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    How Long Does It Take to Make Friends (And How Does That Process Work, Anyway)?

    enJanuary 24, 2022

    Podcast Summary

    • Three Levels of Friends: Acquaintances, Casual Friends, and Close FriendsIt takes approximately 50 hours to move from an acquaintance to a casual friend and around 200 hours to transition from a casual friend to a close friend, but expectations, personality, and other factors also impact the friendship process.

      According to Jeffrey Hall, a professor of communication studies, there are three levels of friends in the friendship hierarchy: acquaintances, casual friends, and close friends. Acquaintances are people we know by name, but don't know well. Casual friends are those we have shared interests or activities with, but don't confide in deeply. Close friends are those with whom we share personal information and emotional support. Hall's research suggests it takes approximately 50 hours of interaction to move from an acquaintance to a casual friend, and around 200 hours to transition from a casual friend to a close friend. However, the process of making friends isn't just about time; expectations, personality, and other factors also play a role. For instance, men and women, as well as different personality types, may have varying expectations for what it means to be friends. When these expectations don't align, friendships can become challenging.

    • Categories of Friends: Best, Those, and CasualFriendships come in various forms based on emotional connection and interaction. Mutual recognition of liking and understanding are crucial in forming friendships, which can occur quickly and be observed through shared humor, understanding, and nonverbal cues.

      Friendships come in different forms and levels of intimacy. According to the discussion, there are three categories of friends: best friends, those friends, and casual friends. Best friends are those with whom we have strong emotional connections and prefer over others. Those friends are people we consider friends, but may not be as close as best friends. Casual friends are acquaintances we interact with regularly but wouldn't necessarily choose to spend our free time with. Interestingly, the level of interaction and time spent with someone does not solely determine the depth of friendship. Instead, a mutual recognition of liking and understanding between two people plays a crucial role in the formation of a friendship. This recognition can occur swiftly, often within the first conversation, and is an essential factor in determining friend potential. Additionally, people tend to make quick judgments about potential friends based on their personality, similarities, and ability to respond positively to our communication. This process of recognizing liking and friendship potential is often described as a "click" and can be observed through shared humor, understanding, and nonverbal cues. In summary, friendships are complex and multifaceted, and the depth of a friendship depends on both the level of interaction and the mutual recognition of liking between two individuals.

    • Making Friends Takes Time and EffortTo develop a deeper friendship, spend time together outside of work and take risks to deepen self-disclosure.

      While we can quickly identify potential friends based on shared interests or humor, developing a friendship takes time and intentional effort. At work, this may involve changing routines to spend more time with someone, but to move beyond a casual friendship, risks must be taken and time spent outside of work is necessary. Invitations for activities outside of work can be a turning point, but there's social awkwardness that comes with making those invitations. The study "Friendship Hours" suggests that time spent together, especially hanging out, increases the likelihood of a friendship becoming more intimate. However, time spent only at work decreases this likelihood. Self-disclosure, or talking about personal details, also plays a role in developing a deeper friendship.

    • Building a close friendship takes more than just time togetherIt takes effort, time, and vulnerability to build a close friendship, with self-disclosure, meaningful conversations, and everyday life catch-ups playing key roles. The transition from acquaintance to best friend can take up to 200 hours.

      Developing a close friendship goes beyond just spending time together and requires a combination of self-disclosure, meaningful conversations, and catching up on everyday life. These interactions help build intimacy and increase the chances of moving from an acquaintance to a casual friend, and eventually to a best friend. The study suggests that it takes between 40 to 60 hours of time for the transition from acquaintance to casual friend, 80 to 100 hours for the transition to a friend, and potentially over 200 hours for a best friendship. The length of time depends on the accumulation of hours spent with the person and the diversification of experiences shared. Ultimately, developing a close friendship takes effort, time, and a willingness to be vulnerable.

    • Building deep friendships takes time and effortIt can take over 200 hours to develop a best friend, but patience and investment in relationships that matter pays off.

