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    919: Chris Miller | Chip War: The Battle for Semiconductor Supremacy

    en-usNovember 09, 2023

    Podcast Summary

    • Creating a welcoming Airbnb space and the importance of semiconductorsHosting on Airbnb brings income and cultural exchange, while semiconductors fuel innovation and geopolitical competition

      Turning your home into an Airbnb not only brings in extra income but also allows you to share a piece of your world with others. The hosts in this episode shared their experience of creating a welcoming space for guests by adding personal touches and making check-ins and check-outs convenient. Meanwhile, in the world of technology, semiconductors are crucial components that drive both military and civilian innovation. Their production and distribution are complex processes requiring significant resources, making them as valuable as oil and gas. Despite China's efforts to compete, the US and Taiwan currently dominate the semiconductor market. Understanding the importance and challenges of semiconductor manufacturing and distribution can provide valuable insights into geopolitical dynamics and technological advancements.

    • Revolutionary advancements in semiconductor technologyMoore's Law drove the creation of smaller transistors, revolutionizing computing and leading to more transistors produced annually than all goods in human history, but physical limits will eventually halt this trend. Chip shortages during the pandemic highlighted the fragility of supply chains and economies, particularly impacting the automotive industry.

      Technology has advanced significantly in the field of semiconductors, leading to the creation of incredibly small transistors that fit into our electronic devices. These transistors, which are smaller than a virus, have revolutionized computing and have led to the production of more transistors in one year than all the goods produced in human history. Moore's Law, a prediction made by Gordon Moore in 1965, has driven this progress by shrinking transistors every year, but physical limits will eventually halt this trend. Chips are a crucial component in various industries, and shortages during the pandemic highlighted the fragility of our supply chains and economies, with cars being one of the industries heavily affected by chip shortages.

    • The Essential Role of Semiconductors in Modern LifeSemiconductors power modern devices, controlled by a few companies, vulnerable to disruptions, difficult to replicate, and crucial to our economy and daily life.

      Semiconductors, which power the tiny components in our modern devices, have become essential to our economy and daily life. From cars and appliances to phones and computers, nearly everything with an on-off switch contains semiconductors. The production of these chips is controlled by a small number of companies, making the industry vulnerable to disruptions like earthquakes or missile strikes. These disruptions could lead to significant price increases and economic chaos. The history of semiconductors shows how difficult it is to replicate or reverse engineer them due to their complex recipes and manufacturing processes. This makes it challenging for countries or companies to produce their own chips independently. The consequences of these challenges could be severe, as the world becomes increasingly reliant on these tiny components.

    • Challenges of producing chips in-house and fraudulent activities in ChinaIn-house chip production is outdated due to rapid tech advancements and resource-intensive nature. Fraudulent activities in China's semiconductor industry pose a significant risk for governments and companies.

      Attempting to produce chips in-house, especially for developing countries, is a challenging and outdated approach due to the rapid advancements in technology brought about by Moore's Law. Companies are constantly releasing new, more advanced chips every year, making it difficult for late entrants to keep up. Moreover, the production of chips requires significant resources, including talent, infrastructure, and machinery, which can be prohibitively expensive for many countries. Another intriguing point discussed was the issue of fraudulent activities in China, where some companies have been scamming the government for subsidies by falsely claiming to have advanced chip technology. This risky yet profitable strategy has led to numerous examples of successful frauds in the semiconductor industry. On a different note, the unexpected rise of Taiwan as a major player in the semiconductor industry can be attributed to its ability to recognize the job-creating potential of electronics manufacturing. Taiwan, once an agricultural society, saw the opportunity to employ its growing urban population by investing in electronics factories and chip factories, making it a wise bet for economic growth.

    • TSMC's Success: Focusing on Manufacturing Over DesignTSMC's decision to only manufacture chips instead of designing them allowed them to produce for industry giants, continuously improve manufacturing tech, prevent competition among customers, and become an indispensable neutral player in the chip supply chain.

      Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) became the world's leading chipmaker by focusing on manufacturing instead of design. Founder Morris Chang's decision to only manufacture chips for various tech companies, rather than designing them, allowed TSMC to produce chips for industry giants like Apple and NVIDIA, while continuously improving manufacturing technology. This business model prevented competition among customers and enabled TSMC to become an indispensable neutral player in the global chip supply chain. Taiwan's deep personal and professional connections with Silicon Valley further solidified TSMC's position as a critical player in the tech industry. The conscious decision to inject themselves into the center of the chip supply chain has proven to be a successful strategy for TSMC, leading to their current dominance in the industry.

    • Japan's missed opportunities in tech industryInnovation and self-sufficiency are crucial for maintaining a competitive edge in the tech industry. Japan's failure to adapt and keep up with global trends led to missed opportunities in the PC and smartphone markets, allowing countries like Korea and Taiwan to rise as tech powerhouses.

      Japan's failure to adapt and innovate during the 1990s and 2000s cost them dearly in the tech industry. They missed out on key technological advancements such as the PC and smartphones, leading to a lack of domestic smartphone brands. This mistake was a result of their inability to keep up with global trends and their inability to effectively leverage their industry position. Meanwhile, countries like Korea and Taiwan seized the opportunity to rise as tech powerhouses during Japan's decline. The Soviet Union also attempted to steal technology through smuggling, but their efforts were hindered by the long lag in copying and their reliance on foreign parts and tools. The current situation of Russian military equipment being packed with Western microelectronics highlights their continued reliance on foreign technology and the challenges they face in manufacturing their own. Overall, these examples demonstrate the importance of innovation and self-sufficiency in maintaining a competitive edge in the tech industry.

    • Risks of Obtaining Technology from Adversarial NationsObtaining technology from adversarial nations can lead to uncertainty about authenticity, continuous updates, and potential backdoors, posing significant risks to infrastructure and data security.

      Relying on smuggled technology from adversarial nations can lead to significant risks. The Soviet Union learned this the hard way when they tried to obtain Western technology through illegal means. Not only did this strategy bind them to the need for continuous updates from the West, but it also left them uncertain about the authenticity of the chips they were getting. Today, the Russians and Chinese engage in similar activities, and countries are concerned about potential backdoors in their technology, particularly at the infrastructure level. The discovery of unauthorized components in US servers provides circumstantial evidence of these concerns. China, in particular, is known for using telecom companies as tools for espionage. While it's challenging to definitively prove these allegations, the potential consequences of being compromised are severe, making it essential to remain vigilant.

    • China's Dependence on Foreign Semiconductor ProductionChina imports over 260 billion dollars worth of semiconductors annually, making it the world's largest importer, due to its lack of domestic production of advanced chips and high demand for electronics manufacturing and exporting.

      China's massive importation of semiconductors is a result of its dependence on foreign production and the high demand for electronics due to manufacturing and exporting consumer goods. China imports more chips than oil each year, with an estimated 260 billion dollars spent in 2020. The reason for this is that China does not produce cutting-edge chips domestically and is the world's largest assembly site for electronics. Additionally, the specialized knowledge and equipment required for advanced chip manufacturing are limited, making it difficult for China to build its own factories. Despite being a world power, China faces significant challenges in acquiring the necessary expertise and resources to establish a domestic chip industry.

    • Manufacturing Complex Machinery: EUV Photolithography MachinesThe intricate and interconnected process of manufacturing complex machinery like EUV photolithography machines involves specialized personnel, specific components from various countries, and a controlled environment, making it difficult for unauthorized parties to replicate them.

      The manufacturing process for creating the most complex machinery, such as EUV photolithography machines used in chip production, is incredibly intricate and interconnected. These machines, produced by companies like ASML, require specialized personnel, specific components from various countries, and a controlled environment to operate. The complexity of these machines, along with the need for specialized knowledge and components, makes it nearly impossible for unauthorized parties to replicate them. Additionally, the global supply chain and interdependence on various countries for components further complicate the issue. China, despite its efforts to build up its domestic industry, still faces significant challenges in replicating these machines due to the intricacy of their design and manufacturing process.

