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    • Steve Jobs's obsession with simplicitySteve Jobs's focus on simplicity helped Apple turn around by eliminating overcomplication and bureaucracy, creating simply amazing and amazingly simple products, and simplifying internal communication and organization.

      Key takeaway from the discussion about the book "Steve Jobs's Next Act: The Uncommon Marriage of Business and Art" by Ken Siegel is that Steve Jobs's obsession with simplicity was a key driver of Apple's success. Jobs's dedication to simplicity was almost religious in nature and he used a tool called the "simple stick" to keep his team focused on creating simply amazing and amazingly simple products. The simple stick was a way for Jobs to eliminate overcomplication and bureaucracy, which helped Apple turn around during a time when the company was losing money and its product line was lacking. The book provides unique insights into Jobs's working relationship with Ken Siegel, who was the ad agency creative director for the firm that Steve used when he was at Next and then when he came back to Apple. The main thesis of the book is that simplicity is rare in business, yet customers respond to it, and Jobs's ability to consistently apply simplicity throughout his organization was a major factor in Apple's success. Jobs's focus on simplicity was not just about creating simple products, but also about simplifying internal communication and organization. The simple stick was a powerful tool that helped Jobs eliminate overcomplication and keep his team focused on the essentials. By eliminating bureaucracy and keeping things simple, Jobs was able to help Apple turn around and become a leader in the technology industry.

    • Clear and blunt communication is key for leadership and business growthEffective communication, specifically clear and direct feedback, helps eliminate unnecessary layers and complexities, keeping the focus on creating intuitive products and scaling a business.

      Effective communication, specifically clear and blunt communication, is essential for leadership and scaling a business. Apple's Steve Jobs is a prime example of this. He believed in direct communication and was known for his straightforward feedback. This approach ensured that everyone involved understood the standards they needed to meet and the consequences of not doing so. By eliminating unnecessary layers and complexities, Jobs kept the focus on creating intuitive and straightforward products. This simple approach helped Apple scale and become a global leader in technology.

    • Clear communication sets high standards and aligns teamsEffective communication from leaders like Steve Jobs and Michael Jordan led to transformative results for their teams by establishing clear expectations and maintaining focus.

      Clear and blunt communication, as demonstrated by Steve Jobs and Michael Jordan, sets high standards and ensures everyone is on the same page. When Andy was daydreaming in a meeting with Steve Jobs and Tim Cook, he was called out for not paying attention, and the consequence was clear. Similarly, Michael Jordan, upon joining the Chicago Bulls, recognized the team's poor performance and demanded adherence to certain standards. Both leaders' straightforward communication resulted in transforming their respective teams into championship-winning entities. Michael Moritz, in his book "The Little Kingdom," also highlights Apple's remarkable turnaround under Steve Jobs, emphasizing the rarity of a founder returning to a company to engineer such a successful comeback. The importance of clear communication and high standards is a recurring theme in the stories of these influential figures.

    • Steve Jobs' clear and blunt communication styleEffective communication prioritizes work quality over likability, leading to efficient decision-making and the ability to move quickly. Small teams of very smart people further reinforce this simplicity.

      Clear and blunt communication was a key factor in Steve Jobs' success in founding Apple not once, but twice. This style of communication, which prioritizes the quality of work over being liked, allows for efficient decision-making and the ability to move quickly. Steve's preference for small teams of very smart people further reinforces this simplicity. The opposite of this approach is meandering communication, where there is no clear purpose or direction. Jeff Bezos, another successful entrepreneur, shares this philosophy, valuing conflict and clear communication over agreement and ease. This willingness to confront conflict and communicate directly allowed Steve Jobs to lead Apple as a lean, agile organization, even as it grew to become a global tech giant.

    • Maintaining Control and Prioritizing QualitySteve Jobs believed in maintaining control, prioritizing product quality, and seeing ads in their rawest form to accurately represent his vision.

      Learning from the discussion about Steve Jobs' work ethic and approach to business, as depicted in various books, is that he believed in maintaining control and prioritizing the quality of his products above all else. This meant that he was deeply involved in every aspect of the business, from product development to marketing and advertising. He did not delegate decisions to others, but instead approved every detail himself. This simplified structure allowed him to maintain a clear focus on his top priority: creating the best products in the world and making them accessible to as many people as possible. He believed that if you truly believe your product can improve people's lives, then you have a moral obligation to get good at marketing it. Steve's approach was to see the ads in their rawest form, without any filtering or explanation from others, to ensure that his vision was being accurately represented. In essence, he believed in keeping things as simple as possible, even going so far as to prefer zero words in presentations, to maintain a clear and unfiltered communication channel.

    • Trusting small, focused teams for creativity and innovationSteve Jobs and Walt Disney relied on small, dedicated teams to drive groundbreaking achievements, trusting their collective intelligence and allowing for flexible processes

      Both Steve Jobs and Walt Disney believed in the power of small, focused teams of smart individuals to drive creativity and innovation. They trusted their own judgment and allowed for an absence of process, figuring things out as they went along. Jobs famously limited the team size for projects like the Macintosh to a hundred people, ensuring everyone's dedication to the single goal. Disney, while building Disneyland, gathered people with no experience in designing a theme park and worked together without a set process. Their trust in their team's collective intelligence led to groundbreaking achievements. Despite their occasional missteps, such as Jobs' desire to name the iMac "Mac Man" or Disney's ad-supported Mac OS idea, their commitment to small, focused teams proved invaluable in shaping their respective industries.

    • Simplicity in Advertising and Product Design by Steve JobsApple's success is rooted in Steve Jobs' focus on clear, single messages in advertising and simple, user-friendly product designs.

      Simplicity is key to effective communication and product design. Steve Jobs emphasized the importance of a clear, single message in advertising and focusing on one great idea when introducing a new product. The further you get away from a simple, single idea, the more complex and confusing things become. Apple's success can be attributed to Jobs' relentless pursuit of simplicity and focus. For example, in advertising, a single message expressed clearly is more effective than trying to convey multiple messages. In product design, offering a simple, user-friendly interface with a clear focus is more successful than cluttered, complicated options. Jobs' approach is illustrated in the contrast between Apple's operating system upgrades and Microsoft's, as well as in the development of the iMovie application. Jobs' unwavering focus and commitment to simplicity set Apple apart and contributed to its success.