      Making deep, meaningful friendships as an adult takes time and patience. Studies suggest it can take around 200 hours or more to develop a best friend, which can be accumulated through time spent together at work, school, and outside activities. This process can be spread out over several years, unlike in high school or college where people can meet and become best friends quickly due to the abundance of time and opportunities. However, as adults, we're often in different stages of life and not everyone may be open to forming new friendships. Other obstacles to making friends as an adult can include busy schedules, lack of social circles, and feeling uncomfortable putting yourself out there. It's important to remember that building friendships is a gradual process and requires effort from both parties. Be patient, stay open to new connections, and invest time in the relationships that matter to you.

    • Make friendships a priorityTo maintain and build friendships, prioritize them, schedule time, and make them non-negotiable.

      Despite the value we place on work in the United States and the challenges of geographic mobility and family commitments, friendship is an essential component of a fulfilling life that requires intentional effort. The cultural norms of the past, which encouraged people to spend more time outside their homes building friendships, have given way to a society where work, mobility, and family responsibilities have curtailed the time and value we place on friendship. To maintain and build friendships, it's necessary to prioritize them, schedule time for them, and make them a non-negotiable part of our lives. Research suggests that anticipating and looking forward to social interactions can even enhance our enjoyment of them. So, if you want to keep your friendships strong, don't wait for them to happen naturally – make them a priority.

    • The Importance of Both Casual and Best FriendshipsInvesting time in both casual and best friendships contributes to overall well-being. Consistent communication is key for best friendships, while a network of casual friends can be beneficial for reconnecting.

      The value of friendships lies in both the relational and communication aspects. While some friendships may naturally evolve into more casual ones over time, the loss of these friendships may not be felt as deeply. However, for best friendships, consistent communication is crucial to maintain the emotional and relational connection, even if the frequency of in-person interactions decreases. Prioritizing regular communication can help sustain a strong bond, regardless of physical distance. Additionally, having a network of casual friends can be beneficial for reconnecting in new environments. Overall, investing time and effort in both types of friendships contributes to overall well-being.

    • The importance of trust and genuine care in a close friendshipExpect trust, care, and shared interests from your close friends, but don't set unrealistic expectations to maintain a healthy and fulfilling relationship.

      The ability to pick up a relationship with an old friend and feel the same closeness and camaraderie despite time and distance is a defining characteristic of a close friendship. The expectations each person has for the friendship also play a significant role in making and maintaining it. According to the research, the most important expectation is a sense of trust and genuine care, where the friend is there for you, values you, and their concern for you is genuine. Other factors include similar values and hobbies. It's essential to expect enough from your friends to maintain the relationship but not so much that you're disappointed when they don't meet every expectation. This "cultivated complexity" allows for a healthy and fulfilling friendship.

    • Friendships and their complex expectationsFriendships evolve based on emotional and social development, with different levels and expectations. Childhood friendships focus on enjoyment, adolescent friendships on emotional intimacy, and adult friendships on virtue. Expectations vary by gender.

      Expectations in friendships are complex and multifaceted, and they develop throughout our lives based on our emotional and social development. According to the speaker, there are different levels of friendships, including instrumental or utilitarian friendships, friendships of enjoyment, and friendships of virtue. These levels align with Aristotle's ideas of different types of friendships. The development of these expectations starts early in childhood and becomes more complex as social issues become more intricate during adolescence. The speaker also notes that there are gender differences in friendship expectations, with women generally having a higher expectation of emotional intimacy and self-disclosure. Overall, the expectations we have for our friendships shape the nature and depth of our relationships.

    • Men value status in friendships, introverts have deeper friendshipsMen prioritize friends with high status, while introverts have fewer but deeper friendships. Friendships vary widely and add value in unique ways.

      While men and women share similar expectations for friendship such as genuine connection and trustworthiness, men tend to place a higher value on status and friends with high-paying jobs or access to influential networks. Introverts and extroverts also value friends differently, with introverts having fewer but deeper friendships, while extroverts have more casual friendships with a larger social circle. These differences can lead to misunderstandings, but they also highlight the diversity and richness of friendships. Ultimately, it's important to remember that friendships come in all shapes and sizes, and the unique qualities of each friendship make them valuable in their own way.

    • Friendship Expectations and Drifting ApartFriendships can face disengagement due to unmet expectations, but addressing communication frequency or reciprocity can help. Deeper disagreements, like trust or intimacy violations, require more effort to repair.

