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    Scotland’s First Minister Humza Yousaf: Sunak, Starmer and samosas

    enFebruary 08, 2024

    Podcast Summary

    • Scottish First Minister Hamza Yousuf's Commitment Amidst ChallengesScottish First Minister Hamza Yousuf remains dedicated to his political goals, including potential Scottish independence, despite poll declines and investigations. Productive discussions can occur between individuals with differing political views.

      Despite the challenges faced by Scotland's First Minister, Hamza Yousuf, including a decline in polls and ongoing financial investigations against his party, he remains committed to his political goals, even if that means leaving the UK. During the podcast, Hamza and the hosts discussed their shared experiences and commonalities, despite their differing political views. The hosts also shared a humorous anecdote about a listener who mistook Nish Kumar for Coco Khan, highlighting the popularity and reach of their podcast. Overall, the conversation showcased the potential for productive discussions between individuals with differing perspectives, even in the context of political tensions.

    • The importance of staying grounded and humbleDespite becoming a first minister, one should never forget the importance of staying grounded and humble, as demonstrated by the speaker's experience with her mother and the current situation with King Charles III's health.

      Even as a first minister, one must remain grounded and humble, as demonstrated by the speaker's experience with her mother insisting she do the dishes during a family dinner. The royal family is currently in the news as King Charles III is undergoing cancer treatment, and the country is wishing him a speedy recovery. The speaker, a Republican but admirer of the king's progressive views, expressed her support for him during this difficult time. Another significant event for the speaker was the sudden resignation of her predecessor, Nicola Sturgeon, which led to her taking over as first minister of Scotland. This unexpected turn of events came completely out of the blue and was a shock to many.

    • Unexpected journey to leadershipUnexpected experiences and the right time can lead to leadership roles, bringing great responsibility and privilege.

      Becoming the leader of a country is an immense honor and responsibility, but nothing can fully prepare you for the everyday challenges and stresses that come with the role. For the interviewee, the decision to pursue leadership came unexpectedly and was influenced by his experience in government and the feeling that it was the right time to take a risk. It's important to note that being a leader, whether it's of a country or a football team, brings greater responsibility and is a privilege that not everyone has the opportunity to experience. Additionally, it's fascinating to see the increasing representation of second-generation British Asians in top political positions.

    • Leadership of individuals of color in politics proves multiculturalism's successDespite progress, more work needed to ensure equal representation at senior political levels. Rejecting multiculturalism and divisive rhetoric harms society, focusing on economic growth and immigration benefits everyone.

      The progress of individuals of color in various fields, including politics, is evidence of the success of multiculturalism, despite some conservative politicians' claims to the contrary. Anasawa's leadership in Scottish Labour is a prime example of this. However, there is still a long way to go in ensuring equal representation at senior levels. It's concerning when political figures, like Suella Braverman, reject the benefits of multiculturalism and instead pull up the ladder after reaching the top. Instead of engaging in culture wars and debasing politics, we should focus on substantive issues, such as economic growth and immigration, where the evidence shows that migrants contribute more than they take. The worry is that the Labour Party may also fall into the same trap of following the Tories' divisive rhetoric. The speaker, who has experienced racism and Islamophobia throughout their career, emphasizes the importance of reaching out to help others ascend to the highest levels of political office.

    • Politicians and Public Figures Face Racism and IslamophobiaPoliticians, including those of Muslim faith, experience racism and Islamophobia, affecting their roles and public perception. Nicola Sturgeon, Scotland's First Minister, openly addressed her faith to challenge prejudice and promote normalcy.

      Politics and public figures, including those of Muslim faith, have faced and continue to face racism and Islamophobia, both institutionally and overtly. This issue is not limited to Hollywood or the entertainment industry, but also affects political institutions. During her tenure as First Minister of Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon faced pressure to downplay her faith and identity, but she chose to be open about it to promote normalcy and challenge prejudice. The political climate, fueled by some politicians, has created a divisive environment that could lead to increased racism and Islamophobia for future generations. The ongoing investigation into the Scottish National Party's finances has made Sturgeon's job more challenging, but she remains focused on delivering results for her constituents and maintaining public trust.

    • SNP's Strong Lead in Public TrustSNP maintains public trust through focus on people, policies like frozen taxes, free childcare, tuition-free education, and dedication to protecting public during pandemic

      Despite the challenges the Scottish National Party (SNP) may face due to ongoing investigations, they maintain a strong lead in public trust across various areas, including the NHS and the economy. The SNP's focus on delivering for the people remains crucial, with policies such as frozen taxes, free childcare, and tuition-free education at top universities. The emotional testimony of Nicola Sturgeon during the COVID inquiry underscores her dedication to protecting the public during the pandemic. The well-being of politicians, including Sturgeon, is essential, and the SNP's leaders expressed concern for their colleague's welfare amidst intense scrutiny and personal challenges.

    • Humanitarian crisis in Gaza demands action, lack of response from political leaders is concerningThe interviewee calls for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza, condemns illegitimate actions, and advocates for peace and unity in the region and beyond.

