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    165: Govern Your Emotions But Know Your Nature. Psychology For The Fighting Man (Pt.2)

    enFebruary 20, 2019

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    • War reveals true nature of individuals under pressureWar brings out negative traits like anger and stress, but also positive ones like understanding and forgiveness. It reveals fears, regrets, ego, and selflessness, and transforms individuals.

      War reveals the true nature of individuals under intense pressure and emotion. It can bring out negative traits like anger and stress, but also positive ones like understanding and forgiveness. Jocko, a former Navy SEAL commander, shares his experiences of observing oscillations in his own attitude and those of his team members during combat deployments. He emphasizes the importance of maintaining composure and control, especially in the face of meaningless stressors and the madness of war. War also reveals fears, regrets, ego, and selflessness, and the impact of death and injury on soldiers is profound. Everyone reacts differently, but the experience of war is a revealing and transformative one.

    • Understanding human needs for effective leadershipAddressing both physical and social needs maintains morale and keeps soldiers determined to fight. Social needs like approval, security, power, adventure, personal response, helping others, successful achievement, and aggression can replace physical incentives when comforts cannot be provided.

      Understanding human nature, including motivations and emotions, is crucial for effective leadership, especially in challenging situations like war. The book "Psychology for the Fighting Man" emphasizes the importance of addressing both physical and social needs to maintain morale and keep soldiers determined to fight. While basic needs like hunger and rest are important, social needs such as approval, security, power, adventure, personal response, helping others, successful achievement, and aggression also play significant roles. When physical comforts cannot be provided, these social incentives can help soldiers continue fighting, revealing the depth of human motivation.

    • Understanding and catering to individual desires and motivationsEffective leaders recognize and acknowledge team members' desires for social approval, personal interest, and task accomplishment through personal interaction and commendation to boost morale, productivity, and overall success.

      Effective leadership lies in understanding and catering to the inherent desires and motivations of individuals within an organization, be it military or civilian. Recognizing and acknowledging these desires through personal interaction and commendation can significantly boost morale, productivity, and overall success. Social approval, personal interest, and the desire to accomplish tasks well are powerful motivators that should not be overlooked by leaders. By providing public recognition and praise, leaders can foster a sense of worth, appreciation, and accomplishment among team members, leading to better performance and a more cohesive group. Conversely, fear of disapproval or punishment can also serve as a motivator, but it is not as effective as positive reinforcement. Ultimately, leaders who respect and understand their team members and provide meaningful recognition will build stronger, more motivated, and more successful organizations.

    • Leadership and morale are interconnectedEffective leaders reveal tasks' significance to boost morale, which fuels productivity. Morale is influenced by physical and mental health, self-confidence, and a sense of importance. Strong leadership and clear purpose are essential for maintaining morale and productivity.

      Effective leadership and morale go hand in hand. A successful leader never assigns tasks blindly but instead reveals their larger purpose to ensure subordinates understand the significance of their roles. Morale, the capacity to stay determined and enthusiastic during hardships, is essential and influenced by physical and mental health, self-confidence, and a sense of importance in the larger undertaking. Work and morale have a reciprocal relationship, as morale fuels productivity and productivity, in turn, boosts morale. Soldiers, for instance, maintain morale through useful work and a sense of purpose during combat or air raids. Standard operating procedures and immediate action drills are crucial in maintaining morale and ensuring that individuals know exactly what to do in times of crisis. In essence, strong leadership and a clear understanding of the larger purpose of tasks are key to maintaining morale and productivity.

    • Staying focused and positive in high-pressure situationsTaking action and maintaining a positive mindset in high-pressure situations can help individuals and teams succeed by improving morale and increasing effectiveness.

      In high-pressure situations, focusing on action and keeping a positive mindset can help overcome fear and improve morale. Whether it's jumping out of an airplane or leading a military unit, taking action and keeping a clear focus on the task at hand can help individuals and teams succeed. Additionally, effective leadership involves keeping morale high by making each team member feel valued, clear about the unit's purpose, and encouraged through recognition and positive reinforcement. Overall, the ability to take action and maintain a positive mindset in the face of fear is crucial for individual and team success.