    • Simplicity is key to effective communication and leadershipSteve Jobs believed in focusing on one thing at a time, editing thoughts down to their essence, and trusting relationships for successful outcomes.

      Simplicity is crucial for effective communication and successful leadership, as understood by Steve Jobs. He believed that focusing on one thing at a time and editing thoughts down to their essence were acts of service to audiences and saved valuable time. Jobs also recognized that people find more words confusing and that simplicity is fast. An example of this was when he canceled a complicated process to hire a new advertising agency and instead trusted and called his old friend Lee Clow, resulting in a more efficient and effective outcome. Trust and simplicity are powerful economic forces that can significantly impact productivity and success.

    • Simplify and move quickly for successSteve Jobs and Herb Kelleher emphasized the importance of simplifying complex decisions and moving quickly to outpace competitors and achieve success.

      Simplicity and speed are key to success, as demonstrated by Steve Jobs and Herb Kelleher. When faced with complex decision-making processes, such as choosing among multiple advertising agencies or creating a marketing campaign, it's essential to narrow the scope, simplify, and up the intensity. Both Jobs and Kelleher were known for their casual teaching styles, emphasizing the importance of getting to the essence of ideas and boiling them down. As Jim Sinegal, founder and former CEO of Costco, put it, leaders should spend 90% of their time teaching. Steve Jobs, in particular, preferred to engage in conversations and encouraged his team to focus on the core idea rather than wrapping it in fancy presentations. By simplifying and moving quickly, organizations can outpace their competitors and achieve remarkable results.

    • Apple's Success Driven by Distinct Culture and Simple LeadershipGreat companies have unique cultures that fuel success, and leaders like Steve Jobs simplified complex markets through clear communication and innovative solutions.

      Great companies, like Apple and the unnamed private company mentioned, have distinct cultures that drive their success. Steve Jobs, as an exemplary leader, taught this culture to his team through informal conversations and the use of simple language, visuals, and demos. He believed in making things as simple as possible and acting as his own slideshow. Jobs' talent for spotting markets filled with second-rate, complex products was a significant factor in his career successes with Apple, iPod, MP3 players, phones, and tablets. The Hurst Principle, a concept inspired by a biography of William Randolph Hearst, can be applied to any industry to identify opportunities for simplifying complex markets and offering superior, simpler solutions.

    • Focus on competitors' gapsAnalyze competitors' offerings, identify gaps, and find new ways to address unmet needs to differentiate and gain a competitive edge.

      Focusing on what your competitors are not doing can provide a simple path forward to success. Steve Jobs applied this principle when developing the iPad and iTunes, recognizing that managing music libraries on the device itself was making it overly complicated for users. Instead, Apple decided to manage it through iTunes, which allowed them to leap ahead of their competitors. This strategy can be traced back to the early days of media empires, such as William Randolph Hearst's expansion beyond San Francisco. By recognizing that people outside of San Francisco were similar to those within the city and had the same interests, Hearst expanded his market by sending his newspapers on trains to these communities. This simple idea led to significant growth and eventually the creation of a media empire. The "Hurst Principle" encourages businesses to analyze their competitors' offerings, identify gaps, and find new ways to address unmet needs. By doing so, companies can differentiate themselves and gain a competitive edge.

    • A private event for founders, investors, and executives to build relationshipsThe Founders Conference fosters connections and learning through an all-inclusive, smaller-scale event with intentional unstructured time for networking and breakout sessions on specific topics.

      The Founders Conference, which brings together founders, investors, executives, and high-value people in a private venue, is an effective way to help build relationships. The conference is all-inclusive, with lodging, food, and access to every part of the event covered, and intentionally smaller in size, with around 120-130 attendees. The success of the previous event resulted in numerous friendships, investments, deals, customer leads, partnerships, and opportunities. The event's schedule allows for unstructured time to talk to other attendees and smaller breakout sessions on specific topics. The next conference is being held at Sedgwick Grove, a $500 million holding company, and will include a breakout session on how they started and structured their company. The conference's goal is to facilitate meaningful connections and provide a platform for learning and growth.

    • Discovering valuable partnerships through meaningful relationshipsBuilding relationships can lead to valuable partnerships and opportunities. Leverage historical knowledge to inform current decisions.

      Building meaningful relationships can lead to valuable partnerships and opportunities. The speaker shared his experience of discovering Readwise, a tool he now uses daily in partnership with Founders Notes, due to an email from one of its founders in 2018. This partnership came about because the speaker recognized the value of making his extensive knowledge of entrepreneurial wisdom accessible to others. The power of this relationship not only led to the creation of a useful product but also underscores the importance of learning from history and the leverage it provides. Founders Notes, with its keyword search and AI assistant Sage, offers users the ability to access and utilize this collective knowledge on demand. The speaker emphasizes the significance of relationships in discovering new opportunities and the importance of leveraging historical knowledge to inform current decisions. To build relationships and access this valuable resource, apply for the event at founderspodcast.com/events.

    • Seeking knowledge and wise judgment from historical entrepreneursContinually seek knowledge and wise judgment from historical entrepreneurs, and utilize resources like Founder's Notes to make informed decisions

      Importance of accumulating knowledge and wise judgment, as exemplified by historical entrepreneurs. Steve Jobs himself recognized the significance of these traits when he suggested the name "Sage" for a project, referring to a profoundly wise person with deep understanding and sound judgment. This resonates with the entrepreneurs featured on the podcast, who have spent decades honing their craft and sharing their insights. Furthermore, accessing this wealth of knowledge can provide a competitive advantage. A listener shared how Founder's Notes, a subscription service that compiles key lessons from the podcast, has given them a tactical edge in their own business endeavors. By having this information readily available, they can learn from the collective wisdom of history's greatest entrepreneurs and make well-considered decisions. So, in essence, the takeaway is to continually seek knowledge and wise judgment, and to utilize resources like Founder's Notes to make the most of the valuable lessons shared by successful entrepreneurs.

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    (1:30) Steve wanted Apple to make a product that was simply amazing and amazingly simple.

