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    Nickey Skarstad (Airbnb, Etsy, Shopify, Duolingo) on translating vision into goals, operationalizing product quality, second-order decisions, brainstorming, influence, and much more

    enJuly 18, 2022
    What is Nickey Skarstad's role in product management?
    How did Nickey Skarstad ensure product quality at Airbnb?
    What tools does Nickey Skarstad recommend for user research?
    What is second order thinking in product management?
    How does Shopify align teams for long-term strategy?

    Podcast Summary

    • Setting a Product Vision and Maintaining Product Quality: Insights from a Product Management ExpertA strong product vision is essential for setting effective goals and ensuring team alignment. Strong customer understanding also plays a key role in product management and can be achieved through user research tools like Dovetail.

      Nickey Skarstad has worked as a director of product management at several large companies, including Airbnb and Duolingo.She shares insights in this podcast on how to effectively set a product vision that translates into goals, how to ensure that teams are aligned and focused, and how to maintain product quality.Additionally, she emphasizes the importance of strong customer understanding in product management and offers a suite of user research tools from Dovetail to help teams identify themes, patterns, and insights in customer interviews.

    • The Importance of Prioritizing Product Quality and Consumer ExperiencePutting the end consumer experience at the top of priorities and ensuring high product quality is crucial for success in product management, as learned from experiences at Etsy and Airbnb.

      Nickey Skarstad started her career as a product manager at Etsy, where she worked for seven years on the seller side, helping sellers grow their businesses.She later moved to Airbnb and joined the experiences team, where she helped the team figure out how to achieve product-market fit and scale the product.She learned a lot from both experiences, but one of the key takeaways was that product quality and the end consumer experience should always be the top priority.At Airbnb, they never shipped a product unless it was of high quality and all the edge cases had been thought through.

    • Airbnb's Obsession with Customer ExperienceAirbnb prioritizes the quality of customer experience over growth metrics by setting a top-line goal of a high review rate. They coach and educate hosts, test the product themselves, and motivate teams to improve the product.

      Airbnb's success is attributed to its obsession with the end consumer experience.For example, in the early days of its experiences product, Airbnb used a review rate as its top-line goal, ensuring that every person who booked actually had a good experience.By balancing or conflate quality metrics with growth metrics, the company's north star was the quality of the customer's experience.The team operationalized this goal by coaching and educating hosts and discussing this goal in all meetings.To ensure quality, they also dogfooded and tested the product themselves.Making autonomous teams and pushing them to use the product firsthand are other ways to motivate teams to improve the product.

    • Balancing Growth with Quality: Metrics for Marketplace SuccessTo maintain success in a marketplace, companies must prioritize product quality by using metrics like five-star experiences and first sale within a certain time frame. Balancing growth with ensuring quality experiences is crucial for long-term success.

      Product quality is crucial for maintaining long-term success in a marketplace.Metrics like percentage of five-star experiences and first sale within a certain time frame can help companies understand and improve product quality.For example, at Etsy, they realized that opening up more shops did not necessarily mean successful sellers, and instead focused on getting new sellers to make their first sale within seven days.Similarly, at Airbnb, they counted new supply growth as new listings with at least one booking.Balancing growth with ensuring quality experiences is the key to success in a marketplace.

    • Finding Your Fit: Advice from a Product ManagerPrioritize what gives you energy in a job search. Use the red, yellow, green method to determine if a company or job is a fit. Look for jobs that make you feel excited and enjoy.

      Nickey Skarstad, a product manager, shares her experiences of working at different companies, including Shopify and Duolingo.She advises people to prioritize what gives them energy in their job, especially in a post-COVID world.When considering whether a job or company is a fit, Skarstad suggests going through your calendar and changing the colors of meetings to red, yellow, and green.If most of them are red or yellow, it may be an indication that the job isn't the right fit for you.Prioritizing what gives you energy can help you find a job that you enjoy and feel excited about.

    • Understanding Your Passions as a Product PersonProduct management can vary greatly from company to company, so it's important to evaluate what aspects of the job excite you the most. Find your passion and prioritize it when considering future career opportunities.

