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    643: Laowhy86 | How the Chinese Social Credit Score System Works Part One

    en-usMarch 29, 2022

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    • Creating a welcoming Airbnb spaceTransforming your home into an Airbnb brings extra income and cultural exchange, personal touches and convenient check-ins/outs enhance guest experience

      Turning your home into an Airbnb not only brings in extra income but also allows you to share your unique space with travelers from around the world. The hosts in this episode, inspired by their own experiences as Airbnb guests, created a welcoming environment for their guests by adding personal touches and making check-ins and check-outs convenient. By doing so, they transformed their home into a valuable asset and an opportunity for more adventures. Another interesting topic discussed in this episode was the Chinese social credit system, as shared by Matt Laowai, an experienced travel vlogger and former long-term resident of China. Matt provided insights into how the system works and shared his personal experience of having to escape from China due to his online content. The episode also touched upon the similarities between Chinese and Russian propaganda methods on YouTube, highlighting the importance of being aware of disinformation and the impact it can have on public perception.

    • Cleverly evading Chinese authorities with old footageCreators use old footage to confuse authorities and save resources, producing their own footage as well, some decades old but still relevant.

      The creators of a YouTube show about criticizing the Chinese government use a clever method to evade authorities by obtaining and broadcasting old footage of Chinese streets. They have a network of people who film the scenes and send them the footage, which can be up to 14 months old. This strategy confuses the authorities and wastes their resources. The creators also produce their own footage, some of which is decades old but still relevant due to the timeless nature of certain aspects of Chinese culture. The conversation between the interviewees also revealed that they initially intended to create a segment on Russian and Chinese propaganda on YouTube, but it evolved into a discussion on propaganda on the platform itself. The interview ended with the interviewee expressing gratitude for the show and acknowledging that one of their most popular videos is about a Chinese girl trying American-Chinese food for the first time.

    • Living under China's Social Credit System: Personal ExperiencesThe social credit system limits individual freedoms and privacy through constant surveillance and reporting, but individual stories can inspire curiosity and shed light on complex realities.

      The social credit system, which originated in China and is being implemented in authoritarian regimes around the world, is a concerning development that limits individual freedoms and privacy. The speaker, who lived in China for a decade, shared personal experiences of living under this system, which involved constant surveillance and reporting. They also noted that even documenting daily life could lead to raids by authorities. Despite the challenges, the speaker and their partner, who was the first YouTuber in China, used their platform to show the good aspects of rural China and inspire curiosity rather than fear. Overall, their experiences highlight the importance of individual stories in countering negative stereotypes and shedding light on the complex realities of living under such systems.

    • Chinese government's heavy-handed approach causes unnecessary tensionThe Chinese government's handling of perceived threats can escalate situations, causing unwarranted investigation and harassment, but it doesn't represent the Chinese people or their values.

      The Chinese government's heavy-handed approach to handling perceived threats, including foreigners, can lead to unnecessary tension and conflict. This was exemplified during a filming trip where the presence of foreigners in a contested region led to accusations of being rogue journalists and concerns about reporting on sensitive issues. The situation escalated due to propaganda and paranoia, causing unwarranted investigation and harassment. This experience highlighted the stark contrast between the Chinese government's portrayal of unity and the reality of marginalization and lack of rights for minority populations and even the emerging middle class. The incident served as a catalyst for further research and advocacy on these issues. It's essential to remember that the Chinese government's actions are not reflective of the Chinese people but rather the Chinese Communist Party's control and manipulation of information and its treatment of certain populations.

    • Understanding the Complexities of China's Social Credit SystemThe Chinese social credit system is more complex than a FICO score or Yelp review, affecting various aspects of life beyond borrowing money.

      The Chinese social credit system is not as simple or widespread as portrayed in popular culture or some media outlets. While it's an invasive system that goes beyond what a FICO score entails in the US, it's not yet at the level of a glorified Yelp review or a Black Mirror episode where people rate each other. The system, which has been implemented in places like Rongcheng, Shandong, is more complex and its effects go beyond borrowing money. It's important to understand the nuances of this system to avoid oversimplification or fear-mongering. Additionally, the speaker emphasized that everyone, including those who are critical of China, should support the idea of a freer regime for Chinese people.

    • Documentary filmmaking in China: Reality vs. ManipulationDiscovering BBC's staged footage led filmmakers to choose authenticity over staging in China, where government approval and surveillance are common.

      The documentary filmmaking industry can sometimes involve manipulation and staging for dramatic effect or to secure approval from governments. During their self-funded documentary project in China, the filmmakers discovered that BBC had manufactured footage in a famous cockle village. The village chief offered them the opportunity to stage scenes for payment, but they opted to film everyday life instead. This experience highlighted the reality of how things work in China, where media productions often require government approval and minders to set up scenes. The Chinese government's social credit system, which rates citizens based on their behavior, was another example of manipulation for control. The filmmakers found and translated government documents detailing the system, revealing how points were allocated and rated. Although this information was not intended for international audiences, it sheds light on the extent of government surveillance and control in China. Overall, this experience taught the filmmakers the importance of authenticity and the potential challenges of capturing reality in documentary filmmaking.

