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    183 | Michael Dine on Supersymmetry, Anthropics, and the Future of Particle Physics

    enFebruary 07, 2022

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    • Leveraging Existing Platforms for ImprovementUse tools like Indeed.com for hiring, Rocket Money for subscription management, and trust in scientific theories to make progress in their respective fields.

      While we are all driven to seek improvement, sometimes the best solution is to leverage existing platforms that can streamline processes and deliver high-quality results. For instance, when it comes to hiring, Indeed.com is a powerful tool that not only helps you find quality candidates quickly but also delivers the highest quality matches compared to other job sites. Similarly, managing subscriptions can be a challenge, but with the help of a personal finance app like Rocket Money, you can easily identify and cancel unwanted subscriptions, monitor your spending, and lower your bills. In the realm of physics, while there may be a sense of crisis due to the lack of new particle discoveries, the field is still making significant progress by explaining existing data with theories like the standard model of particle physics and general relativity. However, these theories leave room for further questions and the need for more powerful instruments to probe the natural world. Overall, it's essential to stay optimistic, keep asking questions, and be open to new ideas as we continue to explore the unknown.

    • Understanding the fundamental particles and forcesDespite a precise understanding of the strong, weak, and electromagnetic forces, we face challenges and have questions without clear answers, highlighting the need for further exploration in elementary particle physics.

      Elementary particle physics is in a remarkably good state, having made significant strides in understanding the fundamental particles and forces that make up the universe. We have a precise understanding of the strong, weak, and electromagnetic forces, but this also presents a challenge, as we have reached a point where everything works almost too well and we have questions without clear answers. The discovery of the Higgs boson in 2012 was a significant achievement, as it validated theories proposed in the 1960s, but also highlighted the need for further exploration and potential complexities that may lie beneath our current understanding. The field is not without its tensions and unanswered questions, but the progress made so far is a remarkable success story.

    • Understanding different phases of fundamental forcesThe world of particle physics unravels the mysteries of various phases of fundamental forces, from the Coulomb phase of electromagnetism to the confined phase of strong interaction, where quarks and gluons are not visible, and the Higgs phase of weak force, where particles are heavy.

      The world of particle physics is filled with intriguing mysteries, from the existence of just one Higgs particle to the different phases of various forces. The electromagnetic force, for instance, is in the Coulomb phase where charged particles repel or attract each other, and we have a detailed understanding of it. The weak force, on the other hand, is in the Higgs phase, where the particles that mediate the forces are heavy. The strong interaction, which was a bigger puzzle, was predicted to involve quarks and gluons, but their absence was explained by the concept of confinement. This confined phase, where quarks and gluons are not visible, is now understood to be a real phase of the theory, with various tests and numerical simulations verifying this feature. The progress in understanding these different phases and their implications is a testament to the ongoing exploration in particle physics, keeping researchers awake at night with new discoveries and predictions.

    • Our understanding of the fundamental building blocks of matter and forces has evolved significantly since the seventies.Progress in particle physics has led to new questions about potential phases of quantum field theories and the distinct nature of the three fundamental forces in the standard model.

      Our understanding of the fundamental building blocks of matter and the forces that bind them together has significantly evolved since the early seventies, despite the fact that we have yet to provide a rigorous mathematical proof for the existence of quarks and the confinement of their energies in strong interactions. This progress, however, leaves us with intriguing questions about the potential existence of other phases of quantum field theories and the seemingly distinct nature of the three fundamental forces in the standard model. While it's not surprising that these forces exist given our current knowledge, it's still an open question whether they're the only possibilities or if there are others that we haven't discovered yet. The quest for answers to these questions continues to drive the field of particle physics forward.

    • Learning a new language with Babbel and exploring scientific mysteriesBabbel, a language learning platform, helps users communicate effectively in a new language quickly. Scientific discoveries, like the Higgs boson, spark curiosity and question the prioritization of solving certain mysteries over others.

      Effective language learning platforms like Babbel, designed by language experts, can help individuals start speaking a new language in a short period of time. The user shared his personal experience of using Babbel to prepare for a trip to France and how it helped him communicate effectively with locals without relying on language apps. The discussion also touched upon the intrigue of the scientific world, specifically the discovery of the Higgs boson at the Large Hadron Collider in 2012 and the ongoing quest to understand the universe's mysteries, such as the cosmological constant and the hierarchy problem. The user shared how these discoveries and puzzles in physics have led scientists to question the rationality of finding explanations for one problem over another, leaving us with the open question of whether we'll ever fully understand the universe's secrets.

