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    Side Effects of Black Girls are Magic (with Lilly Workneh and CaShawn Thompson)

    enNovember 10, 2021

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    • Building genuine connections leads to meaningful opportunitiesBeing kind and maintaining relationships can lead to collaborations and celebrating representation in important projects

      Kindness and building genuine connections can lead to meaningful opportunities and experiences throughout one's life. This was exemplified in the story of how the host met Lily Workman years ago and was able to collaborate with her on a new book, "Goodnight Stories for Rebel Girls, 100 Real Life Tales of Black Girl Magic," along with Kishan Thompson, the creator of the Black Girl Magic Movement. The importance of being kind and maintaining those relationships, even when circumstances change, was emphasized. Additionally, the long-awaited addition to the Rebel Girls series, "Goodnight Stories for Rebel Girls," highlights the significance of representation and celebrating the achievements of Black women throughout history.

    • Discovering Opportunities and Pursuing PassionBeing dedicated and open to new experiences can lead to meaningful and impactful work. Don't shy away from opportunities that align with your values and goals.

      Perseverance and being open to opportunities can lead to meaningful and impactful work. The speaker, an immigrant and editor, shares her experience of discovering and becoming involved with the "Black Girl Magic" book project. She had long been dedicated to promoting the black experience through digital journalism but had also harbored a desire to work on a children's book. When she was approached to consult on the project, she saw the opportunity as a way to expand her editorial work and was drawn to the authenticity of the project, with the creator of the Black Girl Magic movement involved. Through her determination and openness to new experiences, she was able to make a significant contribution to a project that aligned with her values and goals.

    • Creating 'Rebel Girls: Black Girls in Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics'Authors collaborated to create 100 stories about real black women in STEM, using fairy tale format and addressing sensitive topics while maintaining age-appropriateness.

      The creation of the "Rebel Girls: Black Girls in Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics" book was a collaborative process involving various authors, including Christina Woodie Train and Mhmm, who were approached with unique invitations to join the project. The process of selecting authors and creating the stories required extensive research and adaptation of historical and anthropological texts into digestible and relatable formats for children. The authors aimed to tell authentic stories of real women, addressing sensitive topics like racism, sexism, and discrimination, while maintaining an age-appropriate tone. The fairy tale format was used as a starting point but was flipped on its head to make the stories more real and relatable, focusing on the women's childhood experiences and the challenges they faced. The project resulted in a collection of 100 stories, featuring the work of four authors, and aimed to inspire and educate young readers about the achievements and contributions of black women in STEM fields.

    • Embracing the everyday magic of Black womenBlack Girl Magic celebrates the unique experiences and strengths of Black women, found in simple acts and everyday life.

      Black Girl Magic encompasses the strength, resilience, and magic found in the everyday experiences and stories of Black women, from historical figures like Queen Nzinga to modern-day inspirations like Warsan Shire and Jessamine Stanley. It's not limited to high-profile celebrities or wealth, but rather rooted in the everyday magic found in Black women's lives. This magic can be seen in the simple acts of braiding hair, cooking, and storytelling, and it's a concept that was born out of the author's childhood experiences growing up surrounded by strong Black women. Black Girl Magic is about embracing and celebrating the unique experiences and strengths of Black women, regardless of their accomplishments or status.

    • Black girls' identity transformed into a commodityBlack girl magic is a nontransferable state of being, not a product to be acquired or possessed.

      The removal of the verb from the phrase "black girls are magic" transformed it from a state of being into a commodifiable thing. The speaker, who grew up in DC's historically black neighborhoods and experienced a strong sense of black identity, started the hashtag as a response to negative comments about black women. However, when the verb "are" was removed, the phrase became a product that could be possessed or acquired, rather than an inherent quality. The speaker emphasizes that black girl magic is a nontransferable state of being, and not something that can be given or taken away. The conversation also touched on the challenges of race, ethnicity, and nationality, and how they can limit opportunities for some individuals. Overall, the discussion highlights the importance of recognizing and celebrating the unique experiences and identities of individuals, rather than reducing them to commodifiable things.

    • Black girl magic beyond successBlack girl magic is about resilience and existence in full self despite adversity. Media perpetuates elitist perception, broaden understanding through literature and education.

      Black girl magic is not just about achieving success or being a celebrity. It's about the resilience and ability of black women to continue to exist in their full selves despite facing adversity and having their accomplishments diminished or taken away. The speaker shares her own experiences of facing challenges and overcoming them, emphasizing that black girl magic belongs to all black women, regardless of their backgrounds or experiences. She also critiques the media's role in perpetuating the elitist perception of black girl magic and encourages readers to broaden their understanding of what it means through literature and education.

    • Celebrating the Diverse Experiences of Black WomenThe '100 Stories of Black Girls' Magic' project highlights and empowers young Black girls by showcasing real-life stories and achievements of Black women throughout history, featuring all-Black women authors and artists, and counteracting societal narratives of Black women as caregivers.