      The situation in Gaza is a humanitarian crisis demanding immediate action, and the lack of international response, including from political leaders, is deeply concerning. The personal experience of the interviewee, who was unable to help his in-laws trapped in Gaza during the conflict, highlights the need for more diverse voices in politics advocating for peace. The UK government, as a trusted ally of Israel, should use its influence to stop the violence and promote a secure and peaceful Middle East. The potential success of peace talks in Northern Ireland could pave the way for revisiting the issue of Scottish independence from Westminster. The interviewee will continue to call for an immediate ceasefire and condemn illegitimate actions, while advocating for the release of hostages and promoting unity and peace in the region and beyond.

    • Potential impact of power sharing in Northern Ireland on Irish unification and Scottish independenceThe Scottish government will focus on Scottish independence while addressing domestic challenges, such as the cost of living crisis and funding for public services. The cost of living crisis is largely due to Westminster's policies and economic decisions, and Scotland's approach to public services has led to better performance compared to the rest of the UK.

      The return of power sharing in Northern Ireland and the election of Sinn Fein's Michelle O'Neill as first minister could potentially influence discussions about Irish unification and Scottish independence. However, these are matters for the people of Northern Ireland and Scotland, respectively, and the Scottish government will focus on advancing the cause of Scottish independence while addressing domestic challenges such as the cost of living crisis and funding for public services. The cost of living crisis, which is a major concern, is largely due to Westminster's policies and economic decisions, including austerity and Brexit. Scotland's approach to public services, such as the NHS, is an example of valuing and investing in workers, which has led to better performance compared to the rest of the UK. Despite facing challenges, the Scottish government believes in making tough choices to invest in public services and improve the economy and society for its people.

    • SNP's Perspective on Scotland's Potential IndependenceThe SNP sees opportunities in Scotland's potential independence, emphasizing Scottish values and access to the European Single Market, while addressing administrative challenges and effectively communicating benefits.

      The SNP sees both challenges and opportunities in Scotland's potential independence from the UK. While Brexit has galvanized support for independence and changed the terms of UK membership, administrative issues have made some cautious. The SNP believes they haven't effectively communicated the benefits of independence and emphasizes decision-making based on Scottish values. Honesty is key, but there's also significant potential, as seen in countries like Ireland, Norway, and Denmark. The main difference is Scotland's access to the European Single Market, which is 7 times the size of the UK market. The SNP aims to make border checks as light touch as possible while continuing to trade with the UK.

    • SNP: Send Scottish voices to WestminsterSNP emphasizes importance of Scottish representation at Westminster, aims to make Scotland 'Tory free', and works to become the winning party in Scotland while cooperating on climate change with the Scottish Greens, but has yet to receive a response from Labour leader Keir Starmer.

      The SNP, while cooperating with the Scottish Greens and taking significant action on climate change, emphasizes the importance of sending Scottish voices to Westminster by voting for the SNP. The SNP aims to make Scotland "Tory free" and ensure that Scotland is not ignored, even in Conservative-held seats. Regarding the Labour Party, the SNP acknowledges them as their biggest challenge in Scotland and is working hard to become the party that wins general elections. Despite inviting Keir Starmer for discussions, the SNP has not received a response, leaving them disappointed.

    • Leaders' Reluctance to Engage: Starmer and Sunak's Strained RelationshipDespite significant political differences, Starmer and Sunak's lack of meaningful communication and engagement could negatively impact the UK's political landscape, with potential consequences regardless of Scotland's independence status.

      Both Keir Starmer and Rishi Sunak, the leaders of the Labour and Conservative parties in the UK, have failed to establish meaningful relationships and have shown reluctance to engage in productive conversations, despite their significant political differences. Starmer's inability to demonstrate leadership and bold policies, particularly in relation to lifting the 2 child limit and the Green Prosperity Fund, has been criticized. Sunak, on the other hand, has shown a desire to keep conversations brief and avoid engaging in depth on contentious issues. The lack of personal connection and communication between the two leaders could have negative consequences for the political landscape, regardless of Scotland's independence status. A more amicable and collaborative approach could lead to better outcomes for all parties involved.

    • The power of effective communication and empathyEffective communication and empathy can lead to understanding and connection, even in difficult situations. Persistence and adaptability are important in achieving goals and building relationships.

      Effective communication and empathy, even in difficult situations, can lead to understanding and connection. The speaker shared an experience where he felt disconnected from political figures during a crisis, but was eventually able to establish a dialogue with the foreign secretary after being proactive and persistent. Additionally, the speaker reflected on his past career experiences outside of politics, including physically demanding jobs and his early interest in law. The conversation also touched on the importance of parental support and encouragement in pursuing one's goals. Overall, the discussion emphasized the importance of perseverance, adaptability, and the power of communication in personal and professional contexts.

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    Rochdale row tests Starmer’s leadership, plus the woman who helped take down Weinstein

    Rochdale row tests Starmer’s leadership, plus the woman who helped take down Weinstein

    A week that was supposed to bring more woe for Rishi Sunak has turned into arguably the biggest test of Keir Starmer’s leadership. Labour has had to suspend two of its parliamentary candidates for making comments about Israel. For Starmer, who’s staked his reputation on ridding Labour of anti-semitism, it’s been hugely embarrassing. Nish and Coco reflect on the farcical situation in Rochdale, where Azhar Ali will appear as a Labour candidate on the by-election ballot in a couple of weeks, despite the party having removed its support for him. 