    • The Value of Each Team MemberRecognize the importance of every role in a military platoon, foster morale, and prioritize physical fitness to ensure mission success and high performance.

      Every member of a military platoon plays a crucial role and can be the most important person in a given situation. The point man, radio man, medic, and machine gunners all have unique responsibilities that can make a significant impact on the outcome of a mission. Additionally, morale and physical fitness are essential for maintaining a high level of performance and readiness. Leaders must ensure their team members are well-rested and cared for, but also understand that there will be times when fatigue and discomfort are unavoidable. In such cases, it's essential to adapt and make strategic decisions to mitigate the risks. Overall, the book emphasizes the importance of recognizing the value of each team member and fostering a spirit of high adventure and zest for life.

    • Fear in War: A Natural ResponseFear is natural in war, but it can make soldiers more alert and efficient. Faith, good leadership, and solidarity with comrades help soldiers endure.

      Soldiers, regardless of their experience level, feel fear before and during battle. The unfamiliarity of encounters with the enemy can be the most terrifying. However, fear can also serve as a preparation for action, making soldiers more alert and efficient. Acclimating to the harsh conditions of war and having faith, good leaders, and solidarity with comrades can help soldiers endure and maintain their spirit. It's essential to remember that fear is a natural response and does not make a soldier weak. Instead, it can be harnessed to improve performance in combat situations.

    • Understanding the body's response to fear and stressRecognizing and understanding the body's natural response to fear and stress can help us harness its power and take action, even in everyday situations. Practicing a plan and training can also reduce fear and uncertainty in unexpected events.

      Our body's natural response to fear and stress, such as adrenaline, can protect us in dangerous situations by enhancing our physical abilities and making it easier to react quickly. This response, which can be triggered by habit and training, can help us overcome fear and take action when we might otherwise be paralyzed. By recognizing and understanding this response, we can learn to harness its power and use it to our advantage, even in everyday situations. Additionally, having a plan and practicing it through training can help us respond effectively to unexpected events and reduce the fear and uncertainty that comes with the unknown.

    • Preparation and training help minimize fear during emergenciesBeing prepared with a plan and trained to respond can help minimize fear and panic during unexpected emergencies. Engaging in physical action and staying informed can also help combat fear.

      Being prepared and trained can help minimize fear and panic during unexpected situations, such as fire drills or actual fires. The sound of a fire alarm or a specific bell can be ingrained in individuals, triggering an automatic response to follow procedures. However, if an actual emergency occurs and there's a delay in recognizing it, or if there's a perceived threat but no actual danger, fear can still be present. To combat fear, taking action, engaging in physical work, and staying in contact with others can help. In combat situations, preparing for action and staying informed of potential dangers can also minimize fear. Overall, being prepared and having a plan in place can help individuals stay calm and respond effectively during unexpected emergencies.

    • Fear is contagious, reactions matterIndividuals should control their reactions to fear to prevent spreading panic and maintain composure

      Fear is contagious, and it's important for individuals to control their reactions to it in order to prevent spreading panic to others. This was highlighted in the discussion about the IED briefings given to visitors in Ramadi, where the speaker noted that reactions of fear and nervousness were common and contagious. The speaker emphasized the importance of acting calm and in control, even if one is feeling afraid. This concept was further illustrated through the analogy of dealing with children's fears and the instinctual response to react with alarm, which can make the situation worse. The speaker also referenced the book "Control of Action" and its emphasis on the importance of controlling one's fear and actions in order to maintain composure and prevent spreading panic to others.

    • Emotional responses: primal instincts or hindrances?Understanding and managing emotional responses, whether they're based on primal instincts or not, can help individuals navigate both everyday challenges and extreme hardships. Coping mechanisms like humor and finding normalcy can be particularly effective in the latter.

      Our emotional responses, even if seemingly irrational, are deeply ingrained and can be triggered in unexpected ways. This was illustrated in the discussion about a wife making a certain noise, which for the speaker and his wife, signaled imminent danger. This response, while not based on rational thought, is a primal instinct that has likely evolved to help us react quickly to threats. However, in less extreme situations, this instinct can be a hindrance, causing unnecessary fear and panic. On the other hand, in truly challenging circumstances, finding ways to relieve tension and maintain a sense of normalcy, even through simple activities, can help individuals endure extreme hardships. Additionally, humor can also serve as a valuable coping mechanism in such situations.