    (3:00) If you don’t zero in on your bureaucracy every so often, you will naturally build in layers. You never set out to add bureaucracy. You just get it. Period. Without even knowing it. So you always have to be looking to eliminate it.  — Sam Walton: Made In America by Sam Walton. (Founders #234)

    (5:00) Steve was always easy to understand. He would either approve a demo, or he would request to see something different next time. Whenever Steve reviewed a demo, he would say, often with highly detailed specificity, what he wanted to happen next.  — Creative Selection: Inside Apple's Design Process During the Golden Age of Steve Jobs by Ken Kocienda. (Founders #281)

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    (10:00) Many are familiar with the re-emergence of Apple. They may not be as familiar with the fact that it has few, if any parallels.
    When did a founder ever return to the company from which he had been rudely rejected to engineer a turnaround as complete and spectacular as Apple's? While turnarounds are difficult in any circumstances they are doubly difficult in a technology company. It is not too much of a stretch to say that Steve founded Apple not once but twice. And the second time he was alone. 

    —  Return to the Little Kingdom: Steve Jobs and the Creation of Appleby Michael Moritz.

    (15:00) If the ultimate decision maker is involved every step of the way the quality of the work increases.

    (20:00) "You asked the question, What was your process like?' I kind of laugh because process is an organized way of doing things. I have to remind you, during the 'Walt Period' of designing Disneyland, we didn't have processes. We just did the work. Processes came later. All of these things had never been done before. Walt had gathered up all these people who had never designed a theme park, a Disneyland. So we're in the same boat at one time, and we figure out what to do and how to do it on the fly as we go along with it and not even discuss plans, timing, or anything. We just worked and Walt just walked around and had suggestions." — Disney's Land: Walt Disney and the Invention of the Amusement Park That Changed the World by Richard Snow. (Founders #347)

    (23:00) The further you get away from 1 the more complexity you invite in.

    (25:00) Your goal: A single idea expressed clearly.

    (26:00) Jony Ive: Steve was the most focused person I’ve met in my life

    (28:00) Editing your thinking is an act of service.

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    Players who practice hard when no one is paying attention play well when everyone is watching.

    It's hard, but it's fair. I live by those words. 

    To this day, I don't enjoy working. I enjoy playing, and figuring out how to connect playing with business. To me, that's my niche. People talk about my work ethic as a player, but they don't understand. What appeared to be hard work to others was simply playing for me.

    You have to be uncompromised in your level of commitment to whatever you are doing, or it can disappear as fast as it appeared. 

    Look around, just about any person or entity achieving at a high level has the same focus. The morning after Tiger Woods rallied to beat Phil Mickelson at the Ford Championship in 2005, he was in the gym by 6:30 to work out. No lights. No cameras. No glitz or glamour. Uncompromised. 

    I knew going against the grain was just part of the process.

    The mind will play tricks on you. The mind was telling you that you couldn't go any further. The mind was telling you how much it hurt. The mind was telling you these things to keep you from reaching your goal. But you have to see past that, turn it all off if you are going to get where you want to be.

    I would wake up in the morning thinking: How am I going to attack today?

    I’m not so dominant that I can’t listen to creative ideas coming from other people. Successful people listen. Those who don’t listen, don’t survive long.

    In all honesty, I don't know what's ahead. If you ask me what I'm going to do in five years, I can't tell you. This moment? Now that's a different story. I know what I'm doing moment to moment, but I have no idea what's ahead. I'm so connected to this moment that I don't make assumptions about what might come next, because I don't want to lose touch with the present. Once you make assumptions about something that might happen, or might not happen, you start limiting the potential outcomes. 

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    #348 The Financial Genius Behind A Century of Wall Street Scandals: Ivar Kreuger

    #348 The Financial Genius Behind A Century of Wall Street Scandals: Ivar Kreuger

    What I learned from reading The Match King: Ivar Kreuger, The Financial Genius Behind a Century of Wall Street Scandals by Frank Partnoy. 

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    1. Ivar was charismatic. His charisma was not natural. Ivar spent hours every day just preparing to talk. He practiced his lines for hours like great actors do.

    2. Ivar’s first pitch was simple, easy to understand, and legitimate: By investing in Swedish Match, Americans could earn profits from a monopoly abroad.

    3. Joseph Duveen noticed that Europe had plenty of art and America had plenty of money, and his entire astonishing career was the product of that simple observation. — The Days of Duveen by S.N. Behrman.  (Founders #339 Joseph Duveen: Robber Baron Art Dealer)

    4. Ivar studied Rockefeller and Carnegie: Ivar's plan was to limit competition and increase profits by securing a monopoly on match sales throughout the world, mimicking the nineteenth century oil, sugar, and steel trusts.

    5. When investors were manic, they would purchase just about anything. But during the panic that inevitably followed mania, the opposite was true. No one would buy.

    6. The problem isn’t getting rich. The problem is staying sane. — Charlie Munger

    7. Ivar understood human psychology. If something is limited and hard to get to that increases desire. This works for both products (like a Ferrari) and people (celebrities). Ivar was becoming a business celebrity.

    8.  I’ve never believed in risking what my family and friends have and need in order to pursue what they don't have and don't need. — The Essays of Warren Buffett by Warren Buffett and Lawrence Cunningham. (Founders #227)

    9. Great ideas are simple ideas: Ivar hooked Durant with his simple, brilliant idea: government loans in exchange for match monopolies.

    10. Ivar wrote to his parents, "I cannot believe that I am intended to spend my life making money for second-rate people. I shall bring American methods back home. Wait and see - I shall do great things. I'm bursting with ideas. I am only wondering which to carry out first."

    11. Ivar’s network of companies was far too complex for anyone to understand: It was like a corporate family tree from hell, and it extended into obscurity.

    12. “Victory in our industry is spelled survival.”   —Steve Jobs

    13. Ivar's financial statements were sloppy and incomplete. Yet investors nevertheless clamored to buy his securities.

    14. As more cash flowed in the questions went away. This is why Ponzi like schemes can last so long. People don’t want to believe. They don’t want the cash to stop.

    15. A Man for All Markets: From Las Vegas to Wall Street, How I Beat the Dealer and the Market by Ed Thorp. (Founders #222)

    16.  A summary of Charlie Munger on incentives:

    1. We all underestimate the power of incentives.
    2. Never, ever think about anything else before the power of incentives.
    3. The most important rule: get the incentives right.