    • The mysteries of the Higgs boson's lightness and the small energy of empty spaceThe anthropic principle, a controversial explanation, suggests that the universe's constants are fine-tuned for the existence of intelligent life. Weinberg's prediction of the smallest cosmological constant consistent with intelligent observers was later verified.

      The mysteries of the Higgs boson's lightness and the small energy of empty space, known as the hierarchy problem and the cosmological constant problem respectively, have left scientists grappling with disturbing questions about our understanding of the universe. While some explanations suggest new particles, others, like the anthropic principle, propose that the universe's constants are fine-tuned for the existence of intelligent life. This principle, though controversial, was put forward by physicist Steven Weinberg in the 1980s when there was no clear evidence for a cosmological constant. Despite criticisms, Weinberg's prediction, that the cosmological constant should be the smallest value consistent with the existence of intelligent observers, was later verified. The anthropic principle raises concerns about the scientific nature of such explanations, but it's important to remember that it was a prediction, and its verification adds to the complexity of our understanding of the universe. The lingering issues of the hierarchy and cosmological constant problems, which have been around for decades, require a multiverse of possibilities and the ability to sample them to make anthropic solutions work. While this idea may not be satisfying for some, it's an intriguing direction for exploring the fundamental nature of our universe.

    • The role of empty space energy and the Higgs boson in the existence of complex structuresThe discovery of empty space energy and the properties of the Higgs boson are crucial for the formation of complex structures like stars, galaxies, and potentially life as we know it. The three fundamental forces in the standard model might be the minimum requirement for complexity and life's emergence.

      The discovery of empty space having energy, and the properties of the Higgs boson, play crucial roles in the existence of complex structures like stars, galaxies, and potentially life as we know it. If these fundamental aspects of the universe were different, the development of such structures might not be possible. The discussion also hinted at the idea that the three fundamental forces in the standard model might be the minimum requirement for complexity and the emergence of life. However, the implications of these findings can be quite complex and uncertain, and further research is needed to fully understand their consequences. The idea that the universe is finely tuned for life, often referred to as the anthropic principle, can be a fun and intriguing way to explore these questions, but it also comes with its share of skepticism and challenges.

    • Exploring beyond the Standard ModelThe Standard Model may not be the complete story, with theories like supersymmetry proposing new particles and solutions to challenges, but these theories come with their own complexities and experimental constraints.

      While the Standard Model of particle physics provides a solid framework for understanding the fundamental building blocks of matter and their interactions, it may not be the complete story. The discussion touched upon the possibility of additional generations of particles, such as a hypothetical 4th generation, and the existence of theories like supersymmetry that aim to address certain challenges within the Standard Model, like the hierarchy problem. These theories, however, come with their own complexities and experimental constraints. Supersymmetry, for instance, is a symmetry between particles with half-integer and integer spin, and it was once a popular candidate to explain the existence of a single light Higgs boson. Despite its potential, supersymmetry has yet to be definitively proven, and its implications remain a topic of ongoing research. Overall, the conversation emphasized the importance of considering alternative explanations and exploring the frontiers of our current understanding of the physical world.

    • The search for supersymmetric partners of the Higgs bosonDespite the lack of discovery of supersymmetric partners of the Higgs boson, scientists continue to search due to the multiverse theory's potential explanation of our universe's stability.

      The discovery of the Higgs boson, a particle with half-integer spin, raised expectations that its supersymmetric partners, which also have half-integer spin, would be found in the same experiments. However, these particles, such as the w and z bosons, have not been discovered yet, leading scientists to question the theory's constants and consider the possibility that they might be heavier than initially thought. The multiverse theory suggests that our universe's stability could be explained by supersymmetry, making it a compelling reason to continue searching for these particles, despite the challenges and uncertainties.

    • The search for a theory beyond the Standard Model is complex and ongoingDespite various theories and frameworks, including string theory and grand unification, there's no satisfactory solution yet to the challenge of quarks and leptons having substructure or unifying all forces. Scientists remain skeptical and continue to explore possibilities.