    • Reasons for Fighting Beyond FearMilitary leaders can connect with soldiers by recognizing their diverse motivations for fighting, including ideals, honor, glory, adventure, personal gain, and relief from frustration.

      Men are driven to fight for various reasons, beyond just fear. These reasons include ideals, honor, glory, adventure, personal gain, and even a desire to relieve frustration. Understanding these motivations can help military leaders effectively lead and connect with their soldiers. Additionally, soldiers join the army for various reasons, such as mass suggestion, war hysteria, adventure, personal gain, and a desire to prove themselves or serve their country. Recognizing these reasons can help military leaders better understand and connect with their soldiers.

    • Men's motivations in war: loyalty, effective leadership, or no choiceMen in war are driven by loyalty to their unit, effective leadership, or necessity. When faced with defeat, they can respond by working harder, getting angry, or giving up. The best approach is to learn and adapt, but excessive focus on one problem can lead to unhealthy behaviors.

      Men go to war with certain motivations, but these reasons can change once they reach the frontlines. The primary reasons a man fights are due to loyalty to his comrades in his unit, being led by effective leaders, or having no other choice. When faced with defeat, men can respond by working harder, getting angry, or giving up. The most effective approach is to learn from failure and try new solutions. However, excessive focus on a single problem can lead to unhealthy behaviors such as self-punishment or aggression towards others. Giving up does not always mean surrender, but rather a chance to reassess and try a new approach. It's important to find a balance between persistence and knowing when to move on to a different solution.

    • Understanding the difference between quitting and pivotingBe adaptable and willing to make changes when necessary to avoid negative connotations and continue progress towards goals

      While it may be tempting to hold firm and never compromise or give up, these mindsets can lead to failure and defeat. Instead, it's important to understand that giving up doesn't always mean surrender. It can mean adjusting and pivoting when a plan isn't working, and continuing to work towards long-term strategic goals. The use of language can influence our perception, and words like "quit," "give up," and "pivot" can carry different connotations. While it's important to never quit on our overall mission, it's also necessary to be adaptable and willing to make changes when necessary. In the SEAL teams, this concept is referred to as "never quit, but know when to pivot." By recognizing the difference between quitting and pivoting, we can avoid the negative connotations and continue to make progress towards our goals.

    • Adaptability in the face of challengesRecognize when to pivot, avoid destructive reactions, accept defeat with grace, learn from mistakes, respect limits, harness emotions carefully

      Adaptability is key in the face of challenges or setbacks. Instead of pushing harder when things aren't working, it's important to recognize when to pivot and make adjustments. However, it's also crucial to avoid destructive reactions such as belittling the situation or feigning illness or defects. Accepting defeat with grace and learning from mistakes is a sign of strength and resilience. Additionally, understanding and respecting one's limits is essential for success and survival. Emotions, particularly fear and rage, can serve as powerful motivators, but must be harnessed carefully to avoid destructive outcomes.

    • Understanding the Link Between Emotions and Physiological ReactionsEmotions and logic both have roles, but recognizing conversations in our heads and pushing through uncomfortable situations can lead to mental toughness and long-term success.

      Our physical and emotional responses, such as rage and fear, may seem different, but they trigger similar physiological reactions in the body. These reactions can either save or endanger us depending on the situation. Emotions and logic both have their places – sometimes we need to use our emotions to motivate us, and other times we need to use our logic to make rational decisions. However, it's essential to recognize the conversations going on in our heads and to push through uncomfortable situations to develop skills that will benefit us in the long run. Competition is a part of life, and being able to compete effectively is crucial. Whether it's in a workout or in real life, we must learn to power through discomfort and develop mental toughness to succeed.

    • Finding balance between competition and collaborationCompetition fuels improvement and innovation, while collaboration allows learning and growth. Balance both for success in personal and professional life.