      The "100 Stories of Black Girls' Magic" project is an intentional effort to celebrate and highlight the diverse experiences, achievements, and stories of Black women throughout history. The creators aimed to challenge societal perceptions and misconceptions by showcasing a wide range of stories, from various fields and backgrounds, and featuring all-Black women authors and artists. The project's focus on real-life stories and representation of different features, abilities, and body types aims to empower and inspire young Black girls, and encourage them to see themselves in positive and empowering ways. The creators also wanted to counteract the societal narrative of Black women as caregivers and emphasize the importance of their contributions and achievements in various fields. The project serves as a testament to the richness and diversity of Black women's experiences and the importance of representation and storytelling in shaping perceptions and fostering empowerment.

    • Historical undervaluing and stereotyping of caregiving, particularly for black womenBlack women have been forced into caregiving roles for generations, facing derision and disrespect, but their essential contributions to society should be recognized and valued

      Caregiving, particularly for black women, has historically been undervalued and stereotyped. For generations, black women have been forced into caregiving roles, often without choice, and have faced derision and disrespect as a result. From domestic work to childcare, these women have laid the foundation for the success of many, yet their contributions have not been recognized or valued. It's important to acknowledge and challenge these stereotypes, recognizing that caregiving is a legitimate and essential profession that makes a significant impact on the world. By including stories of women like Mother Clara Hale, who dedicated their lives to caring for the most vulnerable, we can help shift the narrative and celebrate the important work of caregivers.

    • Perceived class segregation within DC's Black communityAcknowledge and celebrate Black Girl Magic's global representation, reject exclusionary practices, and embrace the diversity and complexity of the Black community.

      There exists a perceived class segregation within the black community of Washington D.C., where newcomers hold preconceived notions and attempt to stratify social circles. This was discussed in relation to the experiences of native DC residents, who noted a shift in social dynamics due to an influx of people from other places. Another key point raised was the importance of acknowledging the global representation of Black Girl Magic, as opposed to limiting it to a specific Western or American lens. This conversation highlighted the need for inclusivity and the rejection of exclusionary practices based on race, ethnicity, or background. The importance of recognizing and celebrating the diversity and complexity of the Black community was emphasized, with a call to challenge and reject any attempts to limit or define Black Girl Magic narrowly.

    • Value and uplift each otherStrive for inclusivity, consider full stories, and uplift each other instead of trying to cancel or pull down.

      We should strive for inclusivity and empathy towards others, regardless of our own privileges or circumstances. The speaker shares an experience of feeling disrespected by a woman in a new Cadillac, but later reflects that the woman might have had valid reasons for cutting her off. She encourages us to consider the full story before judging others and to remember that we are all linked together in the pursuit of progress and liberation. The speaker also references the movie "Hidden Figures" as an example of how the stories of unsung heroes can inspire and ground us in our shared history. Overall, the message is to value and uplift each other, rather than trying to pull others down or cancel them out.

    • Recognizing our interconnectednessEmpathy, understanding, and unity are crucial for recognizing our interconnectedness and creating a better world, especially for marginalized groups.

      Society functions like a living organism, with individuals and communities making up the cells, and larger systems and nations forming the organs and tissues. The speaker emphasizes the importance of recognizing our interconnectedness, especially for marginalized groups who have historically been portrayed as separate from the dominant culture. Through stories of inspiring black women in her book, she aims to instill a sense of empowerment and possibility in young readers, showing them that they can make a difference in their communities and contribute to the greater whole. The speaker's personal belief in the interconnectedness of all people, regardless of race or background, is a powerful reminder of the importance of empathy, understanding, and unity in creating a better world.

    • The erasure and commodification of Black creators' ideasRecognize and compensate Black creators for their ideas, challenge suppression of truth, and celebrate Black women's stories to inspire future leaders and change-makers.

      The lack of recognition and compensation for Black creators in the face of appropriation and commodification of their ideas is a significant issue. This problem is compounded by the financial and resource barriers that prevent many Black creators from protecting their intellectual property. The importance of centering and celebrating Black women's stories, especially in children's books, is crucial as they shape the future leaders and change-makers. It's essential to acknowledge and challenge the suppression of truth and the erasure of Black women's histories in our society. By highlighting the achievements and experiences of Black women throughout history, we can inspire and empower the next generation and challenge harmful stereotypes. The collaboration between creators like Kishana and the speaker is an example of the power of partnership and support in overcoming these challenges.

    • The Power of Representation in Education for Young Black GirlsRepresentation matters in education for young Black girls, and books like 'Black Girl Unlimited' fill the gap in stories about their experiences. More anthologies and collections are needed to explore the full stories of Black women, starting with the works of Octavia Butler.