    • Chinese Social Credit System: Behavior Determines Privileges and RestrictionsThe Chinese Social Credit System evaluates individuals based on their behavior and adherence to societal norms, affecting their access to education, jobs, and other opportunities.

      In the Chinese social credit system, your privileges and restrictions are determined by your behavior and adherence to societal norms as set by the government. This system extends beyond simple infractions like jaywalking and spitting, and can include online speech and organ donation. Those with high social credit scores can enjoy advantages such as better education and job opportunities, while those with lower scores may face penalties and scrutiny. This system aims to create model citizens by punishing those who speak negatively about the Communist Party of China. It's important to note that this is an official policy and not a speculation, and it can significantly impact individuals' lives in various ways.

    • China's Social Credit System: Complex and MultifacetedChina's social credit system monitors citizens' actions, encourages positive behavior, and punishes negative behavior, but raises concerns about privacy and freedom of speech.

      China's social credit system is a complex and multifaceted initiative, with different cities experimenting with various aspects of it to address specific issues. While some aspects, like charitable donations, may be seen as positive, others, such as public shaming for debt or negative comments about the government, can lead to negative consequences. The system is designed to be concrete and well-thought-out, but it also raises concerns about privacy and freedom of speech. Despite the Chinese constitution allowing citizens to petition the central government, in practice, this option is often ineffective, and the social credit system may serve as a way to discourage people from speaking out. Ultimately, the system represents a significant expansion of the government's ability to monitor and control its citizens' actions and behavior.

    • China's Social Credit System: Encouraging Silence and ServitudeThe social credit system can lead to a culture of silence and servitude, as individuals fear reprisals and loss of privileges for reporting issues to authorities.

      China's social credit system, as demonstrated in the cases of Rongchang and The Chained Woman, can silence civically-minded individuals and encourage corruption by punishing those who speak out against injustices. The system, which rewards good behavior and deducts points for transgressions, can lead to people being afraid to report issues to local authorities for fear of reprisals and loss of privileges. While some actions, like returning lost money or reporting on dangerous religious cults, may seem positive on the surface, they can also be used to manipulate the system and encourage informant culture. Ultimately, the social credit system can create a culture of silence and servitude to local governments, rather than encouraging accountability and transparency.

    • China's army: A source of social points and stigmaJoining the army in China can bring social points but is often stigmatized due to financial burdens and low status. Negative actions can also result in loss of points and social standing.

      In China, achieving success in sports, military service, or receiving awards brings social points. However, joining the army, especially for young people, has historically been looked down upon due to financial burdens and low social status. The Chinese government is currently trying to change this perception through propaganda, but it raises concerns about nationalism and potential conflicts. Additionally, individuals can lose social points for negative actions, such as criticizing the government, breaking the law, or not properly sorting recycling. These points influence an individual's social standing within Chinese society.

    • China's reputation and ranking depend on adherence to rules, even if hypocriticalChina's leaders prioritize adherence to rules for reputation and advancement, despite a hypocritical system and potential negative consequences.

      China's reputation and ranking within its government are heavily influenced by their adherence to rules and regulations, even if those rules are hypocritical or inconsistent with their public image. This hypocrisy is a significant aspect of Chinese society and politics, with leaders boasting about their achievements and awards while maintaining a dystopian reality behind closed doors. The consequences for not following rules, such as missing an online dinner reservation, can lead to negative consequences. Education also plays a significant role in this system, with the government monitoring students' performance and punishing those who do not meet expectations or hold views against the CCP. Ultimately, China's reputation and ranking are crucial for maintaining face and advancing within the government, making adherence to rules and regulations a priority, even if it means perpetuating a hypocritical system.

    • China's Social Credit System: Maintaining Moderate Prosperity with Significant PunishmentsChina's social credit system aims to maintain social order by monitoring citizens' behavior extensively and punishing infractions severely, including academic performance in children, while infringing on individual privacy and freedoms.

      China's social credit system is designed to maintain a society with moderate prosperity, where everyone is expected to meet in the middle and not fall too far behind. However, this system also comes with significant punishments for those who don't meet the expected performance levels. During China's golden period in the early to mid 2000s, children were encouraged to study hard due to the fear of their families starving if they didn't perform well. But as the economy improved, kids started slacking off and engaging in behaviors like getting tattoos, skipping school, and smoking cigarettes. In response, the social credit system was implemented with huge punishments for kids not performing well in school, including being kicked out of their schools and sent to lower-tier institutions. The system also uses extensive surveillance, including facial recognition technology and jaywalking cameras, to monitor citizens' behavior and deduct points for infractions, such as jaywalking or speaking out against the government. The ultimate goal is to prevent dissent and maintain social order, even if it means infringing on individual privacy and freedoms.

