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    How Bad Therapy Can Harm a Generation (ft. Abigail Shrier)

    en-usApril 10, 2024
    What impact does therapy language have on young people's mental health?
    How does Abigail Schrier define good versus bad therapy?
    What are the pitfalls of modern parenting trends mentioned?
    Why are unique traits considered strengths in individuals?
    How does structure benefit children's social skills and mental health?

    Podcast Summary

    • The Harmful Effects of Over-reliance on Therapy and its LanguageOur fixation on therapy and its terminology can unnecessarily label everyday issues as disasters, potentially harming young people's mental health and resilience.

      The language and culture of therapy have permeated modern life, leading to an inflation of everyday problems into perceived disasters and psychological disorders. This trend, particularly among young people, may be hindering rather than helping mental health. The author, Abigail Schrier, argues that our obsession with therapy and its language is actively harming individuals, especially the youngest generations, despite their socioeconomic comfort and access to resources. The book "Bad Therapy" explores the differences between good and bad therapy, the unintended consequences of teaching emotional skills to kids, the impact of changing parenting styles, the dangers of conflating child and adult therapy, and the adoption of self-help industry practices by mental health professionals.

    • The impact of 'bad therapy' on young peopleChildren and teenagers are susceptible to the negative effects of inappropriate therapeutic language and concepts introduced by untrained educators, leading to a skewed perspective and potential over-reliance on psychological labels. Effective therapy for young people requires specialized expertise and understanding of their unique developmental needs.

      The current generation is being inundated with therapeutic language and concepts at a young age, particularly in schools, which can be detrimental to their mental health. This "bad therapy" is introduced by educators who lack the expertise to provide effective therapy, leading to a skewed perspective and potential over-reliance on psychological labels. The interview emphasizes that children and teenagers cannot engage in the complex process of therapy as adults can, and they may lean into the idea of having mental health issues instead of challenging it. The lack of understanding that these struggles are normal and temporary can exacerbate their distress. The conversation also highlights the importance of recognizing the differences between therapy for adults and therapy for children, as well as the challenges faced by young people in therapy sessions.

    • The Difference Between Bad and Good TherapyBad therapy can worsen mental health, focusing on negative emotions can hinder emotional resilience, and activities with an outward focus can promote better mental health.

      Bad therapy, which can worsen existing symptoms or even introduce new ones, differs significantly from good therapy. Research shows that certain interventions, such as prolonged discussion of negative emotions, can leave individuals feeling worse, particularly in vulnerable populations like children. Social emotional learning, a popular educational approach, can inadvertently promote negative emotions and hinder academic progress by focusing too much on emotional issues and interrupting academic pursuits. Instead, activities with an outward focus, like community service or physical activities, can be more beneficial for mental health. The ability to develop resilience and manage emotions effectively is crucial, but constant focus on negative emotions can hinder this process, leading to increased fragility rather than strength.

    • SEL programs may not be as effective as claimedSome studies suggest that Social Emotional Learning programs can have negative effects and may not improve emotional well-being or academic performance as intended.

      The research on Social Emotional Learning (SEL) programs, which aim to improve emotional well-being and academic performance, may not be as effective as claimed. In fact, some studies suggest that these programs can even have negative effects, leading to increased sadness, anxiety, depression, and alienation from parents. The context matters, and the intense focus on feelings in today's society, driven by social media and other factors, may make these programs even less effective. New research indicates that these programs are either ineffective or counterproductive, and teachers report that students who have gone through these programs are more dysregulated than ever before. The paradox is that we live in an era with an unprecedented amount of mental health information and intervention, yet mental health issues seem to be worse than ever. It's worth considering that the very interventions meant to help might be contributing to the problem.

    • The way we perceive and respond to childhood traumas shapes our futureBuilding a narrative around childhood traumas can negatively impact adulthood, while dismissing them can lead to resilience. Perception of trauma's severity is relative, and external influences should be cautiously considered.

      The way we perceive and respond to traumatic experiences can significantly impact our lives. A study by Cathy Wydom showed that adults who built a narrative around their childhood traumas were more likely to suffer in adulthood, while those who dismissed them were thriving. It's important to remember that attributing too much importance to hard times can make them worse, and that human resilience is a crucial part of our story. We should encourage kids to understand that suffering is a part of life, and that they have the capacity to overcome it. The concept of pain relativity suggests that our perception of the severity of an experience is relative to our other experiences. By preventing ourselves from having adverse experiences, we don't build up the necessary resilience. It's essential to be cautious of external influences, such as culture or school counselors, that may suggest we've experienced trauma, as this can lead us to adapt our experiences to fit the label. Instead, we should focus on our innate ability to bounce back and build a strong foundation of resilience.

    • Balancing emotional pain and resilienceAcknowledge emotional pain but don't let it define you. Seek growth and resilience rather than just temporary relief.