    17. This is nuts! Fake phones and hired actors!

    Next to the desk was a table with three telephones. The middle phone was a dummy, a non-working phone that Ivar could cause to ring by stepping on a button under the desk. That button was a way to speed the exit of talkative visitors who were staying too long. Ivar also used the middle phone to impress his supporters. When Percy Rockefeller visited Ivar pretended to receive calls from various European government officials, including Mussolini and Stalin. That evening, Ivar threw a lavish party and introduced Rockefeller to numerous "ambassadors" from various countries, who actually were movie extras he had hired for the night.

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    #347 How Walt Disney Built His Greatest Creation: Disneyland

    #347 How Walt Disney Built His Greatest Creation: Disneyland

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    (8:00) When in 1955 we heard that Disney had opened an amusement park under his own name, it appeared certain that we could not look forward to anything new from Mr. Disney.

    We were quite wrong.

    He had, instead, created his masterpiece.

    (13:00) This may be the greatest product launch of all time: He had run eight months of his television program. He hadn't named his new show Walt Disney Presents or The Wonderful World of Walt Disney.

    It was called simply Disneyland, and every weekly episode was an advertisement for the still unborn park.

    (15:00) Disneyland is the extension of the powerful personality of one man.

    (15:00) The creation of Disneyland was Walt Disney’s personal taste in physical form.

    (24:00) How strange that the boss would just drop it. Walt doesn’t give up. So he must have something else in mind.

    (26:00) Their mediocrity is my opportunity. It is an opportunity because there is so much room for improvement.

    (36:00) Roy Disney never lost his calm understanding that the company's prosperity rested not on the rock of conventional business practices, but on the churning, extravagant, perfectionist imagination of his younger brother.

    (41:00) Walt Disney’s decision to not relinquish his TV rights to United Artists was made in 1936. This decision paid dividends 20 years later. Hold on. Technology -- developed by other people -- constantly benefited Disney's business. Many such cases in the history of entrepreneurship.

    (43:00) Walt Disney did not look around. He looked in. He looked in to his personal taste and built a business that was authentic to himself.

    (54:00) "You asked the question, What was your process like?' I kind of laugh because process is an organized way of doing things. I have to remind you, during the 'Walt Period' of designing Disneyland, we didn't have processes.

    We just did the work. Processes came later. All of these things had never been done before.

    Walt had gathered up all these people who had never designed a theme park, a Disneyland.

    So we're in the same boat at one time, and we figure out what to do and how to do it on the fly as we go along with it and not even discuss plans, timing, or anything.

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    #346 How Walt Disney Built Himself

    #346 How Walt Disney Built Himself

    What I learned from rereading Walt Disney: The Triumph of the American Imagination by Neal Gabler. 

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    (2:00) Disney’s key traits were raw ingenuity combined with sadistic determination.

    (3:00) I had spent a lifetime with a frustrated, and often unemployed man, who hated anybody who was successful. 

    Francis Ford Coppola: A Filmmaker's Life by Michael Schumacher. (Founders #242)

    (6:00) Disney put excelence before any other consideration.

    (11:00) Maybe the most important thing anyone ever said to him: You’re crazy to be a professor she told Ted. What you really want to do is draw. Ted’s notebooks were always filled with these fabulous animals. So I set to work diverting him. Here was a man who could draw such pictures. He should earn a living doing that. 

    Becoming Dr. Seuss: Theodor Geisel and the Making of an American Imagination by Brian Jay Jones. (Founders #161)

    (14:00) A quote about Edwin Land that would apply to Walt Disney too:

    Land had learned early on that total engrossment was the best way for him to work. He strongly believed that this kind of concentrated focus could also produce extraordinary results for others. Late in his career, Land recalled that his “whole life has been spent trying to teach people that intense concentration for hour after hour can bring out in people resources they didn’t know they had.”  A Triumph of Genius: Edwin Land, Polaroid, and the Kodak Patent War by Ronald Fierstein. (Founders #134)

    (15:00) My parents objected strenuously, but I finally talked them into letting me join up as a Red Cross ambulance driver. I had to lie about my age, of course. 

    In my company was another fellow who had lied about his age to get in. He was regarded as a strange duck, because whenever we had time off and went out on the town to chase girls, he stayed in camp drawing pictures.

    His name was Walt Disney.

    Grinding It Out: The Making of McDonald's by Ray Kroc. (Founders #293)

    (20:00) Walt Disney had big dreams. He had outsized aspirations.

    (22:00) A quote from Edwin Land that would apply to Walt Disney too: My motto is very personal and may not fit anyone else or any other company. It is: Don't do anything that someone else can do.

    (24:00) Walt Disney seldom dabbled. Everyone who knew him remarked on his intensity; when something intrigued him, he focused himself entirely as if it were the only thing that mattered.

    (29:00) He had the drive and ambition of 10 million men.

    (29:00) I'm going to sit tight. I have the greatest opportunity I've ever had, and I'm in it for everything.

    (31:00) He seemed confident beyond any logical reason for him to be so. It appeared that nothing discouraged him.

    (31:00) You have to take the hard knocks with the good breaks in life.

    (32:00) Nothing wrong with my aim, just gotta change the target. — Jay Z

    (35:00) He sincerely wanted to be counted among the best in his craft.

    (43:00) He didn't want to just be another animation producer. He wanted to be the king of animation. Disney believed that quality was his only real advantage.

    (47:00) Walt Disney wanted domination. Domination that would make his position unassailable.

    (49:00) Disney was always trying to make something he could be proud of.

    (50:00) We have a habit of divine discontent with our performance. It is an antidote to smugness.

    Eternal Pursuit of Unhappiness: Being Very Good Is No Good,You Have to Be Very, Very, Very, Very, Very Good by David Ogilvy and Ogivly & Mather.  (Founders #343)

    (53:00) While it is easy, of course, for me to celebrate my doggedness now and say that it is all you need to succeed, the truth is that it demoralized me terribly. I would crawl into the house every night covered in dust after a long day, exhausted and depressed because that day's cyclone had not worked. There were times when I thought it would never work, that I would keep on making cyclone after cyclone, never going forwards, never going backwards, until I died.