      While friendships can provide various forms of fulfillment and bring out different aspects of ourselves, they can also encounter differences in expectations that may lead to disengagement. Unlike romantic relationships, friends rarely discuss these issues and often just drift apart. However, addressing more concrete issues like communication frequency or reciprocity can help smooth things over. But when it comes to deeper disagreements, such as trust or intimacy violations, repairing the friendship becomes much more challenging. Overall, the cultural dialogue around addressing and resolving friendship expectations is lacking, making it a complex and nuanced aspect of relationships.

    • Maintaining Healthy Friendships in AdulthoodConsistent follow-through and intentional effort are crucial for healthy friendships. Recognize that some individuals may not initiate contact due to personality traits, not a lack of interest. Support your partner's friendships and foster your own for overall happiness.

      Consistent follow-through and intentional effort are crucial in maintaining healthy friendships, especially in adulthood. People value reliability and appreciation in relationships. It's essential to recognize that some individuals may not be as proactive in initiating contact due to personality traits and not a lack of interest. Additionally, being supportive of your partner's friendships and fostering your own can lead to greater overall happiness in relationships. To learn more about these topics and Jeffrey Hall's research, visit the Relationships and Technology Lab at the University of Kansas. Don't forget to check out the A1 Podcast archives and articles at artofmalance.com, and for ad-free listening, sign up for a free month trial on Stitcher Premium using the code MALANCE.

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    Full Transcript

    Darlene Gillard  (00:00):
    Having been an entrepreneur for most of my adult life, one of the things that I've come to understand is that you really need people who you can trust 100% of the time. People who will be giving you advice, guidance, and sometimes help as you continue to grow your business. And that group of people, whether they're your family or friends, mentors, former bosses or colleagues, whoever are going to be critical to the success of your business as well as your personal success, there are a lot of decisions that you'll need to make over the course of your entrepreneurial journey. And it's just nice to have people you can lean on and who care about you for you and not about what you can do for them. 

    Kathryn Finney (00:50):
    A corporate advisory board gives strategic advice on the management of the business. Your personal advisory board gives strategic advice on the management of you on this episode of the Build a Damn thing. Find out how strong support system, aka your personal advisory board, can help you create the business you've always wanted. 

    Kathryn Finney (01:11):
    Building a personal advisory board is critical to your success. As you think about building your personal advisory board, think about areas in which you need help and where you have a weakness. They are the people who really give you the advice and direction and sometimes the slap up on the head that you need to be able to really get through this process of building. And for me, I have a lot of people who are in my advisory board, my mother, I have my close friends like Darlene, Gill Jones, Darlene, and I started off working together and then became great friends. She is the godmother to my son. Darlene has a particular talent that I do not have, which is she has the ability to speak cuckoo. I do have very low tolerance for kooky people. Darlene is able to do that, and that's really helpful for me as someone who's very impatient, to have a friend who is patient, who can say, Hey, here's how to approach this. Or even sometimes, You know what? Let me just talk to them. Catherine, you're all in the clouds. You're down the road. We don't need for you to be in this mindset because we need you to be in the clouds. We need you to be building and we don't need you to be distracted. And that has been enormously helpful for me 

    Darlene Gillard  (02:32):
    With so many things being thrown at her while leading these various organizations, having so many responsibilities and having to deal with so many personalities from the staff to partners and everyone in between. It can be challenging and a distraction for her to have to always manage it alone. So I come in and I can diffuse almost any situation. My name is Darlene Gillard Jones. I'm the owner of Copper Media Group and executive producer and friend of Catherine Finns. I'm a critical and empathetic listener, and I really do pride myself on being able to meet people where they are. If you're from the hood, I can speak hood if you're a billionaire ceo, I speak that language too, and I've been in many situations that required me to fully lean into that thing of meeting people where they are. And if you're not able to do that, then you should have someone in your inner circle who you can lean on to release you from that. 

    Kathryn Finney 03:38):
    I also have Brian who's been a really great advisory board member because he's so analytical and just so good. There are people who are just good in the world and who want others to truly win. And he's one of those people who is just really, really good and so very different from me, , which is what I love. I seek out people who are not like me because I want people who see things differently. I like to be challenged, I like to rethink things and he thinks sees things so differently. And that's so important to me to have a friend who's a member of my advisory board who doesn't see the world the same way I do, and gives me a glimpse and pushes me to rethink things in how I approach people. And that's been particularly helpful as an investor where I've needed that sounding board. And I know that Brian will always tell me the truth, even if it's hard for me to hear. And you need somebody who's gonna be a truth teller to you, you need that person in your advisory board. 