      To optimize your career as a product person, it's important to understand your own passions and what aspects of the job give you energy.Each company's product organization and day-to-day job as a product manager can be very different, so it's crucial to think through what the work looks like, the process, the end consumer, and what you'll be doing every day.By getting clarity on these factors and figuring out what you love most about the job, it becomes easier to determine where you should go next.Companies like Shopify are great places to work in order to learn how to PM and understand complex systems, but it's important to remember what aspects of the job energize you the most, whether it's zero to one early stage product development or building a community.

    • Functional vs. General Manager Organizational Structures for Product TeamsChoose the organizational structure that fits your product's unique business needs and stage of the company. Consider the right type of people needed for success and ensure the team has the autonomy and resources necessary for effective product development.

      When structuring a product team, there are two main organizational modes: functional and general manager (GM).The functional structure works well for bigger organizations with new or developing product managers who need support and development.The GM structure is ideal for new business opportunities that require autonomy and independent funding.The choice between the two models should depend on the product's unique business needs, stage of the company, and the right type of people needed for success.It is important to think holistically about building the right product development process across different functions and to ensure the team has autonomy and necessary resources.

    • Leveraging Unit's Banking-as-a-Service API for Fast LaunchesEmbedding banking into your product can help you stand out from competitors, while Unit's API enables quick launch of accounts, cards, and payments. Strong leadership is crucial for effective strategy and decision-making, with insights gathered from across the organization.

      Building banking into a product can add differentiation and help acquire, retain, and monetize customers.Unit is the market leader in banking as a service, offering an API to empower companies to launch accounts, cards, payments, and lending in just a few weeks.To ensure effective high-level vision and strategy, it is important to involve the team and leadership to ensure buy-in and access to organizational context.Good product work is often not democratic, but having one clear leader responsible for decision-making is essential.Talking to people across the organization, including the CEO, can also provide valuable insights and ensure resource allocation for success.

    • The Vision Mission Strategy Pyramid: Creating a roadmap for your business goals.Start with a long-term vision and break it down into specific short-term goals. Involve your team in brainstorming, collaborate remotely with online tools like Miro and FigJam to create a clear plan.

      The vision mission strategy pyramid is a framework for creating a plan for your business or organization.It starts with the long-term vision and works down to specific objectives that need to be achieved in the short term.This pyramid helps you think about your goals from the top down and get clearer as you go down.It is essential to involve your team in visioning exercises and brainstorming sessions to get a cross-functional perspective.You can use online tools like Miro or FigJam to collaborate remotely and create a clear plan that everyone can refer to.By following this framework, you can create a roadmap to achieve your vision and objectives.

    • Strategic Planning with OKRs and Leadership ReviewIn brainstorming, focus on grouping ideas into similar concepts. Good OKRs help set quarterly goals for long-term plans. Leadership review ensures alignment with company goals.

      When brainstorming, it's important to focus on synthesizing ideas and grouping them into similar concepts.Building a clear vision isn't necessary during brainstorming sessions, as it's more important to come up with ideas and get feedback before finalizing anything.Good OKRs (Objectives and Key Results) help teams to articulate their strategies and connect them to specific features that need to be built.It's important to set quarterly OKRs that can add the most impact to the long term plan, and there should be a leadership review to ensure everything is aligned with the company's goals.

    • The Importance of Goal Frameworks, Empathetic Product Management, and Standards for BusinessA shared goal framework helps businesses of all sizes. One-way vs. two-way door decision making can aid in critical long-term decisions, while standards for good experiences improve business. Empathetic product management ensures a successful strategy.

      Having some sort of goal framework that is shared across functions is useful for every business, no matter the size or scale.Although OKRs might not be the best for every team, having a process to bring your strategy down into smaller actionable steps can help you achieve your goals.A good product manager (PM) is empathetic and makes sure they're hearing why their team maybe doesn't like their strategy or think that's a bad OKR.Using the concept of one-way versus two-way door decision making can also help teams make critical long-term decisions.Finally, creating standards for what a good experience is can help form and improve your business.

    • Consider the impact of reversibility when making decisions for a product or marketplace. Use second-order thinking and avoid causing problems for users to ensure success.When making decisions, consider whether they can easily be reversed or modified. Think beyond the immediate impact and learn from experience and resources to avoid causing problems for users and ensure success.