    Against the Odds: An Autobiography by James Dyson (Founders #300)

    (56:00) He doesn't place a premium on collecting friends or socializing: "I don't believe in 50 friends. I believe in a smaller number. Nor do I care about society events. It's the most senseless use of time. When I do go out, from time to time, it's just to convince myself again that I'm not missing a lot."

    The Red Bull Story by Wolfgang Fürweger (Founders #333)

    (1:02:00) Steve was at the center of all the circles.

    He made all the important product decisions.

    From my standpoint, as an individual programmer, demoing to Steve was like visiting the Oracle of Delphi.

    The demo was my question. Steve's response was the answer.

    While the pronouncements from the Greek Oracle often came in the form of confusing riddles, that wasn't true with Steve.

    He was always easy to understand.

    He would either approve a demo, or he would request to see something different next time.

    Whenever Steve reviewed a demo, he would say, often with highly detailed specificity, what he wanted to happen next.

    He was always trying to ensure the products were as intuitive and straightforward as possible, and he was willing to invest his own time, effort, and influence to see that they were.

    Through looking at demos, asking for specific changes, then reviewing the changed work again later on and giving a final approval before we could ship, Steve could make a product turn out like he wanted.

    Much like the Greek Oracle, Steve foretold the future.

    Creative Selection: Inside Apple's Design Process During the Golden Age of Steve Jobs by Ken Kocienda. (Founders #281)

    (1:07:00) He griped that when he hired veteran animators he had to “put up with their Goddamn poor working habits from doing cheap pictures.” He believed it was easier to start from scratch with young art students and indoctrinate them in the Disney system.

    (1:15:00) I don’t want to be relagated to the cartoon medium. We have worlds to conquer here.

    (1:17:00) Advice Henry Ford gave Walt Disney about selling his company: If you sell any of it you should sell all of it.

    (1:23:00) He kept a slogan pasted inside of his hat: You can’t top pigs with pigs. (A reminder that we have to keep blazing new trails.)

    (1:25:00) Disney’s Land: Walt Disney and the Invention of the Amusement Park That Changed the World by Richard Snow.

    (1:33:00) It is the detail. If we lose the detail, we lose it all.

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    #254 John D. Rockefeller: The Founding Father of the Rockefellers

    #254 John D. Rockefeller: The Founding Father of the Rockefellers

    What I learned from reading John D: The Founding Father of the Rockefellers by David Freeman Hawke.

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    [0:07] He transmitted messages in code and secrecy covered all of his operations.

    [0:39]  Rockefeller compared himself to Napoleon.

    [2:20] He could think quicker and along more individual and original lines than any of them.

    [2:35] It is always hard to successfully control what you don't understand.

    [3:32] Titan: The Life of John D. Rockefeller by Ron Chernow. (Founders #248)

    [7:27] By the time I was a man — long before it —I had learned the underlying principles of business and the rules of business as well as many men acquire them by the time they are 40. I needed no one to advise me about the nature of transactions with which I had been carrying on since childhood.

    [8:59] Random Reminiscences of Men and Events by John D. Rockefeller. (Founders #148)

    [10:55] You should try to expose yourself to experiences that are slightly ahead of your skillset or understanding and you should do so constantly.

    [13:48] A veteran of long-distance provider MCI, Price came to Amazon in 1999. He blundered early by suggesting in a meeting that Amazon executives who traveled frequently should be permitted to fly business-class. Bezos often said he wanted his colleagues to speak their minds, but at times it seemed he did not appreciate being personally challenged. “You would have thought I was trying to stop the Earth from tilting on its axis,” Price says, recalling that moment with horror years later. “Jeff slammed his hand on the table and said, ‘That is not how an owner thinks! That’s the dumbest idea I’ve ever heard.’ — The Everything Store: Jeff Bezos and the Age of Amazon by Brad Stone (Founders #179)

    [18:42] He saw that posted rates, supposedly fixed, could also be negotiated. All was not as it seemed on the outside.

    [20:45] He was the greatest borrower I ever saw.

    [22:12] What if the president of a bank refused to make me a loan? That was nothing. That made no difference to me; simply meant that I must look elsewhere until I got what I wanted.

    [26:07] Hard Drive: Bill Gates and the Making of the Microsoft Empire by James Wallace and Jim Erickson (Founders #140)

    [26:41] Lost from view is the Rockefeller that Cleveland knew in the 1860s— a vigorous, alert gentleman with a quiet, but extraordinary personality.

    [29:10] Small egos do not build giant companies.

    [30:23] When Money Was In Fashion: Henry Goldman, Goldman Sachs, and the Founding of Wall Street by June Breton Fisher. (Founders #255)

    [33:10] The customer-experience path we've chosen requires us to have an efficient cost structure. The good news for shareowners is that we see much opportunity for improvement in that regard. Everywhere we look we find what experienced Japanese manufacturers would call muda, or waste.* I find this incredibly energizing. I see it as potential-years and years of variable and fixed productivity gains and more efficient, higher velocity, more flexible capital expenditures. — Invent and Wander: The Collected Writings of Jeff Bezos (Founders #155)

    [34:54] Other refiners groused about these restrictions, but in general they accepted them as facts to live with. Rockefeller refused to do so.

    [38:55] Last Train to Paradise: Henry Flagler and the Spectacular Rise and Fall of the Railroad that Crossed an Ocean by Les Standiford. (Founders #247)

    [40:15] You don’t want turnover on your core product team. Knowledge compounds. Don’t interrupt the compounding. — Softwar: An Intimate Portrait of Larry Ellison and Oracle by Matthew Symonds (Founders #124)

    [47:47] 1. You raise money so you can increase production. 2. Use your increased production to get better rates on transportation than other refiners. 3. Use your increased profits —because you have better transportation —to buy your competitors. 4. You continue to find secret sources of income.

    [55:23] Most simply doubted that Rockefeller's plan would work. John, it cannot be done, they said.

    [56:13] It was ruthless efficiency and hyper competence.

    [1:00:07] Rockefeller loves secret allies.

    [1:00:31] The secret ownership of other companies was so well preserved that often a refiner enraged by Standard’s ruthless tactics would refuse its offer to buy him out and sell instead to a local competitor—unaware that he had in fact sold out to Standard.

    [1:02:01] He believed that Standard Oil stock is the most valuable thing in the world to own and always bought more of it.