    • China's Inefficient Chip Industry InvestmentChina's chip industry investment is substantial but inefficient, lacking expertise and supply chain. Replicating tech experience and talent is difficult.

      China's investment in its chip industry, while substantial, is inefficiently distributed and lacks the necessary expertise and supply chain. Even if other countries' technologies could be copied, the experience and talent cannot be replicated easily. China has been investing heavily in the chip industry since 2014 but is still far behind. The US controls put in place last year may provide some incentive, but they are unlikely to significantly change China's progress. The semiconductor industry in Taiwan is critical, and a disruption to it could lead to catastrophic consequences for China. However, China is unlikely to invade Taiwan solely for semiconductors due to the reliance on external components and engineers. Ensuring that countries like South Korea do not help China manufacture their own chips remains a challenge.

    • US-China chip industry race and military technologyThe US aims to maintain dominance in military technology by focusing on high-tech warfare, but China's advancement in low-end technologies and ability to purchase military-grade chips pose a risk.

      The technological race between the US and China, specifically in the chip industry, is a major concern due to China's rapid advancement in low-end technologies and their ability to purchase military-grade chips. However, the frontier in military technology lies in applying advanced AI systems to military systems, requiring cutting-edge chips. The US aims to maintain its dominance by focusing on high-tech warfare, but the risk of low-tech warfare still exists. The US could explore options to slow down China's progress without resorting to military action, such as strengthening alliances, increasing investment in research and development, and implementing stricter export controls.

    • US Slows Down China's Chip Technology ProgressThe US restricts China's access to chip tools and expertise, arguing that a weak private sector chip industry will result in a weak military one. However, China can force or bribe talent back, making it hard for the US to keep them. US firms face restrictions on tech transfer into China, and the US incentivizes less advanced technology sales.

      The US is trying to slow down China's progress in chip technology by denying them access to necessary tools and discouraging expertise from joining their private sector. The US argues that since the majority of chips produced go to civilian applications, a weak private sector chip industry will result in a weak military chip industry as well. To make the US a more attractive place for talent, the US needs to focus on improving working conditions and quality of life. However, authoritarian regimes like China can force or bribe people to return home, making it a challenge for the US to keep talent. Additionally, US firms have been torn apart from their Chinese tech ecosystem, and the US government is putting restrictions on tech transfer into China. The US is trying to incentivize US firms to keep selling to China but only with less advanced technologies.

    • US-China tech sales: A delicate balanceThe US must balance the demand for less advanced chips with the risk of selling cutting-edge technology to China, as potential consequences of a conflict over Taiwan could lead to a global economic crisis.

      The US is walking a fine line when it comes to selling advanced technology to China, as less advanced chips are still in demand but the cutting-edge technology poses a significant risk, particularly regarding Taiwan. The potential consequences of a Chinese invasion or blockade of Taiwan could lead to a global economic crisis, and it's uncertain how a president would respond. The ongoing conflict in Ukraine and Putin's use of nuclear threats could be influencing China's actions, and the potential losses from such a conflict could take years to recover from. Dictators like Xi Jinping may not be solely focused on economic maximization and could be emboldened by the potential gains from disrupting the global chip supply chain. The situation is complex and uncertain, with potential consequences that could be measured in the trillions rather than billions.

    • Technology's Evolving Landscape: Challenges and OpportunitiesMoore's Law nearing end, shift towards specialized processing, rise of GPUs for AI, uncertain future of quantum computing, CHIPS Act to invest in US chip industry, stay informed and adapt to technological changes

      The world of technology is constantly evolving, and the future holds both challenges and opportunities. Mao Zedong's economic management was far from ideal, leading to famines that cost the lives of millions. In the realm of technology, Moore's Law, which drove progress in computing for decades, is nearing its end. As a result, we may see a shift towards specialized processing, rather than general-purpose computing. This is already evident in the rise of GPUs for AI purposes. However, the future of quantum computing is still uncertain, with practical use cases yet to emerge. The CHIPS Act aims to reduce reliance on foreign chip production by investing in the US industry, but its long-term impact remains to be seen. Overall, it's essential to stay informed and adapt to the ever-changing technological landscape.