      When making decisions for a product or marketplace, it's important to consider whether it's a "one way door" or a "two way door" decision.A one way door decision is difficult to change later and will have a big impact on the entire system, while a two way door decision can be reversed or modified more easily.To make better decisions, it's important to practice second order thinking, which involves considering the potential consequences of a decision beyond the immediate impact.This can be learned through experience and by reading resources such as the book Thinking in Systems.Ultimately, making careful decisions is important to avoid causing problems for users and ensuring the success of the product.

    • The Importance of Second Order Thinking for Product TeamsSecond order thinking helps product teams save time and money by building a clear vision and strategy for the long term. By considering the impacts of decisions beyond the immediate ones, teams can avoid distractions and stay focused on the strategic plan.

      Second order thinking is an important exercise for product teams to save time and money.It helps to build a clear vision and strategy for the long term.Team members should focus on the impacts of their decisions beyond the immediate ones.Shopify, for example, uses first principles to align teams early on and avoid heartache later.Forcing team members to think in terms of second order effects can be operationalized by including it in spec-ed templates or having thoughtful discussions around it.Product requirements documents are a good place to write out first principles, which can be debated before diving into the work of building.Finally, staying on plan with the strategy requires avoiding distractions and shiny objects.

    • The Importance of Quick Feedback Loops in Product ManagementUse tools like Loom and regular team meetings to keep everyone on the same page and excited about the product vision. Have a central moment for product reviews to gather feedback from different areas and move forward with the right ideas.

      As a product manager, it's important to keep the feedback loop quick and tight with your team in order to keep everyone excited and bought into the vision and strategy.One way to do this is by using tools like Loom to provide updates on feedback and changes in a timely manner.It's also important to have regular team meetings to constantly check in on goals and ensure everyone is on the same page.When it comes to product reviews, it's crucial to have a central moment where feedback from different areas is shared with the whole team, rather than in a vacuum.This helps ensure a strategic check-in process to move forward with the right ideas.

    • Efficient cross-functional meetings for successful product launches.Having clear pre-reads and three check-in moments (first principles, approach, ready-to-ship) are crucial for aligning goals and feedback in cross-functional meetings. Remote product management requires intentional communication and trust-building.

      Nickey Skarstad, a product leader, advises having cross-functional meetings with clear pre-reads to align on meeting goals, whether it's to give feedback or to approve a product for launch.In a perfect world, there should be three check-in moments: the first principles check-in, the approach check-in, and the ready-to-ship check-in.While smaller teams may not require formal meetings, larger organizations benefit from having a clear process for scheduling and attending these cross-functional meetings.Additionally, Nickey shares insights on remote product management, such as being more intentional about communication and building trust with the team.

    • Adapting to the New Normal: Project Management in a Remote EnvironmentCommunication is key in a remote work environment. Project managers should utilize new tools and technologies to facilitate effective collaboration and ensure clear communication with team members.

      The COVID-19 pandemic has dramatically changed the way people work, especially for project managers.With the loss of in-person meetings and communication, new tools and technologies have emerged such as Slack, Miro, and FigJam, which allow for asynchronous communication and virtual whiteboarding.It's crucial for teams to adjust and find new ways of working together effectively in a remote environment.It's important to be strategic and considerate when communicating with team members and not rely solely on Zoom meetings.As a project manager, learning to adapt to new technology and communicate clearly is essential for success in the new remote work environment.

    • The essential role of consumerism in building the right product and messagingTo succeed as a product manager, it’s important to be a consumer and follow people who are in tune with the culture. Understanding the zeitgeist and sharing stories through platforms like TikTok can help build the right product.

      To be a successful product manager, it's important to be a consumer and try out new products.Following people who are plugged into the cultural zeitgeist, not just tech people, also helps in building the right product and acing product marketing and messaging.Nickey Skarstad recommends following Anne Helen Petersen, who is well-connected to the larger cultural zeitgeist.Being able to understand the moment in which a product is being shipped is key to building the right thing.Skarstad also encourages sharing stories about building products through platforms like TikTok and newsletters.