      While there are various theories and frameworks, such as supersymmetry and string theory, that aim to go beyond the Standard Model in particle physics, they each come with their own challenges and unanswered questions. String theory, for instance, is a popular framework that has made significant progress in resolving some issues between the Standard Model and General Relativity, but it doesn't necessarily point to further substructure. On the other hand, the idea of quarks and leptons having substructure, as proposed in the 1970s by Gerard 't Hooft, is still a challenge to build theories around due to the constraints from Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. The lack of a satisfactory solution to this issue, despite extensive efforts, leaves some scientists skeptical and not overly enthusiastic about these theories until a brilliant one emerges. Another area of exploration is grand unification, which aims to unify the electromagnetic, weak, and strong forces, but no evidence has been found for any of the proposed models yet. Overall, the quest for a theory that goes beyond the Standard Model is a complex and ongoing process.

    • Unifying the Forces: A Beautiful AttemptThe Grand Unification theories, proposed in the 1970s, aim to unify the strong, weak, and electromagnetic forces, predicting proton instability and magnetic monopoles. Continuously inspiring new questions and investigations, they should fit data and other theories for compatibility.

      The Grand Unification theories, proposed in the 1970s by Glashow and Weinberg, represent a mathematically and conceptually beautiful attempt to unify the strong, weak, and electromagnetic forces. These theories made predictions about the proton's instability and the existence of magnetic monopoles. Experiments to test these predictions have been ongoing, but the proton's longevity remains a challenge for these theories. Another key idea is that theories in particle physics are interconnected, and the addition of new particles or concepts can have far-reaching implications. Additionally, theories should not only fit the data but also fit well with other theories, as the compatibility of ideas is important in guiding theory choice. Despite the challenges and the possibility of being laughed at by future generations, these theories continue to inspire new questions and investigations.

    • The importance of good judgment in choosing problems to work onGood judgment is crucial in selecting problems to investigate, even if mathematical theories provide guidance. Anthropic principle suggestions might not hold up against new discoveries.

      While the beauty and elegance of mathematical theories can guide researchers in their investigations, it does not guarantee the theory's accuracy. Theorists, like Beza Gursey, emphasize the importance of good judgment in choosing problems to work on. In the context of the Higgs boson, the anthropic principle suggests that the simplest realization of a possibility that leads to the existence of life is the most likely. However, the discovery of multiple Higgs bosons or particles with unexpected properties could challenge anthropic explanations. For instance, supersymmetry, which naturally comes with multiple Higgs bosons, might be a more complex explanation for the Higgs boson's properties. Ultimately, the choice between theories depends on the available evidence and the potential for future discoveries. The debate about extending supersymmetric results to nonsupersymmetric cases highlights the need for caution and humility in making theoretical predictions.

    • Unresolved mysteries in the Standard Model of particle physicsThe Standard Model explains many phenomena but falls short in addressing observational mysteries like matter-antimatter asymmetry and dark matter. New laws and particles beyond the Standard Model, like supersymmetry, are potential solutions.

      The Standard Model of particle physics, while successful in explaining many phenomena, falls short in addressing certain observational mysteries, such as the matter-antimatter asymmetry and the existence of dark matter. These issues require new laws of nature and particles beyond the Standard Model. The idea of supersymmetry, which could prevent the universe from decaying into lower energy states, is one possible solution. However, it doesn't necessarily mean that supersymmetry is close to discovery. The anthropic principle, which suggests that the universe's properties are fine-tuned for life, can provide some motivation for why certain physical laws may hold. Overall, modern particle physicists are driven by these unresolved questions and the need to expand our understanding of the fundamental laws of nature.

    • Exploring Alternatives to Understand Dark Matter and the UniverseThe axion, a hypothetical particle, could potentially explain 25% of the universe's energy density as dark matter. Experiments are currently searching for axions, and their discovery would provide valuable insights into the nature of dark matter and the universe.

      While there are several experimental signatures and theories, such as supersymmetry and dark matter, that could potentially expand our understanding of particle physics, the discovery of these phenomena is contingent on various unknowns and ongoing research. One leading alternative for explaining dark matter is the axion, a hypothetical particle that emerged from thinking about strong interaction puzzles. The axion, if it exists, could account for approximately 25% of the universe's energy density. Experiments are now in a position to potentially detect axions, and their discovery would provide insights into the nature of dark matter and the universe as a whole. However, the search for dark matter and new particles is complex, as there are numerous theories and possibilities, and each experiment can only explore a certain swath of these ideas. The lack of clear predictions and the absence of definitive discoveries at the LHC have led some to place more emphasis on the axion idea, but ultimately, the discovery of new physics is uncertain and relies on ongoing research and experimentation.