    • Unintended consequences of China's social credit systemThe social credit system in China, meant to discourage crime and scams, can lead to unintended consequences like discrimination and restriction of basic privileges for millions, disproportionately affecting dissidents and those speaking out against the government.

      China's social credit system, which is intended to discourage criminal behavior and scams, can lead to unintended consequences such as discrimination and restriction of basic privileges for millions of people. These restrictions can include being unable to book flights or rail tickets, and can disproportionately affect dissidents or those speaking out against the government. While the system is presented as a tool to maintain order and prevent crime, it can also be used to punish and limit the freedom of individuals, creating a significant impact on their daily lives.

    • Social credit system as a tool for controlling citizens' behavior and loyaltyChina's social credit system grants privileges to those with good scores and denies services to those with poor ones, controlling behavior and ensuring loyalty, impacting basic needs like healthcare and education.

      China's social credit system goes beyond influencing people's access to services like hospitals and travel; it also serves as a tool for the government to ensure the compliance and loyalty of its citizens. By granting privileges to those with good social credit scores and denying services to those with poor ones, the government can control people's behavior and prevent potential threats to national security, such as capital flight or dissent. The system's consequences extend to the most basic needs, like healthcare and education, making it a powerful means of social control. The system's roots run deep, with prioritized treatment based on connections already a reality, and the recent legislation only formalizes this practice for those who demonstrate loyalty to the party. The threat of denied access to essential services can be a potent deterrent to speaking out against the government or engaging in activities that may be perceived as disloyal.

    • Chinese social credit system creates paranoia and self-censorshipThe Chinese social credit system restricts free speech and negatively impacts basic freedoms, causing many to leave China and share their experiences globally.

      The Chinese social credit system and the current Chinese leadership have created an ecosystem of paranoia and self-censorship, leading to a significant change in political discourse and basic freedoms in China. This system, which is still in its beta testing phase, has made it increasingly difficult for individuals to speak openly about the downfalls of authoritarianism and the negative impacts of the Chinese government. This has led many, including expats like the speaker, to leave China and share their experiences with the world, highlighting the human side of China that is often overlooked in Western media. The loss of these basic freedoms has left many Chinese people feeling upset and grateful for those who can safely discuss these issues elsewhere.

    • China's Extensive Surveillance Reaches Far Beyond Local Law EnforcementThe Chinese government maintains detailed files on individuals, including foreigners, and their surveillance goes beyond local law enforcement, creating an unsettling disconnect between local and national efforts.

      The Chinese government maintains extensive files on individuals, especially foreigners, and their surveillance reaches far beyond local law enforcement. The speaker, a filmmaker, shared his experience of being followed and interrogated in Inner Mongolia despite living thousands of miles away. The government agents knew intricate details about his personal life, employment history, and preferences. This level of surveillance creates an unsettling disconnect between local and national efforts, as the speaker was registered to live on a university campus but owned an apartment off-campus, registered in his wife's name. The revelation of multiple departments looking for him came from an unlikely source: a fan who showed a message from someone in the Chinese government. The speaker initially assumed it was a traffic department issue due to his motorcycle shop and custom motorcycles, but it was a much larger concern. This incident underscores the extensive reach and depth of China's surveillance state.

    • Chinese Authorities' Crackdown on Speaker for Alleged Illegal FilmingAuthorities' overreaction to common footage led to speaker's escape and family's detainment, emphasizing the need for caution in countries with strict information control.

      The Chinese authorities, including the Public Security Bureau and the People's Liberation Army, were looking for the speaker due to unfounded allegations of illegally filming an army base. The speaker had already been questioned about this issue before, but when the PLA became involved, the situation escalated into something much bigger. The footage in question was a common bird's eye view of the city that could be found on the Chinese Internet. Despite this, the authorities continued their pursuit, and the speaker's family was unable to leave China due to pending green card applications. The speaker managed to escape to Hong Kong, but the experience highlighted the increasing paranoia and censorship in China. It serves as a reminder of the importance of due diligence and the potential risks of living or working in a country with strict government control over information.

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      Some online courses or webinars may use manipulative tactics to sell their expensive programs. They may use fake testimonials, inflated value claims, and high-pressure sales techniques to convince people to buy, often leaving them in debt and disappointed with the results. It's important to do thorough research before signing up for any program and be wary of overly aggressive sales pitches. Instead, focus on finding reputable resources and building relationships before you need them. Remember, the best deals often come from word-of-mouth recommendations and careful consideration.

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