      Life involves both competition and collaboration. While it's important to compete to achieve our goals, it's equally important to collaborate and build relationships with others. Over-reliance on competition can lead to isolation and missed opportunities for growth. Conversely, neglecting competition can hinder progress. The key is to find a balance between the two, recognizing that they often go hand in hand. Competition can fuel innovation and drive us to improve, while collaboration allows us to learn from others and build on each other's strengths. Ultimately, understanding the role of both competition and collaboration in our lives can help us navigate complex relationships and succeed in various aspects of our personal and professional journeys.

    • Understanding the complexities of successSuccess involves fair competition, collaboration, understanding human nature, and controlled emotions. It's about becoming the best version of ourselves and making a positive impact.

      Success in life often involves competition, but it's important to understand the rules and play the game fairly. Collaboration and teamwork can be effective strategies, but ultimately, the goal is to be successful and help others. Anger and emotion can be used to advantage, but they can also lead to defeat. Understanding human nature and psychology can help us navigate these complexities. Military training and discipline can help individuals remain calm and focused in the face of danger. Controlled anger, rather than unchecked rage, can be a powerful motivator. It's important to remember that success is not about defeating others, but about becoming the best version of ourselves and making a positive impact on the world.

    • Harnessing the power of anger and competitionEffective leaders understand the importance of unity and cooperation towards a common goal, and strive to prevent internal strife while encouraging healthy competition to harness the power of anger and channel it towards a common enemy.

      Controlled and channeled anger and competition among individuals and groups can be a powerful force for survival and victory, but it must be balanced and not allow internal strife or dissension to drain off valuable energy and morale. Anger, when shared and directed towards a common enemy, can reinforce each other and create a unified and cohesive group. However, unnecessary competition and prejudices can cause rifts and lead to ineffective squabbles that hinder the overall effort. Effective leaders understand the importance of unity and cooperation towards a common goal and strive to prevent internal strife while encouraging healthy competition. In essence, anger and competition can be harnessed as a positive force when used appropriately.

    • Promoting healthy competition within teamsLeaders should prioritize team goals over personal biases or emotions, and remember that the team's success is a reflection of individual contributions.

      Healthy competition within teams can support the team goal, but it's crucial that it doesn't lead to sabotage. Leaders should make decisions based on what benefits the team and the mission, rather than personal biases or emotions. The mission should always be the top priority, and decisions should be made with that in mind. When faced with difficult decisions, such as firing someone, leaders should consider the impact on the team and the mission, rather than personal feelings or resentments. The team is essential for accomplishing the mission, and a dysfunctional team can hinder progress. Additionally, it's important to remember that material possessions, like cars, are often emotional decisions, but they should not take priority over the team mission. Instead, the team should be seen as a reflection of the individual, and the goal should be to ensure that the team is functioning at its best to accomplish the mission.

    • Mission and openness to feedbackA good leader keeps the mission in mind, makes decisions aligned with it, and is open to feedback from team members to prevent dissension and build pride.

      Effective decision-making and successful leadership involve keeping your long-term mission in mind and being open to feedback from your team. The speaker in this conversation emphasized the importance of providing for and protecting his family as his primary mission. He recognized that material possessions, like expensive vehicles, may not hold their value over time. Instead, he prioritized a practical vehicle for his family's needs. Additionally, the speaker discussed the importance of addressing grievances and feedback from team members. He shared an analogy from military leadership, emphasizing the need for a good leader to listen to and address concerns, even if they cannot provide an immediate solution. He acknowledged that this approach can prevent dissension and build pride within the team. In essence, being a good leader means keeping the mission in mind, making decisions that align with that mission, and being open to feedback and constructive criticism from team members. This approach can lead to better decision-making, improved team morale, and ultimately, success for the organization.

    • Acknowledge team complaints and provide reasonsEffective communication and transparency can prevent unproductive 'bitch sessions'. Acknowledge team complaints and provide reasons to prevent escalation and frustration.

