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    Mayim Bialik On: Anxiety, Anger, Believing in Both Neuroscience and God, and the Pressures of Being a Teen TV Star

    enMay 22, 2023

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    • From Teen Star to Neuroscience PhD: Mayim Bialik's JourneyMayim Bialik shows the importance of being open about mental health challenges and utilizing coping mechanisms. Her story reminds us that growth and learning can happen at any age.

      Mayim Bialik, the guest of the 10% Happier podcast, shares her life story- from being a teen star in the TV show Blossom to getting a PhD in neuroscience and becoming the host of Jeopardy. She talks about her fascination with the brain, how she balances her scientific expertise and religious beliefs, and her personal struggle with mental health challenges. Mayim discusses the importance of openness about one's psychiatric history and reveals the tools she uses to cope with her anxiety and panic disorder. She also talks about her decision to take a break from work and how she is still learning to express anger in a healthy way at the age of 47.

    • Mayim Bialik's Regular Life as a Graduate StudentEven with fame, Mayim Bialik lived a regular life as a graduate student, working various jobs and taking care of her own children, and had to work hard to catch up to her subjects. Her interest in neuroscience began with discussions on nature vs. nurture, which was a hot topic in the early '90s.

      Mayim Bialik, contrary to popular belief, lived a regular life as a graduate student, even while being a famous actress. She worked as a tutor, taught Hebrew and piano, and even conducted sex education classes in high school. Despite her fame, Bialik didn't have a nanny, housekeeper, or chef and took care of her kids herself. Although her professors recognized her, her fellow students had mixed reactions, and she had to work hard to catch up to her subjects by taking remedial classes. Her interest in neuroscience stemmed from discussions on nature vs. nurture, which was a hot topic in the early '90s, along with homosexuality.

    • Mayim Bialik's Journey to Studying Neurons and the BrainWith passion for learning and discipline, even challenging subjects can become fascinating. Finding one's niche can lead to success and opportunities in unexpected fields.

      Mayim Bialik's interest in studying the brain and nervous system stemmed from her desire to understand the world at a deeper level. Her passion for learning and the discipline instilled by her parents allowed her to apply her skills to a subject that fascinated her. Neurons are specialized cells in the brain and nervous system that communicate with each other through the release of ions. As someone who was initially behind in chemistry and calculus, Bialik found her niche in Psychobiology, a class that taught the basics of human behavior and the physiology of the neuron. She eventually studied obsessive-compulsive disorder in individuals with broader Willy syndrome and worked in the field of mental retardation.

    • The Divine Connection between Science and Spirituality.Our brain's electrical impulses facilitate our consciousness, emotions, and sensory experiences. This process is revered as divine by some religious individuals, who believe that there is a connection between science and spirituality.

      The transfer of information through electrical impulses in the brain and nervous system is the basis for consciousness, emotional regulation, and all sensory experiences. It is also the basis for love and how we perceive ourselves as separate entities. The understanding of this process is considered divine by some, including those who hold religious beliefs. The connection between science and spirituality is strong in certain individuals who feel that there is a divine hand behind everything we see and experience at both a day-to-day and molecular level.

    • Finding Meaningful Spirituality Beyond Religious BoundariesBelief in something greater than oneself can come from different sources and perceptions, not just from traditional religious beliefs. Personal rituals and stories hold value, and spirituality can be found in different ways, as we navigate life together with its imperfections and blessings.

      Belief in something greater than oneself does not necessarily have to be tied to a specific religious doctrine or deity. It can also be a belief in nature or the universe, and the faith that certain universal principles, such as gravity, will continue to operate. Rituals and stories in religious texts may not be taken literally, but they still hold meaning and value for individuals. Religion is not a one-size-fits-all approach and people can find spirituality and connection in different ways. Ultimately, we are all exploring and navigating the human experience together, with its complexities and moments of both joy and pain.

    • Mayim Bialik on Being Neurodiverse and Understanding Mental Health ChallengesIt's crucial to understand and address mental health challenges, and self-diagnosis should be avoided. Mayim clarifies the set of behaviors required for an OCD diagnosis and emphasizes the benefits of understanding one's own diagnosis through scientific learning.

      Mayim Bialik discusses her experience with being neurodiverse and how she was born with a mental health challenge. She talks about studying obsessive-compulsive disorder and gaining insight into her own diagnosis. She believes that being a scientist has allowed her to have a full experience as a human. Mayim clarifies the misconception of people self-diagnosing with O C D and describes the set of externalizing behaviors required for diagnosis. She mentions living with her rituals and its diagnosis for generalized anxiety disorder with a complicated psychiatric history. Overall, the conversation sheds light on mental health challenges and emphasizes the importance of understanding and addressing the issue.

