agent Finder, and remain patient, persistent, and build a solid team for success.

      While market conditions can be uncertain, the goal of achieving financial freedom through real estate investing remains constant. It's essential not to get too caught up in trying to time the market perfectly, but rather focus on consistently investing your time and resources. If you're considering buying real estate but are unsure about current market conditions, it might be worth considering temporary housing arrangements and storage solutions to give yourself the flexibility to make the best decision for your financial future. Additionally, utilizing resources like BiggerPockets Agent Finder can help you find an investor-friendly agent to guide you through the process and provide valuable insights into local markets. Remember, the key to success in real estate investing is patience, persistence, and a solid team.

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