    • Challenges to bringing chip manufacturing back to the USThe cost differential between US and Asian countries for semiconductor manufacturing is significant and requires more than just subsidies to bridge. Workforce, power, and infrastructure issues also need to be addressed.

      The high cost of manufacturing semiconductors in the US compared to countries like Taiwan and Korea is a significant challenge for bringing chip manufacturing back to the United States. This cost differential is due to factors like tax policy, land cost, and energy cost. The CHIPS Act aims to address this issue by providing subsidies, but the funding will only last for a few years. Beyond that, the cost differential is expected to reemerge. To bring chip manufacturing to the US, it would take more than just a subsidy of 20%. There are also workforce, power, and infrastructure issues to consider. The building blocks for semiconductor manufacturing exist in the US, but they are more dispersed and less efficient compared to Taiwan. It will take a long time to build up the capacity to match Taiwan's, and in the meantime, China is increasing its semiconductor manufacturing capabilities. The US needs to focus on slowing China down and building up its own capabilities to ensure self-sufficiency in semiconductors. This is important because the US is critically dependent on Taiwan for semiconductor production, which is threatened by China. The US should aim for self-sufficiency with trusted partners like Japan and Europe instead.

    • China's Semiconductor Industry Threat to Tech FirmsChina's investment in semiconductors may lead to undercutting prices and potential business displacement for US, European, and Japanese firms, but it could take decades for them to catch up to cutting-edge technology.

      The electronics industry is rapidly shifting production out of China and towards Southeast Asia and India, but China's investment in building up its semiconductor industry poses a significant threat to the profitability of tech firms in the US, Europe, and Japan. Companies are already hesitant to invest due to the anticipated surge of Chinese capacity in the market. If China succeeds in creating high-end chips, they could undercut prices and potentially force US, European, and Japanese firms out of business. The solution, according to some, may involve protectionism or locking out Chinese chips, but this could lead to a messy situation with uncertain outcomes. Despite China's significant investment, it may take decades for them to catch up to the cutting edge of chip technology. The chip industry has historically proven to be very difficult to master, and China faces significant challenges in gaining access to the necessary tools. It's an arms race of sorts, with control over chip manufacturing having implications beyond just consumer electronics, reaching into areas like artificial intelligence and military applications.

    • The Importance and Scarcity of SandSand is a crucial resource for modern civilization, used extensively in construction, technology, and industries. However, we're consuming it faster than it can be replenished, leading to potential shortages and geopolitical implications.

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    • When bail reforms free violent offenders and risk others' safety, how can we uphold justice while safeguarding victims?
    • You've about had it with your autistic boss' cringeworthy conspiracy theories. How can you disagree respectfully and maintain professionalism?
    • As a cancer patient struggling with massive student loans and disability assistance denial, what legal help and guidance is available for navigating private loan regulations while fighting for survival?
    • You've invented a non-functional plastic object that brings laughter to all who behold its absurdity. You want to protect the IP so you can profit from this stroke of comedic novelty, but you can't ignore the potential environmental impact of manufacturing such an item en masse. What should you do?
    • Have any questions, comments, or stories you'd like to share with us? Drop us a line at friday@jordanharbinger.com!
    • Connect with Jordan on Twitter at @JordanHarbinger and Instagram at @jordanharbinger.
    • Connect with Gabriel on Twitter at @GabeMizrahi and Instagram @gabrielmizrahi.

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    • Pollution, including plastics, chemical weapons, and nuclear waste, has severely impacted the ocean ecosystem, with some deep-sea creatures found to have plastic particles embedded in their organs.
    • There are an estimated three million shipwrecks on the ocean floor, preserving valuable historical artifacts and information — such as the Antikythera mechanism, an ancient Greek analog computer.
    • Exploring the ocean can lead to groundbreaking discoveries in medicine, Earth's history, and climate, providing valuable insights for addressing humanity's challenges — provided we safeguard this treasury of knowledge for current and future generations.
    • And much more...

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