    • Understanding the Significance of Proper Support during Hormonal Shifts and Mental Health DiagnosisProper support and awareness of the complexity of mental health issues is crucial for young girls and women going through hormonal changes. Diagnosis can help, but overdiagnosis and pathologizing carry risks as well.

      Proper support for young girls and women going through hormonal shifts is important as doctors often medicate and fail to understand the the complexity of these changes. Mayim Bialik shares her experience of being diagnosed with different conditions, including ADHD, hoarding, and being a highly sensitive person. Being in therapy since a young age gave her self-awareness, making it easier to self-diagnose. Though helpful to have a diagnosis, there is a risk of overdiagnosis and being pathologized. However, having some order placed on the universe by a diagnosis can help understand oneself and get treatment. The key takeaway is to understand the importance of proper support and awareness of the ambiguities and complexities of mental issues.

    • Understanding the differences between panic and anxiety attacks to help identify and treat them effectively.Education on mental illnesses is crucial. Open communication about mental health, accurate diagnosis and treatment can help individuals with mental illnesses function better. The stigma surrounding mental health is gradually decreasing, with more public figures vocalizing their struggles.

      Understanding the difference between panic attacks and anxiety attacks can help in identifying and treating them effectively. Panic attacks include a dissociative component where the individual loses touch with reality, and this fear can often bring on another attack. Anxiety attacks involve heightened physiological symptoms like palpitations and sweating. While there is a spectrum of mental health issues, everyone can learn to cope better and function easier with appropriate help. It is essential to have a better understanding of mental illnesses and stop treating them with hyperbole. Being open about mental health issues is a human right, and individuals need to know the right diagnosis and treatment. Talking about mental illness is still stigmatized, but with more public figures being vocal, it is gradually becoming normalized.

    • Breaking the Barriers: Mental Health Support for AllMental health support should be accessible to all, regardless of financial status. Avoid labeling generations as "anxious" and recognize the impact of addiction or alcoholism as a family disease. Even those without a diagnosis can benefit from improvement and introspection, and awareness about mental health struggles must be provided especially during pandemics.

      Access to mental health support should not be only for the rich as many people can benefit from some form of introspection and betterment. While teenagers face real mental health problems, repeatedly telling them that they are part of an anxious generation might make them more likely to think that mild symptoms indicate serious mental health issues. Mayim Bialik emphasizes the importance of mental health support and the impact of addiction or alcoholism as a family disease. She believes anyone can benefit from some form of improvement and introspection, even those without a diagnosis. Bialik began a podcast in collaboration with her partner to provide awareness on mental health struggles during the pandemic, as she realized the lack of basic counseling and support resources.

    • Combatting the Culture of Over-Diagnosis and Over-Attachment to DiagnosesEncourage seeking professional help while acknowledging unique human experiences and reminding individuals of their own inner resources. Hold space for others to talk about their problems.

      The culture of over-diagnosis and over-attachment to diagnoses as an excuse for thinking, feeling, and behaving is prevalent in the society. There is a lack of nuance in how people approach difficult topics such as mental health, and people often self-diagnose themselves instead of seeking proper professional help. It is important to encourage people to get support and access resources. Although resources are available, it is equally essential to remind people that the resources they need are within themselves if they are appropriately educated and have access to relevant resources. The human experience is unique to everyone, and it's crucial to acknowledge that all individuals have problems. It is significant to hold space for people and encourage them to talk about their issues and seek proper professional advice.

    • The Importance of Tolerance and Balancing UncertaintyIn a society where comfort and certainty are preferred, it is crucial to tolerate diverse thoughts and live in tension while maintaining a connection to something larger than oneself. Balancing unpredictability and uncertainty is key in life.

      The inability to tolerate people with different thoughts and opinions is a growing problem in society. Nuance is missing from conversations as cocooning into certainties is more comfortable. Having a connection to something larger than oneself and the ability to live in tension is crucial. The pace of the internet and social media condition us to lack patience and miss nuances. Mayim Bialik's formative years were punctuated by unpredictability and uncertainty due to her father's Bipolar two condition. It's essential to balance unpredictability and uncertainty while doing the best we can in life.

    • Coping with Childhood Trauma and Seeking Personal GrowthGrowing up in emotionally stressful households can lead to unhealthy coping mechanisms. Seeking help through programs like Al-Anon and practicing meditation and yoga can aid in healing and personal growth. Taking life one day at a time and behaving with grace and dignity can also help improve one's overall well-being.