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    • Why teens are such a great audience

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    • His experience working as a PM at Facebook

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    Where to find Nikita Bier:

    • X: https://x.com/nikitabier 

    • Threads: https://www.threads.net/@nikitabier

    • Website: https://intro.co/NikitaBier

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    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Nikita’s background 

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    (20:00) TBH’s viral success

    (32:18) Leveraging live chat

    (34:08) Lasting lessons from TBH

    (37:00) Selling TBH to Facebook

    (42:19) Big-tech product management

    (48:46) Nikita on why “product management is not real”

    (51:49) The Tim Cook painting story

    (53:53) Leaving Facebook and starting a new venture

    (58:02) Rebuilding TBH and overcoming challenges

    (59:46) Addressing criticism

    (01:04:24) The human trafficking hoax

    (01:09:51) Selling to Discord and lessons learned

    (01:11:36) Lasting lessons from Gas

    (01:13:14) Building durable consumer apps

    (01:22:35) The VC route

    (01:23:27) Contact permissions in iOS 18

    (01:26:53) The success of Dupe

    (01:31:53) Advice for startup founders

    (01:34:14) Work with Nikita

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    Deb Liu is the CEO of Ancestry and former longtime VP of Product at Facebook. At Facebook, Deb led the creation of Facebook Marketplace, developed the first mobile ad product for apps, built the company’s games business, and launched Facebook Pay. She’s also held leadership roles at PayPal and eBay, serves on the board of Intuit, and is the author of Take Back Your Power. In our conversation, we discuss:

    • Why you should PM your career like you PM your product

    • Strategies for incubating new products within large companies

    • Creating a successful 30-60-90-day plan when starting a new job

    • The pitfalls of perfectionism

    • The challenges introverts face in the workplace and how to overcome them

    • The value of resilience and turning failures into stepping stones

    • How to leverage coaching in your career development

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    Where to find Deb Liu:

    • Threads: https://www.threads.net/@debliu

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/deborahliu

    • Substack: https://debliu.substack.com/

    Where to find Lenny:

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    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

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    (02:18) Deb’s career journey and key advice

    (09:45) Navigating new roles and challenges

    (11:27) Overcoming adversity and failure

    (15:07) Building billion-dollar businesses at Facebook

    (19:33) Strategies for zero-to-one innovation

    (23:40) PM your career like a product

    (33:53) Challenges and strategies for introverts in business

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    (42:25) The power of accountability

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    (01:04:47) Lightning round

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    • The importance of writing skills, and how to become a better writer

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    • Kevin’s “unsell email” technique for hiring

    • The value of keeping a decision log

    • Insights on AI and its impact on future generations

    • Lessons from failure

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    Where to find Kevin Yien:

    • X: https://x.com/kevinyien

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinyien/

    • Website: https://kevinyien.com/

    Where to find Lenny:

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    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Kevin’s background 

    (02:00) The story behind Kevin’s profile picture

    (08:41) The role of a product manager

    (10:48) Getting started in product management

    (12:47) The importance of writing skills

    (15:06) Becoming a better writer

    (19:10) The PM’s role with engineering and design

    (28:41) Drawing the perimeter for your team

    (31:37) Feedback tips

    (35:13) Decision logs and product sense

    (45:36) Unorthodox hiring strategies

    (47:01) The unsell email strategy

    (54:01) Automating user research

    (01:02:27) AI in everyday life

    (01:06:05) Lessons from failure

    (01:14:34) Lightning round

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    Improve strategy, influence, and decision-making by understanding your brain | Evan LaPointe (founder of CORE Sciences)

    Improve strategy, influence, and decision-making by understanding your brain | Evan LaPointe (founder of CORE Sciences)

    Evan LaPointe is the founder of CORE Sciences, which teaches companies and individuals how our brains work and how that translates to improved collaboration, better products, faster decision-making, and more growth. Previously, Evan was the co-founder of Satellite, the fourth-largest analytics company on the internet today (it mostly runs behind the scenes, and pretty much everyone listening will have used it today without knowing it), which was acquired by Adobe, where he later ran product strategy, innovation, and long-range thinking for Adobe’s digital experiences business. In our conversation, we discuss:

    • The three different systems of the brain

    • How knowing this can help you become more influential

    • How understanding different brain states will help you increase productivity and creativity

    • How to improve your vision and strategy skills

    • How to design a work environment that fosters innovation

    • How to build better relationships at work

    • Much more

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    Find the transcript and references at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/understanding-your-brain-evan-lapointe

    Where to find Evan LaPointe:

    • X: https://x.com/evanlapointe

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/evanlapointe/

    • Website: https://www.core-sciences.com/

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    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Evan’s background