    [1:05:57] Check out how Rockefeller turns an expense into a profit center: Standard purchased a half interest in Chess, Carley & Company, the largest distributor of refined oil to the South and Southwest. Together they purchased a number of the newly introduced bulk tank cars. Chess-Carley shipped turpentine from southern pine forests to Cleveland, where the cars were emptied and the turpentine was sold in the local market. The tank cars were then filled with kerosene and sent back to Louisville for distribution. In a single swoop the huge expense of shipment by barrels had been eliminated.

    [1:09:22] He proceeded in the same steady, methodical way that a farmer plowed a field.

    [1:13:47] The danger Potts and the Pennsylvania railroad posed to his creation convinced Rockefeller that the time had come to pick a fight with the world's largest industrial corporation.

    [1:23:20] Rockefeller would have horse-drawn carriages drive up and down the streets and sell oil directly.

    [1:28:28] I think it is fair to say that the strong men who were competitors in the oil refining business, the aggressive men in the best financial condition, and the most intelligent, indeed the class of men who would be most likely to survive in the competitive struggle, were the men who were most likely to take up our idea of cooperation.

    [1:33:09] Dark Genius of Wall Street: The Misunderstood Life of Jay Gould, King of the Robber Barons by Edward J. Renehan Jr.

    [1:35:38] Jay Gould was the single most unsettling force ever to appear on the American industrial scene.

    [1:36:22] Among wheelers and dealers of his day Gould had no peer.

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    #249 Steve Jobs In His Own Words

    #249 Steve Jobs In His Own Words

    What I learned from reading I, Steve: Steve Jobs In His Own Words by George Beahm.

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    On Steve Jobs

    #5 Steve Jobs: The Biography
    #19 Becoming Steve Jobs: The Evolution of a Reckless Upstart into a Visionary Leader
    #76 Return To The Little Kingdom: Steve Jobs and The Creation of Apple
    #77 Steve Jobs & The NeXT Big Thing
    #204 Inside Steve Jobs' Brain
    #214 Steve Jobs: The Exclusive Biography
    #235 To Pixar And Beyond: My Unlikely Journey with Steve Jobs to Make Entertainment History

    Bonus Episodes on Steve Jobs

    Insanely Simple: The Obsession That Drives Apple's Success (Between #112 and #113)
    Creative Selection: Inside Apple's Design Process During the Golden Age of Steve Jobs (Between #110 and #111)

    On Jony Ive and Steve Jobs

    #178 Jony Ive: The Genius Behind Apple's Greatest Products

    On Ed Catmull and Steve Jobs

    #34 Creativity Inc: Overcoming The Unseen Forces That Stand In The Way of True Inspiration

    On Steve Jobs and several other technology company founders

    #157 The Innovators: How a Group of Hackers, Geniuses, and Geeks Created the Digital Revolution

    #208 In the Company of Giants: Candid Conversations With the Visionaries of the Digital World

    [3:13] We're not going to be the first to this party, but we're going to be the best.

    [4:54] Company Focus: We do no market research. We don't hire consultants. We just want to make great products.

    [5:06] The roots of Apple were to build computers for people, not for corporations. The world doesn't need another Dell or Compaq.

    [5:52] Nearly all the founders I’ve read about have a handful of ideas/principles that are important to them and they just repeat and pound away at them forever.

    [7:00] You can oftentimes arrive at some very elegant and simple solutions. Most people just don't put in the time or energy to get there.

    [8:09] I think of Founders as a tool for working professionals. And what that tool does is it gets ideas from the history of entrepreneurship into your brain so then you can use them in your work. It just so happens that a podcast is a great way to achieve that goal.

    [8:48] Tim Ferriss Podcast #596 with Ed Thorp

    [8:50] A Man for All Markets: From Las Vegas to Wall Street, How I Beat the Dealer and the Market by Ed Thorp. (Founders 222)

    [10:43] In most people's vocabularies, design means veneer. It's interior decorating. It's the fabric of the curtains and the sofa. But to me, nothing could be further from the meaning of design. Design is the fundamental soul of a man-made creation that ends up expressing itself in successive outer layers of the product or service.

    [12:05] The Essential Difference: The Lisa people wanted to do something great. And the Mac people want to do something insanely great. The difference shows.

    [14:21] Sure, what we do has to make commercial sense, but it's never the starting point. We start with the product and the user experience.

    [15:57] Becoming Steve Jobs: The Evolution of a Reckless Upstart into a Visionary Leader by Brent Schlender and Rick Tetzeli. (Founders #19)

    [16:41] We had a passion to do this one simple thing.

    [16:51] And that's really important because he's saying I wasn't trying to build the biggest company. I wasn't trying to build a trillion dollar company. It wasn't doing any of that. Those things happen later as a by-product of what I was actually focused on, which is just building the best computer that I wanted to use.

    [17:14] In the Company of Giants: Candid Conversations With the Visionaries of the Digital World by Rama Dev Jager and Rafael Ortiz.  (Founders #208 )

    [17:41] It comes down to trying to expose yourself to the best things that humans have done and then try to bring those things in to what you're doing. Picasso had a saying: good artists copy, great artists steal. And we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas.

    [20:29] Our belief was that if we kept putting great products in front of customers, they would continue to open their wallets.

    [21:06]  A Mind at Play: How Claude Shannon Invented the Information Age by Jimmy Soni and Rob Goodman (Founders #95) “A very small percentage of the population produces the greatest proportion of the important ideas. There are some people if you shoot one idea into the brain, you will get half an idea out. There are other people who are beyond this point at which they produce two ideas for each idea sent in.”

    [22:29] Edwin land episodes:

    Insisting On The Impossible: The Life of Edwin Land and Instant: The Story of Polaroid (Founders #40)

    The Instant Image: Edwin Land and The Polaroid Experience by Mark Olshaker. (Founders #132)

    Land’s Polaroid: A Company and The Man Who Invented It by Peter C. Wensberg. (Founders #133)

    A Triumph of Genius: Edwin Land, Polaroid, and the Kodak Patent War by Ronald K. Fierstein. (Founders #134)

    [25:01] Macintosh was basically this relatively small company in Cupertino, California, taking on the goliath, IBM, and saying "Wait a minute, your way is wrong. This is not the way we want computers to go. This is not the legacy we want to leave. This is not what we want our kids to be learning. This is wrong and we are going to show you the right way to do it and here it is and it is so much better.

