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    Democrats Chase Shiny Objects. Here's How to Build Real Power.

    enFebruary 01, 2022

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    • Shifting focus to state and local electionsGetting involved in local politics can make a difference in deciding how elections are administered and impact various policy areas like COVID policy, education, criminal justice, and housing.

      The fight for democracy isn't over, despite recent setbacks in the Senate. While national efforts to pass voting rights bills have failed, the focus should shift to state and local elections, where power lies in deciding how elections are administered. Running for local office is a practical and inspiring way to make a difference, as state and local officials have significant influence over various policy areas, including elections, COVID policy, education, criminal justice, and housing. Amanda Littman, co-founder of Run For Something, shares her insights on the importance of getting involved at the local level. Despite the challenges, there's still power in the hands of the people to make a difference and ensure the democratic process is protected.

    • Congress and the Supreme Court can't protect democracy aloneThe complex structure of US elections makes it hard to rig but easy to throw into chaos, requiring ongoing efforts to reinforce democracy at various levels

      The recent failed votes in Congress for democracy protection bills provided clarity that we cannot solely rely on Congress and the Supreme Court to safeguard our democracy. These bills, while making a dent in voter suppression and trust issues, did not address the local level chicanery and pressure from figures like Donald Trump. The structure of elections in the US is complex, with 50 state elections, thousands of county elections, and various overlapping bodies governing by different rules and timelines. There is no single site to win and ensure the game is safe. The system's complexity makes it hard to rig elections but easy to throw them into chaos. We must acknowledge the challenges and continue working towards reinforcing democracy at various levels.

    • Right-wing extremists targeting local electionsRight-wing extremists are encouraging followers to run for local office, potentially undermining democratic structures and election results.

      The potential for election subversion in the 2024 election could come from small, local actions rather than large-scale protests. Steve Bannon and other far-right extremist groups are encouraging their followers to run for local office and take control of the structures that determine how elections are run. This is compounded by the fact that Democrats have less power at the state and local level, making it easier for the opposition to undermine the democratic system. The consequences of this could be significant, leading to uncertainty, mistrust, and potentially preventing the election result entirely. This is not just speculation, as there have already been reports of surges in Republican party engagement at the local level, with groups like Oathkeepers and the Proud Boys also getting involved. It's important to recognize that there is not an asymmetry in politics, and both sides have their strengths and weaknesses. However, the focus on local politics by the right could be a strategic move that could have serious implications for American democracy.

    • Republican control of state legislatures led to Democratic disadvantageRepublican control of state legislatures a decade ago weakened Democratic Party structure, allowing manipulation of election outcomes and hindering long-term investment for sustainable power.

      The Republican Party's strategic control of state legislatures a decade ago has led to an imbalance in power and disadvantaged the Democratic Party in the redistricting process, resulting in a weakened party structure for the next decade. This was achieved through various means, including weakening unions, restricting voting rights, and advancing conservative policies. While polarization and population shifts have also contributed to the Republican Party's advantage, the control of state legislatures has allowed them to manipulate election outcomes. Additionally, Democratic donors, driven by inspiration and emotion, tend to focus on presidential campaigns and short-term goals, while Republican donors approach politics as a long-term investment for business interests. This mismatch between goals and actions has hindered the Democratic Party's ability to build sustainable power and win elections at all levels.

    • Republican institutions more effective in organizing, Democratic institutions weakeningRepublicans have stronger institutions for organizing and developing activists, while Democrats face a decline in labor unions' power and resources, leading to the rise of organizations like Run for Something to fill the gap

      The Republican party has been more effective at year-round organizing and developing conservative activists and operatives, thanks to institutions like the Leadership Institute and Americans for Prosperity. This contrasts with the Democratic party, which has seen a decline in the power and resources of traditional organizing tools like labor unions. This weakening of Democratic institutions is partly due to intentional Republican strategies, such as weakening unions through right-to-work laws. Additionally, some Democratic candidates have campaigned against the party itself, undermining trust and funds. As a result, organizations like Run for Something emerged to fill the gap, launching in 2017 to help recruit and support young, diverse candidates for office. The absence of effective Democratic institutions for candidate recruitment led the organization to find candidates in unconventional ways, such as through social media and personal networks.

    • Empowering Young People to Run for OfficeRun for Something helps young people answer the 'why, what, and how' questions of running for office, enabling them to successfully get on the ballot and make a difference in their communities

      There is a significant lack of focus on young people and local politics in the political landscape. Two friends, Amanda and Ross, recognized this issue and started the organization Run for Something to address it. They initially thought they would help a small number of people run for office as a side project, but the response was overwhelming. Over 100,000 young people have now signed up to run. However, only about 10% of these individuals actually end up getting on the ballot. The organization's success lies in providing an on-ramp for people who previously thought running for office was an unattainable goal. The key to encouraging people to take action is helping them answer the questions of why they want to run, what problem they want to solve, and how the office they're seeking will allow them to do so. Once these questions are answered, the logistics of running a campaign become manageable.

    • Democratizing the process of running for officeRun for Something and similar organizations provide resources to help navigate the logistical side of campaigning, making it more accessible for young people and those looking to make a difference in their communities.