      Effective communication is key to preventing unproductive "bitch sessions" in a team or organizational setting. If a team member expresses a complaint or concern, it's important for a leader to acknowledge the issue and provide a legitimate reason for why it may not be addressed immediately or at all. Failing to do so can escalate the situation and lead to more frustration and unproductive conversations. On the other hand, regular communication and transparency can help prevent complaints from building up over time and becoming unmanageable. It's also important for leaders to be open to feedback and willing to follow up on issues, even if they don't have an immediate solution. The motivation to complain is often rooted in a belief that things should be better, and if team members feel heard and understood, they are less likely to become frustrated and escalate their complaints into unproductive sessions.

    • Communicating Effectively to Prevent ConflictsOpen communication, transparency, and finding solutions together can prevent and resolve conflicts in a team or organization.

      Effective communication and transparency are crucial for addressing dissatisfaction and preventing conflicts in a team or organization. However, it's important to be judicious in sharing information and avoid sharing unnecessary details that could harm the mission. The speaker emphasized the importance of being open and honest, but also acknowledged the need to be careful in how and what we communicate. The use of punishment as a method to handle dissatisfaction or disagreements was criticized as a common practice in autocratic organizations, and instead, the focus should be on finding solutions together. The speaker also acknowledged that sometimes, issues arise due to external factors, but emphasized that leaders should take responsibility for addressing these challenges and finding contingency plans. Overall, the key takeaway is that open communication, transparency, and a focus on finding solutions together can help prevent and resolve conflicts in a team or organization.

    • Identify the problem and find a solution instead of blamingInstead of blaming others for conflict, focus on finding solutions and improving the group as a whole.

      Instead of looking for someone to blame when faced with conflict or aggression in a group, it's more productive to identify the problem and find a solution. An occasional individual in a group may exhibit seemingly contradictory behavior, becoming aggressive when treated kindly and submissive under punishment. Such individuals often have deep-rooted anxieties and resentments from their past. A good leader, on the other hand, encourages constructive criticism and uses it to eliminate causes for resentment and dissension. When criticizing, it's important to stick to specific, factual issues, limit the scope of the criticism, and suggest practical solutions. Blaming others may feel satisfying because it takes the blame off of oneself, but it's a natural reaction that needs to be nourished and raised correctly. It's more beneficial to focus on finding solutions and improving oneself and the group as a whole.

    • Embrace Extreme Ownership for growth and improvementTaking responsibility for problems and outcomes, rather than blaming others, leads to growth and improvement.

      Accepting full responsibility for the problems and outcomes in our teams and lives, a concept known as Extreme Ownership, can be challenging but is crucial for growth and improvement. It's a natural tendency to blame others, but doing so doesn't solve the issue and can hinder progress. Instead, taking ownership of problems and finding solutions is essential for creating a better environment. The concept of Extreme Ownership, as discussed in the book and in this podcast, encourages individuals to take control of their circumstances and not rely on excuses or blame others. It's a challenging mindset to adopt, but it can lead to significant improvements. The idea of dichotomy leadership, which some may misconstrue as doing everything oneself, is not what is intended. Instead, it's about recognizing the importance of individual ownership and accountability while also understanding the value of delegating tasks and collaborating with others.

    • Taking Ownership of Our ExperiencesAcknowledge personal role in experiences, view challenges as opportunities for growth, and maintain balance between collaboration and competition.

      It's important to acknowledge the role we play in our experiences and avoid blaming others or external factors. This discussion highlights the psychological comfort we might find in blaming others, but ultimately, taking ownership of our actions and situations leads to personal growth and success. The speaker emphasizes the importance of preparing for life's challenges and viewing them as opportunities for growth, rather than competitions to be won or lost. The balance between collaboration and competition is crucial in various aspects of life, and recognizing our role in both can lead to better outcomes.

    • Jiu Jitsu: More Than Just a Fighting SportJiu Jitsu offers self-improvement, understanding of life and people, showcases effectiveness against various styles, and provides valuable insights into human nature.

      Jiu jitsu is more than just a physical combat sport. It's a tool for self-improvement and understanding of life and people. The competition aspect is a part of the journey, but collaboration and learning from each other are essential. The Gracie family's creation of UFC in 1993 showcased the effectiveness of jiu jitsu against various fighting styles, revealing its profound impact on both the fighter and the spectator. The benefits extend beyond self-defense, providing valuable insights into human nature, ego, and temper. While the specifics may vary, the transformative power of jiu jitsu is a common thread for many practitioners.