    With the Horizon Post Office scandal having put the use of non-disclosure agreements back in the spotlight, we hear from a woman who has made it her mission to stop NDAs being used to silence victims. Zelda Perkins, a former assistant to Harvey Weinstein, tells Nish and Coco about the traumatic experience of signing her NDA, which she likens to “legal waterboarding”, and why she chose to break it to help expose the film producer’s crimes. On an optimistic note, she reveals how politicians from across the political divide are helping her to achieve change.

    Wrexham FC owners Ryan Renolds and Rob McElhenney feature in heroes and villains, as do three councillors from Warwickshire County Council. Plus find out why Nish has ditched Coco on Valentine’s Day, and why they want your Jason Statham inspired film art. 

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    Guest:

    Zelda Perkins, co-founder of Can’t Buy My Silence

     

    Audio credits:

    Sky News

    parliamentlive.tv

    ‘She Said’, Annapurna Pictures, Plan B Entertainment and Universal Pictures

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    Sparkles with Starmer plus Rob Delaney, NHS champion

    Sparkles with Starmer plus Rob Delaney, NHS champion

    Despite being an American, who can’t even vote in this country, Rob Delaney has become an outspoken champion of the NHS. His love for our health service was born from tragedy: losing his young son Henry to cancer. He tells Nish and Coco why we have to fight for the NHS, and compares it to an American system which enriches CEOs and advertising execs. Find out why he thinks Joe Biden is the best president of his lifetime, and what he thinks of Keir Starmer. Plus with a cameo in the new Mission Impossible film, Rob is perfectly placed to answer Nish’s question: what does Tom Cruise smell like?

    Party Conference season continues, with insights into two very different gatherings: Labour in Liverpool and the Greens in Brighton. Coco describes what she got up to when she went down to the seaside at the invitation of Greens co-leader Carla Denyer - did they manage to woo her to their cause? Plus George Parker of the Financial Times, gives us all the gossip from the Labour get-together - was all that glitters gold? Did Keir Starmer convince as a Prime Minister in waiting?

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    Guests:

    Rob Delaney, comedian, actor and author of ‘A Heart That Works’

    George Parker, political editor of The Financial Times

     

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    Audio credits:

    Royal College of Nursing 

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    A year of Sunak, and why housing is eating our economy

    A year of Sunak, and why housing is eating our economy

    As the Israel Gaza crisis continues, pressure grows on both Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer to back calls for a ceasefire. Sacha Deshmukh, Chief Executive of Amnesty International UK, explains why he supports it and what else needs to happen for it to be meaningful. He also has advice for how you can help, either through safe protest, or through donation. Nish and Coco also ‘celebrate’ Rishi Sunak’s year at Number 10, revealing their highs and lows of 12 months of Sunak.

    Is the Government’s promise to end ‘no-fault’ evictions being kicked into the long grass? Nish and Coco try and work out the political manoeuvring, with the help of Toby Lloyd, who was the Downing Street housing adviser who persuaded Theresa May to promote the policy when she was Prime Minister. He also reveals what it was like to work inside the cramped rooms of Number 10…where there’s every chance that your meeting might be disturbed by the Chancellor’s wife coming home with the food shop!

    Plus find out why Coco has been having a “fat bear week”. This week Nish and Coco’s great nominations for hero and villain of the week can be found on our social media platforms…find out by why bankers are winding up Nish, and why Coco’s fallen in love with a sheepdog.

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    Guests:

    Sacha Deshmukh, Chief Executive of Amnesty International UK

    Toby Lloyd, Housing policy expert

     

    Audio credits:

    The Guardian

    10 Downing Street

    Parliamentlive.tv

    Sunak in Israel, by-elections and back to Bibby

    Sunak in Israel, by-elections and back to Bibby

    The crisis in Israel and Gaza presents a huge challenge for our politicians, both internationally and at home. With protests on the streets and spikes in religious hate crimes, every word uttered by our leaders is diplomatically loaded. Nish and Coco discuss the difficulties of Labour’s position, and then return to record a fresh section at the start of this podcast in reaction to Rishi Sunak’s surprise overnight visit to Israel.

    Pia Sinha of the Prison Reform Trust helps us understand why our prisons are full to bursting, and whether emergency action from the Justice Secretary will solve the problem. With asylum seekers being returned to the Bibby Stockholm accommodation barge, Anoosh Chakelian of The New Statesman, tells us about meeting some of those men. Plus she also gives us the lowdown on two very intriguing by-elections this week.

    Heroes and Villains returns, which is more bad news for disgraced former Tory MP Peter Bone. Plus find out why Coco and her cat could be heading for a divorce.

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    Guests:

    Pia Sinha, Director of The Prison Reform Trust

    Anoosh Chakelian, Britain Editor of The New Statesman

     

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    Sky News

    @TheArchbishopofCanterbury