    (02:37) Understanding the brain’s complex systems

    (07:17) The three core brain systems: safety, reward, and purpose

    (11:03) Applying brain science to team dynamics

    (14:27) The role of personality in team performance

    (17:27) Creating effective work environments

    (23:16) The science of meetings and decision-making

    (29:35) Enhancing strategy and vision

    (54:46) Understanding personality traits in strategy and vision

    (58:58) Tactical tips for increasing openness

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    (01:21:17) The importance of trust and appeal in relationships

    (01:36:47) Creating a positive organizational habitat

    (01:50:35) Enhancing focus and productivity

    (02:00:58) Practical tips for deep work and gamma time

    (02:07:11) Lightning round

    Referenced:

    • The Most Complicated Object in the Universe: https://today.uconn.edu/2018/03/complicated-object-universe/#

    • The Myers-Briggs personality test: https://www.themyersbriggs.com/en-US/Products-and-Services/Myers-Briggs

    • The Big Five personality test: https://www.thepersonalitylab.org/

    • The Enneagram personality test: https://enneagramtest.com/

    • An inside look at how Figma builds product | Yuhki Yamashita (CPO of Figma): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/an-inside-look-at-how-figma-builds

    • Vision, conviction, and hype: How to build 0 to 1 inside a company | Mihika Kapoor (Product at Figma): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/vision-conviction-hype-mihika-kapoor

    • Dylan Field live at Config: Intuition, simplicity, and the future of design: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/dylan-field-live-at-config

    • An inside look at Figma’s unique GTM motion | Claire Butler (first GTM hire): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/an-inside-look-at-figmas-unique-bottom

    • Inside Canva: Coaches not managers, giving away your Legos, and running profitably | Cameron Adams (co-founder and CPO): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/inside-canva-with-cameron-adams

    • The Science-Business Mismatch That Puts Your Change at Risk: https://changemanagementreview.com/the-science-business-mismatch-that-puts-your-change-at-risk/

    • Daniel Pink on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielpink/

    • Trello: https://trello.com/

    • Cron: https://cronhq.notion.site/

    • The Double Diamond framework for design thinking: https://www.fluxspace.io/resources/the-4-ds-double-diamond-design-thinking-model

    • CORE Sciences - Tips on Priming Great Meetings PDF: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/gm21cj0vi0bjosyu8kd69/CORE-Sciences-Tips-on-Priming-Great-Meetings.pdf?rlkey=6fznhv7bbsxm8nj8m4luej17t&st=2eduirad&dl=0

    • How to grow a subscription business | Yuriy Timen (Grammarly, Canva, Airtable): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/transform-your-subscription-growth

    • Brené Brown’s website: https://brenebrown.com/

    • The CORE personality test: https://www.core-sciences.com/new-core-identity

    • Burning Man: https://burningman.org/

    • Stripe: https://stripe.com/

    • Jony Ive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jony_Ive

    • Albert Einstein quote: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7133605-make-things-as-simple-as-possible-but-no-simpler

    • Elden Ring: https://en.bandainamcoent.eu/elden-ring/elden-ring

    • Abilene paradox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abilene_paradox

    The Challenger Sale: Taking Control of the Customer Conversation: https://www.amazon.com/Challenger-Sale-Control-Customer-Conversation/dp/1591844355

    • The surprising truth about what closes deals: Insights from 2.5m sales conversations | Matt Dixon (author of The Challenger Sale and The JOLT Effect): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/close-more-deals-matt-dixon

    • Siqi Chan on X: https://x.com/blader

    • Runway: https://runway.com/

    • Shreyas Doshi on pre-mortems, the LNO framework, the three levels of product work, why most execution problems are strategy problems, and ROI vs. opportunity cost thinking: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/episode-3-shreyas-doshi

    • Wolfgang Puck’s website: https://wolfgangpuck.com/

    • Steven Spielberg on X: https://x.com/sspielberg93

    • John Williams’s website: https://www.johnwilliams.org/

    • The paths to power: How to grow your influence and advance your career | Jeffrey Pfeffer (author of 7 Rules of Power, professor at Stanford GSB): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-paths-to-power-jeffrey-pfeffer