      Growing up in a complex and emotionally stressful household can affect children's behavior and personality. Children from homes like these often grow up with a strong sense of control and may develop unhealthy coping mechanisms such as eating disorders. Programs like Al-Anon, based on the 12 steps of Alcoholics Anonymous, can be helpful for individuals who grew up in such homes. Finding solace and support through meditation and yoga can help individuals quiet the voices and noise experienced from their past, leading to healing and personal growth. Mayim Bialik chose to live her life seeking to clean up her side of the street and behave as a woman of grace and dignity as much as she can, while taking it one day at a time.

    • Mayim Bialik opens up about her personal struggles and the importance of self-care.Prioritizing mental and physical health, acknowledging emotions, and ongoing self-reflection are crucial in growth and personal development, even for those in privileged positions.

      Mayim Bialik talks about her addiction to work, financial insecurity, and the importance of taking care of her mind and body through therapy, meditation, and proper sleep hygiene. She is learning to feel her feelings and express anger in a healthy way. Despite being in a position of privilege, she has a lot of angst and cares deeply about many things. She is constantly growing and evolving as a person and has realized that life is not about reaching a destination but about continuing to grow through challenges and experiences. It is important to be self-aware, honest with oneself, and have gratitude for what one has even while recognizing areas for growth.

    • Prioritizing Self-Care and Therapy for Emotional StabilityTaking care of yourself and seeking therapy is not another task on your to-do list, but an essential aspect of maintaining emotional sobriety and leading a more balanced life. Prioritize self-care and make room for rest and downtime to manage life better and have healthier relationships.

      Mayim Bialik emphasizes the importance of self-care and therapy to maintain emotional sobriety. She has learned to find balance between not busying herself with self-care and getting to be a human being and not a human doing. Her life is more manageable, and her relationships are healthier. She has realized that taking care of herself and her mental health is not just another form of busyness but a crucial aspect that helps her maintain emotional stability. By working less, she has created more room for rest and downtime. Therefore, it is essential to prioritize self-care and therapy to stay emotionally sober and lead a more balanced life.

    • Mayim Bialik on Dealing with Criticism and Honesty in the Entertainment IndustryBeing a public figure comes with criticism and challenges, but staying true to oneself and prioritizing diversity and complex female characters can make an impact. Trust and honesty are crucial in professional relationships.

      Mayim Bialik shares her experience as a public figure who constantly deals with criticism and judgment on her physical appearance and the challenges of maintaining her own health and sanity in the entertainment industry. She also highlights the importance of trust and honesty in her professional relationships and how it is a constant struggle for her as people often lie to her. Despite facing these challenges, she remains committed to producing and portraying complicated characters, especially strong and interesting women who struggle in ways that are funny, entertaining, and interesting. Additionally, she highlights her proud heritage and the importance of diversity in the media, especially for non-traditional leading lady looking women like her.

    • Mayim Bialik on her New Podcast and Movie - Science and Mental Health on AirBeing open about mental health issues is powerful and helpful. Mayim's movie 'As They Fade Us' is a labor of mental health support, and listeners of her podcast will surely enjoy it.

      Mayim Bialik talks about her podcast 'Mayim Bialik's Breakdown', where she discusses science and mental health. She also speaks about her movie 'As They Fade Us', featuring Dustin Hoffman, Candace Bergen, Simon Helberg, and Diana Aron, which is available on Showtime. The film was a labor of mental health support, and all the actors chose to do it for personal reasons. Mayim believes that people who enjoyed her conversation on the podcast will also enjoy watching the movie. Being open about mental health issues is powerful and helpful, as Mayim says. She thanks Dan Harris for having her on the show and gives her gratitude towards the end.

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    • The limitation of mindfulness meditation as a self-improvement practice
    • The quote, “open your mouth and you’re wrong” 
    • Jon Kabat-Zinn’s definition of of healing 



    Full Shownotes: https://www.tenpercent.com/podcast-episode/jon-kabat-zinn-580 


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    Gretchen Rubin on: How To Use Your Five Senses To Reduce Anxiety, Increase Creativity, and Improve Your Relationships

    Gretchen Rubin on: How To Use Your Five Senses To Reduce Anxiety, Increase Creativity, and Improve Your Relationships

    Today’s guest is a happiness expert and devout non-meditator. In her latest book Life in Five Senses: How Exploring the Senses Got Me Out of My Head and Into the World, she describes how a routine visit to her eye doctor made her realize she’d been overlooking a key element of happiness: her five senses. 