    [27:47] Jony Ive: The Genius Behind Apple's Greatest Productsby Leander Kahney. (
    (Founders #178)

    [29:00] Enzo Ferrari: Power, Politics, and the Making of an Automobile Empire by Luca Dal Monte (Founders #98)

    [34:39] On meeting his wife, Laurene: I was in the parking lot, with the key in the car, and I thought to myself: If this is my last night on earth, would I rather spend it at a business meeting or with this woman? I ran across the parking lot, asked her if she'd have dinner with me. She said yes, we walked into town, and we've been together ever since.

    [37:26] It's not about pop culture, and it's not about fooling people, and it's not about convincing people that they want something they don't. We figure out what we want. And I think we're pretty good at having the right discipline to think through whether a lot of other people are going to want it, too. That's what we get paid to do.

    [41:29] Constellation Software Inc. President's Letters by Mark Leonard. (Founders #246)

    [42:30] Made in Japan: Akio Morita and Sony by Akio Morita. (Founders #102)

    [44:36] Victory in our industry is spelled survival.

    [45:21] Once you get into the problem you see that it's complicated, and you come up with all these convoluted solutions. That's where most people stop, and the solutions tend to work for a while. But the really great person will keep going, find the underlying problem, and come up with an elegant solution that works on every level.

    [48:15] Churchill by Paul Johnson (Founders #225)

    [48:25] I would trade all my technology for an afternoon with Socrates.

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    #98 Enzo Ferrari (the making of an automobile empire)

    #98 Enzo Ferrari (the making of an automobile empire)

    What I learned from reading Enzo Ferrari: Power, Politics, and the Making of an Automobile Empire by Luca Dal Monte.

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    [0:01] Ferrari was animated by an extraordinary passion that led him to build a product with no equal

    [3:52] Lee Iacocca on why Enzo Ferrari will go as the greatest car manufacturer in history: "Ferrari spent every dollar chasing perfection." 

    [8:50] Business lessons from his father  

    [11:47] Enzo Ferrari was not interested in school. He wanted to start working immediately. 

    [16:36] The deaths of his father and brother 

    [18:20] No job. No money. No connections. A young man desperate to succeed in life. 

    [23:06] He learned something that he would never forget for the rest of his life: Not even the best driver had any chance of victory if he was not at the wheel of the best car

    [24:20] Starting his first business which ends in bankruptcy.

    [28:31] Enzo learned from those who already accomplished what he was trying to do. 

    [31:10] He does the best possible job at whatever task he is given. Even if he doesn't want to do it. Enzo focuses on being useful. 

    [33:35] A young Enzo Ferrari is plagued with doubts and close to a nervous breakdown. 

    [38:28] The large leave gaps for the small: The start of Scuderia Ferrari. 

    [49:38] Enzo Ferrari at 33 years old. 

    [51:30] For Enzo Ferrari it was always day 1.

    [52:33] Alfa Romeo pulls the plug/the end of Scuderia Ferrari, the birth of Ferrari.

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    #132 Edwin Land (Steve Jobs's Hero)

    #132 Edwin Land (Steve Jobs's Hero)

    What I learned from reading The Instant Image: Edwin Land and the Polaroid Experience by Mark Olshaker. 

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    [1:42] The word “problem” had completely departed from Edwin land's vocabulary to be replaced by the word “opportunity”. 

    [2:01] What was it about this man and his company that allowed such confidence and seeming lack of concern with the traditional top priorities of American business? 

    [2:38] There is something unique about Polaroid having to do both with the human dimension of the company, and with a unity of vision of its founder and guiding genius.  

    [3:36] Perhaps the single most important aspect of Land's character is his ability to regard things around him in a new and totally different way.  

    [4:14] Right from the beginning of his career Land had paid scant attention to what experts had to say, trusting his own instincts instead.  

    [4:49] Land has always believed that for any item sufficiently ingenious and intriguing, a new market could be created. Conventional wisdom has little capacity with which to evaluate a market that did not exist prior to the product that defines it. 

    [5:21] He feels that creativity is an individual thing. Not generally applicable to group generation. 

    [5:52] Land is a man deeply caught up in the creative potential of the individual. 

    [6:33] An institution is the lengthened shadow of one man. 

    [7:43] Apple founder Steve Jobs once hailed Edwin Land, the founder of Polaroid and the father of instant photography, as "a national treasure" and once confessed to a reporter that meeting Land was "like visiting a shrine." By his own admission, Jobs modeled much of his own career after Land’s. Both Jobs and Land stand out today as unique and towering figures in the history of technology. Neither had a college degree, but both built highly successful and innovative organizations. Jobs and Land were both perfectionists with an almost fanatic attentiveness to detail, in addition to being consummate showmen and instinctive marketers. In many ways, Edwin Land was the original Steve Jobs.  

    [8:36] There's a rule that they don't teach you at the Harvard business school. It is, if anything is worth doing it's worth doing to excess

    [11:22] Steve Jobs: I always thought of myself as a humanities person as a kid, but I liked electronics. Then I read something that one of my heroes, Edwin Land of Polaroid, said about the importance of people who could stand at the intersection of humanities and sciences. And I decided that's what I wanted to do.  

    [12:51] In a world full of cooks, Edwin Land was a chef. [Link to The Cook and The Chef: Elon Musk’s Secret Sauce]  

    [19:34] Land was asked what he wanted to be when he was younger: I had two goals. To be the world's greatest scientist and to be the world's greatest novelist. 

    [21:28] Everyone acknowledged that the future of Polaroid corporation would be determined by what went on in the brain of Edwin Land. 

    [22:01] My motto is very personal and may not fit anyone else or any other company. It is: Don't do anything that someone else can do.  

    [22:54] Fortunately our company has been one which has been dedicated throughout its life to making only things which others can not make.  

    [25:06] Land had far more faith in his own potential, and that of the company he inspired, than did any of the experts looking in from the outside.  