    • Searching for WIMPs and Axions: Different MethodsWIMPs are searched for directly using sensitive instruments in mines, while axions require a large magnetic field to convert them into photons for detection.

      Despite axions and WIMPs being two leading candidates for dark matter, the ways we search for them experimentally are vastly different. For WIMPs, we look for them directly by searching for their rare interactions deep in mines with sensitive instruments, while for axions, we require a large magnetic field to convert them into photons, which we can then detect with sensitive instruments. The original motivation for the axion wasn't even related to dark matter but rather the lack of parity violation in strong interactions. This violation of parity, or mirror symmetry, is a puzzling feature in physics, and understanding it is crucial for developing a more comprehensive understanding of the fundamental forces. String theory, which has been a subject of much controversy, has played a significant role in explaining this parity violation. Despite the challenges and negative publicity, string theory continues to be a valuable tool in our quest for a deeper understanding of the universe.

    • Exploring the big questions in science with string theoryString theory is a complex and vibrant area of research, providing answers to theoretical questions and offering a glimpse into what an ultimate theory might look like, despite the challenges of implementing it as a model of nature.

      Despite the challenges and criticisms, string theory remains a vibrant area of research in physics. It functions as a model of what an ultimate theory might look like, providing answers to some theoretical questions that have been raised, such as the compatibility of black holes in quantum mechanics. However, implementing string theory as a model of nature is a complex and hard problem, with many steps between the theory's simple postulates and the standard model or general relativity that we observe in nature. While there are active efforts to relate string theory to nature, there are also obstacles, such as the dying Seiberg problem, that have not been fully addressed. Despite the lack of testable predictions at present, many researchers continue to find intellectual challenge and value in the pursuit of understanding this complex theory. So, while it may not yet provide a complete explanation of the world we see, string theory remains a rich resource for exploring the big questions in science.

    • Insights from String TheoryString Theory offers valuable explanations for certain scientific phenomena, like the origin of axions and the existence of multiple universes, but its conceptual issues related to quantum gravity remain a concern.

      While string theory may not be able to predict the world exactly as we see it or even be the only framework to consider, it can still provide valuable insights and solutions to certain scientific problems. For instance, it can help explain the origin of axions and the large number of possible universes. However, there are concerns regarding the conceptual issues related to quantum gravity, as the theory started with strings moving through pre-existing spacetime and doesn't directly address the fundamental questions of why there is spacetime and its quantum nature. Ultimately, the truth of the matter is that we don't fully understand the nature of string theory or quantum gravity, and it may be a single theory or have multiple realizations.

    • Encouraging progress in fundamental physicsEncourage focus on areas with potential for real progress, stay open-minded, adaptable, and embrace uncertainty in the pursuit of knowledge in fundamental physics.

      While the field of fundamental physics may not have all the answers today, there is still progress being made and promising areas for future research. When advising a young student considering a career in this field, it's important to encourage them to focus on areas with potential for real progress, both theoretically and experimentally. There are no guarantees, but the prospect of making a lasting contribution to the history of science is an excellent motivation. The speakers also emphasized the importance of being open-minded and adaptable, as the intellectual situation in fundamental physics may change over time. Ultimately, the pursuit of knowledge in this field requires dedication, curiosity, and a willingness to embrace uncertainty.

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    It’s well worth checking out the AIP Oral History Project website, which has over 1000 fascinating interviews with physicists from different decades. The transcript of this particular interview can be found there. Thanks to David and the AIP for letting us include this as a bonus podcast episode.

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    275 | Solo: Quantum Fields, Particles, Forces, and Symmetries

    275 | Solo: Quantum Fields, Particles, Forces, and Symmetries

    Publication week! Say hello to Quanta and Fields, the second volume of the planned three-volume series The Biggest Ideas in the Universe. This volume covers quantum physics generally, but focuses especially on the wonders of quantum field theory. To celebrate, this solo podcast talks about some of the big ideas that make QFT so compelling: how quantized fields produce particles, how gauge symmetries lead to forces of nature, and how those forces can manifest in different phases, including Higgs and confinement.

    Blog post with transcript: https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/podcast/2024/05/13/275-solo-quantum-fields-particles-forces-and-symmetries/

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