    Gretchen Rubin is the author of many books, including the New York Times bestsellers Outer Order, Inner Calm; The Four Tendencies; Better Than Before; and The Happiness Project. Her books have sold more than 3.5 million copies worldwide, and have been translated in more than thirty languages. She also hosts the top-ranking, award-winning podcast Happier with Gretchen Rubin


    In this episode we talk about:


    • What led Gretchen to explore the five senses
    • How we often take our senses for granted
    • How our senses work with the brain to impact our perception 
    • The relationship between the senses and nostalgia 
    • The surprising power of ketchup and vanilla when it comes to the sense of taste
    • The sense of hearing and what she calls her “Audio Apothecary” 
    • How to be a better listener
    • The interplay between the senses of taste and smell
    • The sense of touch and the use of comfort objects   
    • Why she decided to visit The Metropolitan Museum of Art everyday to explore the five senses
    • And how she uses the five senses to boost creativity  



    Full Shownotes: https://www.tenpercent.com/podcast-episode/gretchen-rubin-588

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    A Three Part Plan for Anxiety | Dr. Luana Marques

    A Three Part Plan for Anxiety | Dr. Luana Marques

    The notion of “being your authentic self” might sound like too much of a tired trope, but getting real and stripping away your fears and hang-ups can help you live a more meaningful life. 


    In her new book, “Bold Move: A 3-Step Plan to Transform Anxiety into Power”, Dr. Luana Marques shares her story about growing up in chaos and learning early skills of cognitive behavioral therapy that helped her cope with anxiety and live boldly. 


    Dr. Luana Marques is an Associate Professor of Psychology at Harvard Medical School, a former president of the Anxiety and Depression Association of America (ADAA), and a renowned mental health expert, educator, and author.

    In this episode we talk about:

    • Luana’s personal story growing up in Brazil and struggling with anxiety as a child
    • What it means to live boldly
    • What is psychological avoidance and the 3 R’s of Avoidance
    • Luana’s three step plan to transform anxiety into power
    • How to be comfortably uncomfortable
    • Why the brain is a faulty predictor
    • Why being bold is not the same as being fearless
    • Why social support is the number one buffer across any mental health issue
    • How aligning your daily actions with your values can help you deal with anxiety 
    • How to identify your values by looking at pain
    • And what Luana means by “being the water not the rock”  



    Full Shownotes: https://www.tenpercent.com/podcast-episode/dr-luana-marques-604

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    How To Handle Dread | Saleem Reshamwala

    How To Handle Dread | Saleem Reshamwala

    Today we explore the entire dread spectrum with Saleem Reshamwala, who took a deep dive on this very common, very uncomfortable emotion. What is dread, exactly? What evolutionary purpose does it serve? Most importantly, how do we deal with it? What are the antidotes?


    Reshamwala has worked for The New York Times, PBS, and also TED, where he hosts a podcast called Far Flung. He is also the host of More Than A Feeling, another podcast here at Ten Percent Happier. Saleem and his team recently launched something called The Dread Project - we shared their first episode kicking off the series last week. It’s a five-day series that investigates dread. Each day of the challenge, listeners tackle dread in a different way. You can sign up for The Dread Project at dreadproject.com.


    In this episode we talk about:

    • Dread-management techniques, including: journaling, drawing, and welcoming your dread to the party inside your head
    • How to face dread when it comes to climate change 
    • And the biggest dread of all— death



    Full Shownotes: https://www.tenpercent.com/podcast-episode/saleem-reshamwala-527

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    This Scientist Says One Emotion Might Be the Key to Happiness. Can You Guess What It Is? | Dacher Keltner

    This Scientist Says One Emotion Might Be the Key to Happiness. Can You Guess What It Is? | Dacher Keltner

    Our guest today is one of the most prominent happiness researchers in the world, and he has come to the conclusion that living the good life boils down to one thing: finding awe. We’re going to learn what awe does to your body, how it changes your sense of self and your relationship to the world, and why we evolved to feel awe. We’re also going to get eight simple strategies for mainlining awe into our everyday lives. 


    Dacher Keltner is a professor of psychology at the University of California, Berkeley, and the faculty director of UC Berkeley’s Greater Good Science Center. His new book is called, Awe: The New Science of Everyday Wonder and How It Can Transform Your Life.


    In this conversation we talk about:

    • What awe is exactly
    • How awe is different from other primal emotions like fear and appreciation of beauty
    • Why we are awe-starved in our culture right now
    • The connection between awe and morality
    • How to get something called “moral beauty” into our lives as an alternative to the outrage served up by social media
    • The importance of something called “collective effervescence”
    • How to use nature, music, and even death as sources of awe 
    • How to understand epiphanies
    • And how awe has the potential to get us into trouble sometimes



    Full Shownotes: https://www.tenpercent.com/podcast-episode/dacher-keltner-546

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