    Brian Aoaeh (04:46):
    What I have learned is that wherever your wife there are people, there's going to be discrimination. Racism is one form of discrimination. And I tell people, when I lived in Ghana, I faced discrimination. When I lived in Nigeria, I faced discrimination. Now in the United States especially one of the problems that I've learned to overcome is that typically when I walk into a room, one, I'm the only person who looks like me. And then two is that people assume that I don't know what I'm talking about and question how I got where I am. And so I have to demonstrate that I earned my right to be in that room and participate in the conversation like anyone else. My name is Brian Long Aware. I am a co-founder in general partner of Refashioned Ventures, and I am the co-founder of the Worldwide Supply Chain Federation. When you are going through those difficult times, the people who stand by you, the people who stand up for you, the people who check in on how you're doing, even if that is all that they do, those are the people that you should keep close. Those are the people that you should keep close. Those are the people that you should cling to. Those are the people whose opinions you should worry about. And everyone else, people can. People who are listening to audio can't see this, but , I just shrugged. Everyone else is just okay. I mean, that's interesting. That's your opinion. It's not necessarily a reality. 

    Kathryn Finney (06:37):
    My friend, Denetria Lewis, who's a mentee, a dear friend she's worked for me, she understands social media and the social media space and community. No one I know. And so she's been really helpful to me of saying, Okay, Katherine, we know you don't like to do lives. We know you don't like to do Instagram, but you need to do it and here's why. And let me give you some advice. Here's some things that you maybe wanna pose. Here's some things that you might wanna amplify. And so those are the type of people you can have on your personal advisory board. People do need to prove to you that they are basically worthy of being in that first layer. But the lesson, I think this is for any black woman who's truly a leader, is be very careful and it's something I have not done well. And I'll admit, be very careful about who you confide in. Be very careful about who's in your first layer of people and keep it very small and very tight. And that is not something that I have done well with. 

    Kendra Bracken Ferguson (07:52):
    Who are the people around you? Who do you trust when it's hard? When you have to make a decision? Some of that is gut and you gotta listen to your gut. And then some of that is having the right group that will tell you when you are not thinking correctly or when you need to think about something else. But at the end of the day, we have to be the voice, the guiding light for the next generation. That's what keeps me going. Hi, my name is Kendra Brocken Ferguson. I'm an entrepreneur, founder, advisor, investor, and the founder of Brain Trust. I've learned to ask for help. I've learned to raise my hand and I've had to trust people around me to help me carry the vision forward. I created my company Brain Trust because what I learned as an entrepreneur and my first company is that I wanted to be around smart people. And I wanted to be around people that I trust, people that I trust to what they say and say what they're gonna do and to actually do it. And that integrity piece is just so important. 

    - Commercial Break - 

    Felecia Hatcher (09:41):
    I'm a mother and I have a six year old and I don't have the luxury of just relying on myself because when I need to travel or I need to do something for work, I'm going to need someone to watch him. And so my community is very important to me because they allow me to do what I need to do. And community is not just biological family. I'm talking about the people around you who support you and allow you to do what you need to do to be the best that you can be. All of us who know the importance of having this community of people and support around us, particularly as we're building companies, entrepreneurship is hard. It's not easy, it is tough, it is exhausting. But knowing that you have people behind you who are there to support you, who can do things, even as little as this cooking dinner and bringing over a dish for you on the night that you're just so exhausted, like little things like that are really crucial to our success and has been crucial to my own success. 

    I could not have done any of this along the way, along the years without the support of my family and mentors. I will never be a person that says, I am self-made. I am not right. I am community made. I am tribe made. I am family made for sure. And so my husband, True and true has been the biggest supporter, right? We have a family. We have two kids, and so my parents as well, some really great people and friends. I think if you're fortunate enough, you won't have a lot of friends in this lifetime, True Friends, but you'll have a few that absolutely have your back, and it's my obligation to do the same thing and be the backbone. My name is Felicia Hatcher and I am the CEO of Black Ambition and the co-founder of the Center for Black Innovation. I've had some really great mentors along the way, some that are informal mentors that I can shoot an email to or you know, see them in media press and you're motivated by their story. 