      There's a need for balance in how we approach emotional pain and resilience. Over-indulgence and ignoring pain are both unhealthy. The current generation is facing unique challenges as they are being treated like patients, with their emotional pain constantly validated and magnified. This can lead to hypochondriasis or excessive focus on emotional pain, which prevents individuals from functioning normally and moving forward. Instead, it's essential to acknowledge the pain but not let it define us. Unfortunately, this balance is lacking, and many people are unable to differentiate between normal emotional experiences and actual emotional distress. This results in unnecessary suffering and a lack of progress. It's crucial to recognize that feeling better doesn't always mean actual change, and it's essential to strive for growth and resilience rather than just temporary relief.

    • Modern parenting trends and their impact on childrenClear boundaries, consequences, and understanding community contribute to children's social skills and mental health development. Avoiding cruelty and providing structure is crucial.

      Modern parenting trends, which encourage over-emotional engagement and lack of authority, can be phony, time-consuming, and ultimately harmful to children. Instead, kids need clear boundaries and consequences, as well as an understanding that they are part of a larger community. This approach not only helps children develop essential social skills but also contributes positively to their mental health. The author's personal experience and the insights of a cross-cultural psychologist support this perspective. While it's essential to avoid cruelty and unloving behavior, providing children with structure and dependable consequences is crucial for their development.

    • Balancing love, structure, and clear boundaries in parentingAuthoritative parenting leads to least anxiety and depression in children, while excessive hovering in surveillance parenting hinders growth and independence. Allow children to learn from mistakes within reasonable boundaries.

      Raising children effectively involves a balance of love, structure, and clear boundaries. This approach, known as authoritative parenting, is shown to result in the lowest anxiety and depression in children. Contrary to popular belief, permissive parenting, which involves few rules and consequences, is not the worst option. Instead, today's parents often engage in "surveillance parenting," where they hover and interfere excessively, hindering their children's growth and independence. This trend may have stemmed from a fear of causing trauma through discipline, but research shows that most children are resilient and can handle typical challenges. Parents need to find the courage to set rules, provide guidance, and let their children learn from their mistakes within reasonable boundaries.

    • Overprotective parenting can cause trauma and hinder resilienceParents should allow age-appropriate challenges to help children build resilience instead of shielding them from normal life experiences

      Overprotective parenting, driven by fear and misperceived risks, can inflict trauma and hinder a child's development of resilience. Mental health experts warn that separating children from their social world can cause trauma. However, the perception of danger in the world is at an all-time high due to social media and news media, causing parents to overestimate risks. This fear can lead to shielding children from normal life experiences, making them more vulnerable when they enter adulthood. Parents are the primary source of anxiety in children, and preventing them from taking risks can result in a reluctance to leave their comfort zone. Instead, parents should help their children build resilience by allowing them to face age-appropriate challenges and learn from them. This approach not only helps children grow but also reduces the overall anxiety within the family.

    • Lack of Confidence in Parenting Leads to Fearful KidsWestern parents' overreliance on expertise and fear of judgment has resulted in kids who are skilled but lack independence and risk-taking abilities, impacting future tech founders and overall independence.

      The current generation of parents, particularly in Western cultures, has lost confidence in their ability to raise children due to an overemphasis on professional expertise and a fear of being judged by other parents. This has resulted in a generation of kids who are highly talented but lack the ability to execute and take risks, leading to a lack of tech founders and a general fear of independence. This issue is not unique to North America and is a source of concern for immigrants from other cultures who observe a lack of authority and respect for adults in American parenting. The solution may involve a return to traditional parenting methods and a shift away from the belief that parenting requires a professional degree.

    • Disparities in mental health among races are complexMental health outcomes vary among different demographics, but attributing disparities to discomfort or repression is an oversimplification. Community support and structure play significant roles in mental health outcomes.

      While there may be disparities in mental health issues among different races, attributing these disparities to minorities being repressed or uncomfortable seeking help is oversimplified. The Latino immigrant paradox, where immigrants from lower socioeconomic backgrounds have better mental health outcomes, is not a paradox but a result of the support and community they receive. Within the country, mental health outcomes vary, with teenage girls suffering the most, but conservative families providing more structure and community may contribute to better mental health for their children. Over-emphasizing mental health and attempting to control emotional responses through interventions may inadvertently rob these experiences of their meaning and purpose.

    • Over-professionalizing social relationshipsInstead of trying to control friendships and parenting with scripts, focus on genuine connections and embracing human experiences.

      The over-professionalization of social relationships, including friendships and parenting, can rob them of their vitality and unique quirks that make them meaningful. Instead of trying to control the outcome or follow expected scripts, true friendship involves being present and supportive during all emotions and experiences. The intentions behind this professionalization may be good, but it can lead to awkward and artificial interactions that may not truly benefit individuals or their relationships. Instead, focus on fostering genuine connections and embracing the human experience.

    • Embrace Individuality and Unique RelationshipsParents should foster strength and resilience in children, celebrate differences, and raise awareness for health issues while embracing individuality and unique relationships.