    [27:30] Polaroid failed to build a successful company by selling to other businesses: Each [product] would have involved millions of dollars in revenue for the company, but each invention involved a certain degree of transformation of an existing industry controlled by an existing power structure. From this Land realizes he needs to control the relationship with the customer. He realizes he needs to sell directly to the end user

    [36:16] Edwin Land is inspired by, and learned from, people that came before him. One example of this is Alexander Graham Bell. Edwin Land is not worried about the marketing [of a new product] because Bell went through the same thing: Land apparently lost little sleep over the initial situation, calling to mind that the same sort of reaction had greeted the public introduction of Bell's telephone, 70 years earlier. The telephone had been a dominant symbol in Land's thinking. He began making numerous connections between his camera and the telephone.  

    [40:16] Over the years, I have learned that every significant invention has several characteristics. By definition it must be startling, unexpected, and must come into a world that is not prepared for it. If the world were prepared for it, it would not be much of an invention.  

    [40:46] It is the public's role to resist [a new invention, a new product/service]. 

    [41:29] It took us a lifetime to understand that if we're to make a new commodity —a commodity of beauty —then we must be prepared for the extensive teaching program needed to prepare society for the magnitude of our invention

    [45:12] Only the individual— and not the large group— can see a part of the world in a totally new and different way.  

    [48:08] Land's view is that a company should be scientifically daring and financially conservative. 

    [50:30] To understand more about every aspect of light, Edwin Land read every single book on light that was available in the New York City Public Library. That reminded me of one of my favorite lectures ever: Running Down A Dream: How to Succeed and Thrive in a Career You Love

    [51:59] Land on the problem with formal education: Young people for the most part —unless they are geniuses— after a very short time in college, give up any hope of being individually great. 

    [54:16] Among all the components and Land's intellectual arsenal, the chief one seems to be simple concentration.  

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    #245 Rick Rubin (In the Studio)

    #245 Rick Rubin (In the Studio)

    What I learned from reading Rick Rubin: In the Studio by Jake Brown.

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    Rick Rubin on The Peter Attia Drive Podcast #57

    Shangri-La Documentary

    Rick’s podcast Broken Record

    [1:39] Decoded by Jay Z. (Founders #238)

    [3:19] Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.

    [3:31] His goal is to record music in its most basic and purest form. No extra bells and whistles. All wheat, no chaff.

    [5:42] Dr. Land was saying: “I could see what the Polaroid camera should be. It was just as real to me as if it was sitting in front of me before I had ever built one.” And Steve said: “Yes, that’s exactly the way I saw the Macintosh.” He said if I asked someone who had only used a personal calculator what a Macintosh should be like they couldn’t have told me. There was no way to do consumer research on it so I had to go and create it and then show it to people and say now what do you think?” Both of them had this ability to not invent products, but discover products. Both of them said these products have always existed — it’s just that no one has ever seen them before. We were the ones who discovered them. The Polaroid camera always existed and the Macintosh always existed — it’s a matter of discovery.

    [7:31] My goal is to just get out of the way and let the people I'm working with be the best versions of themselves.

    [7:50] Berkshire Hathaway Letters to Shareholders 1965-2018 by Warren Buffett (Founders #88)

    [11:26] In-N-Out Burger: A Behind-the-Counter Look at the Fast-Food Chain That Breaks All the Rules by Stacy Perman. (Founders #244)

    [14:13] “Designing a product is keeping 5,000 things in your brain and fitting them all together in new and different ways.” —Steve Jobs

    [16:00] Less is more but you have to do more to get to less.

    [16:25] Against The Odds: An Autobiography by James Dyson and reading A History of Great Inventions by James Dyson. (Founders #200)

    [17:56] Rubin's most valuable quality is his own confidence.

    [20:57]  If we're going to do this, let's aim for greatness. You have to believe what you were doing is the most important thing in the world.

    [21:29] Damn Right: Behind the Scenes with Berkshire Hathaway Billionaire Charlie Munger by Janet Lowe. (Founders #221) “Everybody engaged in complicated work needs colleagues. Just the discipline of having to put your thoughts in order with somebody else is a very useful thing.”

    [24:24] On being a reducer —not a producer: Often in the studio there will be the idea to add layers to make it seem bigger. Sometimes the more things you add, the smaller it gets. A lot of it is counterintuitive. You need to discover it in practice.

    [27:10] I want to play loud. I want to be heard. And I want all to know I'm not one of the herd.

    [36:16] There were no stars in rap music. It was really just a work of passion. Everyone who was doing it was doing it because they loved it, not because anyone thought it was a career.

    [38:12] Krush Groove YouTube link

    [38:47] Russell really cared about finding new ways to expose their music to a bigger audience.

    [39:03] Bloomberg by Michael Bloomberg.  (Founders #228)

    [44:19] A handmade product at scale.

    [48:23] Rap music as recorded work was just eight years old.

    [50:06] Q: Do you have an engine of constant dissatisfaction. Self criticism that I could have done better? A: No. I’m pleased with the work that we did. Excited to keep working. It’s fun. I don’t know what else I’d do with myself. I like making things, it’s fun. I feel like it’s my reason to be on the planet so I just keep doing it. If it could be better I would have kept working on it. If it could be better it’s not done. I’ve done everything I can to make it the best it can be. I can’t do more than that so there is nothing to be critical of. It is almost like a diary entry. Everything we make is a reflection in a moment in time. Could be a day, could be a year.

    [52:54] These things that we don't understand and cannot explain happen regularly.

    [58:33] To be ignorant of what occurred before you were born is to remain always a child.

    [58:58] He's living in four different centuries at once.

    [1:01:02] I believe in you so much, I'm going to make you believe in you.

    [1:03:07] Hard Drive: Bill Gates and the Making of the Microsoft Empire by James Wallace and Jim Erickson (Founders #140)  Gates and Allen were convinced the computer industry was about to reach critical mass, and when it exploded it would usher in a technological revolution of astounding magnitude. They were on the threshold of one of those moments when history held its breath... and jumped, as it had done with the development of the car and the airplane. They could either lead the revolution or be swept along by it.

    [1:05:35] The newest sounds have a tendency to sound old when the next new sound comes along. But a grand piano sounded great 50 years ago and will sound great 50 years from now. I try to make records that have a timeless quality.

    [1:13:58] Mozart: A Life by Paul Johnson. (Founders #240)

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