      Education is a powerful tool for liberation and representation, especially for young Black girls. The speaker shares her personal experience of feeling underserved by the literature available to her as a child, leading her to read mature content prematurely. She emphasizes the importance of books like "Black Girl Unlimited" that fill the gap in representation and provide in-depth stories about the experiences of Black women. The speaker also highlights the need for more anthologies and collections that explore the full stories of Black women, rather than just highlighting their accomplishments. She recommends the works of Octavia Butler as a starting point for readers to expand their understanding of the future and the experiences of Black women. Overall, the speaker emphasizes the impact that representation and education can have on young readers and the importance of providing diverse and meaningful literature for them to explore.

    • Exploring diverse voices and histories is essential for a well-rounded education and identity formation.Reading works by authors like Octavia Butler, Toni Morrison, and Audre Lorde, and learning about figures like Ida B. Wells, challenges us to explore new perspectives and reimagine the world. Introduce these stories in schools and homes from an early age to foster a more inclusive and connected society.

      Expanding our knowledge and understanding of diverse voices and histories, particularly those of Black individuals, is crucial for a well-rounded education and identity formation. Books, like the one discussed, play a vital role in making these stories accessible and engaging for people of all ages. From authors like Octavia Butler, Toni Morrison, and Audre Lorde, to figures like Ida B. Wells, there are countless works that challenge us to explore new perspectives and reimagine the world. For many, this discovery comes later in life, often in college or through intentional seeking. However, it's essential that these stories are introduced and emphasized in schools and homes from an early age. By doing so, we can help bridge the gaps in our understanding of history and culture, ultimately fostering a more inclusive and connected society.

    • Preserving Black American Culture Through CommunitySupport black-owned businesses and institutions, empower educators and leaders to carry on the legacy, and acknowledge the importance of community in shaping the future.

      It is crucial for communities to pass down their history and culture to the next generation. The speaker shares her personal experience of learning about Black American culture through storytelling and education in her community. However, she acknowledges that not everyone had the same experience and that it's essential to support black-owned businesses and institutions to ensure the continuation of this storytelling. The speaker also emphasizes the importance of empowering educators and leaders to carry on this legacy, as it may not always be a priority for those in positions of power. The speaker's personal experiences highlight the importance of community and the role it plays in shaping the future.

    • A supportive company culture led by an inclusive CEOEmpowering underrepresented voices and creating a positive work environment can be achieved through authenticity, inclusivity, and empathy. Hiring diverse teams, partnering with underrepresented businesses, and providing unwavering support during challenges are intentional actions that make a difference.

      A supportive and inclusive company culture, led by a CEO who recognizes and empowers underrepresented voices, can make all the difference in creating a positive and productive work environment. The example of Rebel Girl, a company that prioritized authenticity, equity, and celebrating Black women, shows how privilege and access can be used to uplift marginalized voices and create meaningful impact. Even during personal challenges, the company provided unwavering support to its employees, setting a high standard for what a workplace should be. Through intentional actions like hiring diverse teams, partnering with Black-owned businesses, and creating platforms for Black girl talent, Rebel Girl demonstrates the power of authenticity, inclusivity, and empathy in the workplace.

    • Creating inclusive and flexible workspacesAcknowledging and accommodating different trajectories and ways of working leads to the best outcomes and fosters collaboration, especially for underrepresented groups. Empower individuals to excel in their areas of expertise, even if it means stepping outside the assigned task.

      Creating inclusive and flexible workspaces is crucial for recognizing and harnessing the unique strengths and experiences of individuals. Lily's editing example illustrates how acknowledging and accommodating different trajectories and ways of working can lead to the best outcomes and foster a strong sense of sisterhood and collaboration. This approach is particularly important for underrepresented groups like black women, who often face the challenge of fitting into rigid molds. As a leader, it's essential to make space for people's human experiences and allow them to excel in their areas of expertise, even if it means stepping outside the assigned task. This inclusive and adaptive mindset not only benefits the team but also empowers and enriches the individuals involved.

    • Celebrating Black Girl MagicRecognizing and celebrating the unique magic within the Black girl community is crucial. Amanda Diva's 'Goodnight Stories for Rebel Girls' is a tangible way to package this concept. Positive company culture and authentic conversations about creating healthy work environments are essential for women.

      The conversation between the speaker and Amanda Diva, the creator of the phrase "Black Girls are Magic," highlighted the importance of recognizing and celebrating the magic within the Black girl community. Amanda shared her journey and the inspiration behind her book "Goodnight Stories for Rebel Girls," which packages this concept in a tangible way. The speaker expressed her admiration for Amanda and her work, emphasizing the significance of this message beyond a hashtag. Additionally, they discussed the importance of positive company culture, particularly for women, and the need for more authentic conversations about creating healthy work environments. The conversation also touched on the importance of recognizing the difference between appreciating individuals and rejecting patriarchy. Overall, the conversation underscored the importance of celebrating Black girl magic and creating supportive spaces for women.

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