    And then some direct mentors. Matt Hagman used to be the former program director at Knight Foundation is someone who is an absolute mentor. And I know sometimes as black people, it's hard to say a white person was like a white man was our mentor, but someone that believed in our idea prior to in our ideas, prior to most people, or when most people were laughing at us you can never not mention that in how supportive that is. And someone just kind of believing in you when you're on the brink of thinking that your idea is just so crazy because so many people have said, No, 

    Kathryn Finney (12:20):
    It can also be your children. For me, I consider my son as a part of my personal advisory board. He's only six. He just learned how to write his first and last name, but he is hilarious. And you need that humor on your personal advisory board too. And so when he is just funny, he can be a lot because he is my child. So of course he would have to be that way. But for every time he makes me laugh and he makes me laugh. No one else or my mother who's got a particular skill set that she's developed over many years of just like blocking crazy family members. Every time there's a big article that comes front of me, I need her on my advisory board. I need that person to tell cousin, blah, blah, blah. No, no, you're not having Catherine's phone number. No, she's not writing you a check. Continue. Next, How's your mama doing? Right? You need to have have those sort of people on your advisory board. When you think of your personal advisory board, don't think of it in terms of the board that you have for your company. Think of it, the people who are in the business of you and the people who wanna see you win and succeed and who are doing things and willing and excited to see you succeed. 

    Lisa DeRoche (13:38):
    I have researched mentoring at length, and I recognize the importance of being able to bring individuals to the table who have more experience in a situation that you might have. I tend to keep around me. Advisors who I recognize will not only have experience with a particular challenge, but they will also tell me the truth, which I think is number one in value when you are looking to grow individually. I have a spiritual advisor, I have a brand advisor, both from a how do I look and present myself as well as how do I tell my story. I also look at many family members as advisors in my corner those of which who I know care about me and my future, and oftentimes sitting down with the matriarchs of my family. 

    My name is Lisa DeRoche. I'm a doctor of business and HR executive and author and chair of the Board of Girls Inc. Of Long Island. Sitting down and having conversations with individuals in their eighties has been one of the most enlightening experiences that I can have because history repeats itself and the lessons tend to be the same both in entrepreneurship, in resilience, in business, and really being able to go after the things that you want. I've heard from many who are older who have traveled the road and can give you the best advice. So I believe an advisory board is a perfect opportunity to help you on your journey in this thing we call life. 

    Kathryn Finney (15:45):
    When you are a woman entrepreneur or a person of color, entrepreneur or maybe an entrepreneur who comes from a disadvantaged background economically, how much you have to rely on your family and your friends and your community to really support you and to help you do what you wanna do. And for me my community supported me throughout the writing of this book and I'm writing and I'm like, Oh my gosh. Community really is our biggest resource and our biggest asset. When you are an entrepreneur in your building, 

    Kathryn Finney (16:19):
    When starting a business, you have to ask yourself, is the solution I'm offering actually solving the problem? And if so, will people pay for it on the next episode of Build a Damn Thing? Myself and others will tell you how we navigated the startup space and learn to solve problems that were big enough to scale.

    Dr. Glenn & Phyllis Hill: From 25 Years of Pain to Passion: Secrets to Emotional Intimacy

    Dr. Glenn & Phyllis Hill: From 25 Years of Pain to Passion: Secrets to Emotional Intimacy

    Dr. Glenn and Phyllis Hill spent the first 30 years of their marriage dealing with major conflicts, especially when it came to their sex life, which inspired his reason to become a Marriage and family Therapist and a Clinical Sexologist. In this vulnerable conversation, Phyllis and Glenn reveal their journey from a disastrous wedding night to having the best sex of their lives in their 60s. They share hard-won insights like the 19-second rule to end triggers, why reassurance can damage relationships, and their innovative Core Emotion Wheel technique. 

    After 45 years together, Glenn and Phyllis are living proof that emotional intimacy only gets better with time. Join them to discover the secrets that can get your relationship out of blame and into love.

    IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL HEAR:

    • The one question to ask that instantly diffuses fights and triggers 
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