      Despite the abundance of resources and connections available through technology and books, people are experiencing more social isolation than ever before. Instead of striving for societal approval or mental health-endorsed friendships, it's essential to embrace individuality and unique relationships. Parents play a crucial role in fostering strength and resilience in their children, allowing them to learn and grow through experiences while setting clear rules and boundaries. It's important to remember that everyone has their quirks and idiosyncrasies, and these differences should be celebrated rather than judged. Additionally, raising awareness for health issues like testicular cancer is essential, and companies like Manscaped are making a difference by providing necessary tools and contributing to charitable causes.

    • Over-reliance on mental health diagnoses and medication for children can do harmInstead of labeling kids with conditions and prescribing meds, focus on addressing environmental factors and fostering resilience

      Over-reliance on mental health diagnoses and medication, especially at a young age, can do more harm than good. Instead of immediately labeling children with conditions like ADHD or oppositional defiance disorder, we should focus on addressing environmental factors that might be contributing to their behavior. The stigma surrounding these diagnoses can lead to demoralization and a sense of helplessness for both parents and children. Additionally, the overprescription of medication can have serious side effects and long-term consequences. It's essential to remember that scraped knees are not the same as amputations, and that children are capable of overcoming challenges with the right support and resources. The default mindset needs to shift towards finding solutions outside of mental health diagnoses and medication, and towards fostering resilience and agency in children.

    • Mental health conditions impact children's development but can be managed effectivelyMental health conditions offer unique advantages when harnessed correctly, allowing children to learn coping mechanisms and thrive with the right support and resources.

      Mental health conditions, such as ADHD and anxiety, can significantly impact individuals during their formative years, but with the right support and time, they can learn to manage these conditions effectively. The speaker shared their personal experience of taking medication for ADHD as a teenager and being encouraged to come off it to learn coping mechanisms. They emphasized the importance of allowing children to experience failures and learn from them, as many successful adults have had similar experiences. Anxiety, in particular, can be both a challenge and an asset, providing heightened alertness and motivation. However, it's crucial not to delete essential parts of a child's development by medicating them unnecessarily. Emotionally stable systems theory in evolutionary psychology suggests that a diverse range of traits and behaviors within a community is optimal for survival. Conditions like depression, ADHD, and even schizophrenia can offer unique advantages when harnessed correctly. Ultimately, the journey to understanding and managing mental health conditions is a complex one, but with patience, resilience, and the right resources, individuals can thrive.

    • Embracing Differences for SuccessUnique traits, even those causing friction, can contribute to a group's adaptability and success. Embrace diversity and the essential role each individual plays in a larger community.

      Our differences, whether they cause discomfort or not, contribute to the adaptability and success of a group. Using personal experiences, the speaker highlights how being a rule-breaker as a child led her to find a place in journalism. She emphasizes that everyone's unique traits, even the ones that may cause friction, can be a strength. In the context of the conversation, the speaker also references her experiences with backlash from her book on gender dysphoria, acknowledging that while it was hurtful on a personal level, she believed in the importance of her work. Overall, the conversation underscores the importance of embracing diversity and the unique qualities that make each individual an essential part of a larger community.

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    💡Witness how he transforms his life by consciously deciding to change his narrative and help victims of abuse.


    𝑰𝑵𝑻𝑹𝑰𝑮𝑼𝑬𝑫- 

    ➡️ 𝙃𝙤𝙬 𝙤𝙛𝙩𝙚𝙣 𝙙𝙤 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙜𝙚𝙩 𝙚𝙣𝙘𝙤𝙪𝙧𝙖𝙜𝙚𝙙 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙫𝙖𝙡𝙞𝙙𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙙 𝙗𝙮 𝙤𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧𝙨❓


    To learn more about Chris visit: https://christopherloefflerlcsw.com/

    Episode 58 - A Life of Crisis to Cycle of Lives

    Episode 58 - A Life of Crisis to Cycle of Lives
    𝗖𝗼𝗻𝗻𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗶𝗻 𝗔 𝗧𝗿𝘂𝗲 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗔𝘂𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗶𝗰 𝗪𝗮𝘆 - 𝗛𝗼𝘄❓

    🎙 In this week’s podcast interview, experience a very powerful story of how an endurance athlete sets out on a journey of discovery and cycles 5000 miles to spend quality time connecting in a true and authentic way with 15 cancer victims.

    Living in an abusive relationship, being overweight, a smoker, and a father to two wonderful twins - he hits rock bottom and embraces honest advice from a friend “to look at himself in the mirror and sort his life out”.

    He is later confronted with the sad loss of his role model and beloved sister to terminal brain cancer. This became the ultimate catalyst for change.

    💡Encounter how he completely turns his life around and dedicates time to discovering how people who are stricken with cancer manage the emotional side of their trauma. Why are we not so capable of talking about the emotional side of trauma?


    𝑰𝑵𝑻𝑹𝑰𝑮𝑼𝑬𝑫-

    ➡️ 𝙍𝙚𝙛𝙡𝙚𝙘𝙩 - 𝙃𝙤𝙬 𝙤𝙛𝙩𝙚𝙣 𝙙𝙤 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙘𝙤𝙣𝙣𝙚𝙘𝙩 𝙞𝙣 𝙖 𝙩𝙧𝙪𝙚 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙖𝙪𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙣𝙩𝙞𝙘 𝙬𝙖𝙮❓