    • Warby Parker: https://www.warbyparker.com/

    • Simon Sinek’s website: https://simonsinek.com/

    • What is the function of the various brainwaves?: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-is-the-function-of-t-1997-12-22/

    • CORE Sciences - Your Brain's 9 Modes PDF: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/figg8upeaawir1hnxv0ew/CORE-Sciences-Your-Brain-s-9-Modes.pdf?rlkey=u3zaonxvycvupurq6pwysckfq&st=os06xjnr&dl=0

    Never Split the Difference: Negotiating As If Your Life Depended On It: Unlock Your Persuasion Potential in Professional and Personal Life: https://www.amazon.com/Never-Split-Difference-Negotiating-Depended/dp/0062407805

    The Person and the Situation: Perspectives of Social Psychology: https://www.amazon.com/Person-Situation-Perspectives-Social-Psychology/dp/1905177445

    Cambridge Fundamentals of Neuroscience in Psychology: https://www.amazon.com/Cambridge-Fundamentals-Neuroscience-Psychology/dp/B08QYNDNYX

    • Robert Greene’s books on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/stores/Robert-Greene/author/B001IGV3IS

    Misbehaving: The Making of Behavioral Economics: https://www.amazon.com/Misbehaving-Behavioral-Economics-Richard-Thaler/dp/039335279X

    • Beehiiv: https://www.beehiiv.com/

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    How embracing your emotions will accelerate your career | Joe Hudson (executive coach, Art of Accomplishment)

    How embracing your emotions will accelerate your career | Joe Hudson (executive coach, Art of Accomplishment)

    Joe Hudson is one of the most sought-after executive coaches in Silicon Valley. He is the founder of Art of Accomplishment, a transformational coaching program that has helped tens of thousands of people, including many tech executives and founders from companies like Apple, OpenAI, and Google. His unique method of transformation comes from over 25 years of exploring neurological, psychological, and spiritual traditions, tested against real-world challenges. In our conversation, Joe shares:

    • Why the critical voice in your head is always wrong, and how to change your relationship with that voice

    • Why authenticity trumps self-improvement

    • The importance of embracing all of your emotions

    • How to create more enjoyable and effective meetings

    • The power of gratitude in transforming your life

    • Practical experiments for personal growth

    • Much more

    Apply for Joe’s Connection Course:

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    Find the transcript and references at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/embracing-your-emotions-joe-hudson

    Where to find Joe Hudson:

    • X: https://x.com/FU_joehudson

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-hudson/

    • Website: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/

    • Podcast: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/podcast

    • Linktree: https://linktr.ee/theartofaccomplishment

    Where to find Lenny:

    • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Joe’s background

    (02:31) The critical voice in your head

    (06:39) Changing your relationship with the critical voice

    (13:19) Understanding and embracing emotions

    (19:52) The importance of emotional fluidity

    (24:40) Questioning assumptions and self-perception

    (30:25) The consequences of avoiding emotions

    (36:57) Experimenting with self-improvement

    (39:42) Understanding efficiency and enjoyment

    (43:17) The power of enjoyment in daily tasks

    (45:03) Innate enjoyment vs. learned enjoyment

    (46:31) Authenticity vs. self-improvement

    (50:01) Embracing emotional experiences

    (55:49) How understanding your emotions helps you make better decisions

    (01:02:53) Creating effective teams and meetings

    (01:10:40) Gratitude practice for personal growth

    (01:15:36) Conclusion and final thoughts

    Referenced:

    Descartes’ Error: Emotion, Reason, and the Human Brain: https://www.amazon.com/Descartes-Error-Emotion-Reason-Human/dp/014303622X/

    • Joe’s quote about joy: https://x.com/FU_joehudson/status/1756837774743790030

    • “Emotional Inquiry”: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/podcast/emotional-inquiry

    Inside Out 2: https://movies.disney.com/inside-out-2

    • “Question the Assumption”: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/podcast/question-the-assumption

    • Bodega Bay: https://www.bodegabay.com/

    • Elon Musk reveals the interview question he asks every candidate to instantly spot a liar: https://www.good.is/elon-musk-reveals-the-one-job-interview-question-he-asks-every-candidate-to-instantly-spot-a-liar

    • Great Decisions course: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/course/great-decisions-course

    • HBR Analytic Services: https://hbr.org/hbr-analytic-services

    • Connection Course: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/course/the-connection-course

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