    • The early UFC fights showcased the power of Brazilian Jiu-JitsuBrazilian Jiu-Jitsu's effectiveness in the UFC led to a surge in interest and popularity, with high-quality equipment and supplements supporting its growth

      The early UFC fights showcased the effectiveness of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu as a martial art, with Royce Gracie using it to defeat much larger opponents. Pat Smith, a bare knuckle kickboxing champion, was a notable victim. Gracie's victories proved that Jiu-Jitsu was the ultimate fighting style. This led many people to be interested in learning Jiu-Jitsu during the late 1990s. Today, Jiu-Jitsu is more popular than ever, with various brands like Origin producing high-quality gis and other equipment specifically for it. Supplements like Joint Warfare also play a crucial role in maintaining the health of Jiu-Jitsu practitioners. The early UFC fights serve as a reminder of Jiu-Jitsu's power and influence in the martial arts world.

    • Like a boat in the perfect zone, taking discipline in lifeEmbrace discipline for optimal life performance, consider others' needs, and stay updated with Warrior Kid podcast

      Taking discipline in life is like a boat in the perfect zone, catching just the right amount of water without any drag. This mindset applies to various aspects of life, such as meeting with someone or enjoying a delicious beverage like Warrior Kids strawberry milk. Jocko's store offers various representative items for those on the path, including heavy-duty zip-up hoodies and Jocko white tea. While the benefits of certified organic tea might not seem as significant as deadlifting 8,000 pounds, it's essential to consider the needs and preferences of others. Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast and stay updated on the Warrior Kid podcast.

    • Encouragement to Keep Creating and Supporting Young EntrepreneursKeep creating even when it feels worn out, find support from others, and encourage young entrepreneurs like 13-year-old Aidan.

      The speaker had a conversation with someone who encouraged him to continue creating content, even when it feels worn out or outdated. This person, a "nice girl," didn't mean to be dismissive when she said it was okay for him to make more podcasts, but rather was being supportive. The speaker also highlighted the accomplishments of a young entrepreneur, Aidan, who runs a soap business at the age of 13, emphasizing the importance of supporting young people's endeavors. Additionally, the speaker mentioned the benefits of psychological warfare techniques for getting through challenging moments and encouraged listeners to check out his podcast for more guidance. He also recommended Onnit.com for fitness gear and mentioned a few children's books he's written, including "Mikey and the Dragons." Overall, the conversation emphasized the importance of perseverance, support, and personal growth.

    • Transformative book for self-improvementDiscover answers to common life questions, instill a disciplined mindset, and shift perspective with The Discipline Equals Freedom Field Manual. Jocko Willink's books and consultancy provide valuable insights for personal growth and organizational success.

      The Discipline Equals Freedom Field Manual is a transformative book that provides answers to common life questions and helps instill a disciplined mindset. This book, which covers topics like overcoming procrastination, dealing with fear, and maintaining consistency, has the power to shift one's perspective and set them on the path of self-improvement. The book's impact is not limited to age, as evidenced by a 55-year-old woman who discovered it at a store and transformed her life after reading it. Additionally, Jocko Willink, the author, emphasizes the importance of leadership, as shown in his books "Extreme Ownership" and "Dichotomy of Leadership," and through his leadership consultancy, Echelon Front. Overall, these resources offer valuable insights and tools for personal growth and organizational success.

    • Understanding self and enemy in leadershipEffective leadership requires self-awareness and understanding of strengths/weaknesses. Combat principles can be applied to life, and resources offer guidance. Know yourself and your enemy, defeats are often psychological.

      Effective leadership, whether in combat or business, requires self-awareness and understanding of one's own strengths and weaknesses. Combat leadership principles, as discussed, can be applied to various situations in life, and resources like EF Online and EF Overwatch can help connect those seeking leadership roles with experienced leaders. It's essential to know yourself and your enemy, and remember that defeats, other than death, are often psychological in nature. Stay connected with Echo and Jocko on social media for more insights, and a heartfelt thanks to all first responders and military personnel for their dedication to keeping us safe.

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