      Running for office, especially for young people, can seem daunting due to the intentional complexities and barriers set up by the system. However, organizations like Run for Something aim to democratize the process by providing resources and guidance on how to navigate the logistical side of campaigning, such as getting on the ballot and writing a campaign plan. There are over half a million elected offices in the US, many of which have a significant impact on our daily lives, from school boards to water abatement boards. While the US political system may seem overwhelming, the core of running for office is simple: identify the voters you need to reach, engage with them effectively and efficiently, and do so before election day. Run for Something and similar organizations help make this process more accessible and manageable for those interested in making a difference in their communities.

    • Local Politics: Making a Difference Beyond the MainstreamGetting involved in local politics through roles like school boards, city councils, library boards, and mosquito abatement districts can have a significant impact on communities and serve as stepping stones for future political careers. Anyone can make a difference, regardless of background or experience.

      There are numerous political positions beyond the commonly known ones like president or governor, and these lesser-known roles can have a significant impact on communities. School boards, city councils, library boards, and even mosquito abatement districts are examples of such positions. These roles may not be as expensive, intimidating, or time-consuming as one might think, and they can serve as stepping stones for future political careers. Moreover, the stereotype of a typical politician is being challenged as more diverse individuals from various backgrounds are running for office. These individuals come from different professions, education levels, and experiences, proving that anyone can make a difference in their community by getting involved in local politics.

    • Being authentic and adaptable in politicsSuccessful political candidates need authenticity, adaptability, and a strong work ethic. Voters forgive past mistakes if candidates are honest and open to feedback.

      Successful political candidates require a combination of inherent skills, adaptability, and authenticity. Candidates should be open to feedback, willing to learn, and able to separate constructive criticism from hateful comments. While it's essential to have a strong work ethic and be willing to be vulnerable, extroversion, public speaking skills, or policy expertise are not absolute requirements. Voters are generally forgiving of past mistakes if candidates are honest and authentic about their experiences and how they've learned from them. School board races, while not cheap, are still affordable compared to larger campaigns. Candidates should remember they are not fronting the money themselves and should ask their network for support. The key is to be honest, authentic, and dedicated to serving the community.

    • Fundraising for local campaigns: Make a difference and ask for supportFundraising for local campaigns can be uncomfortable, but the yeses you receive remind you that people believe in your cause. Don't be discouraged by rejections, as the process can push issues forward and hold incumbents accountable.

      Fundraising for local campaigns is an opportunity to make a difference in your community and a chance to ask for support from those around you. It can be an uncomfortable experience, but the yeses you receive are powerful reminders that people believe in your cause. Even if you lose an election, the experience can be valuable in building resiliency and galvanizing your community. Remember, it's not personal and people's relationship with their money and politics can be complex. Keep putting yourself out there, and don't be discouraged by rejections. The process of campaigning, whether you win or lose, can push issues and debates forward and hold incumbents or opposition accountable.

    • Engaging in local politics leads to meaningful connections and experiencesGetting involved in local politics can result in personal victories, building relationships with community leaders, and making a significant impact due to the smaller scale, providing a sense of satisfaction from tangible results.

      Getting involved in local politics can lead to meaningful connections and experiences that may not be possible in the realm of national politics. These local engagements can result in personal victories, the opportunity to build relationships with community leaders, and the ability to make a significant impact due to the smaller scale. As highlighted in the podcast conversations, even candidates from underrepresented groups like trans individuals can have impactful interactions with their neighbors, creating a sense of love for their community. Engaging in local politics also provides a sense of satisfaction from seeing the tangible results of one's efforts, making it a more sustainable and rewarding experience overall.

    • Focusing on what you can do for your communityTo build a successful campaign, focus on specific actions you can take to address local issues and deliver for voters, rather than getting swept up in national politics.

      When considering running for office, it's essential to focus on what you can do for your community with the position, rather than just why you want to win. This requires honest introspection and understanding the limitations of your power. By identifying the issue that motivates you and finding specific actions you can take to address it at a local level, you can make a meaningful impact and build a successful campaign. However, it's crucial to avoid getting swept up in national politics and ensure that your focus remains on the unique needs and concerns of your community. This means being reflective and representative of the people you aim to represent, rather than trying to replicate national debates or issues at a local level. Ultimately, by focusing on what you can deliver for voters, you'll be able to tell a compelling story and make a positive difference in your community.

    • Personal relationships key to voter engagementBuilding genuine connections with voters through local issues can help win over votes and create a more connected political climate.

      Building personal relationships between candidates and voters is the most effective way to engage and turn out voters. This was highlighted by the story of a young Muslim woman named Sadia Afzal, who knocked on doors in a Chicago suburb and managed to win over an older white man's vote through a genuine conversation about local issues. This personal touch can help break through the nationalization of political conversations and create a more connected political climate. It's not a guaranteed method, but it's a more effective alternative to not trying at all. This approach is not limited to Democrats or young progressives; anyone who values democracy and free and fair elections should consider running for office at every level, regardless of political affiliations. Organizations exist to support and help candidates get on the ballot and win. Building sustainable democratic power is crucial, and having Republicans who believe in elections should be a priority, especially in areas where Democrats may be naturally disadvantaged.

    • Empowering Young, Underrepresented CandidatesRun For Something supports candidates under 40 to bring fresh perspectives and experiences to politics, addressing the lack of representation of young people in government and creating a more reflective democracy.

      Representation matters in politics, and organizations like Run For Something prioritize young, underrepresented candidates to bring new perspectives and experiences to the table. While experience and age can provide valuable insights, the lack of representation of young people in government, particularly millennials and Gen Z, leads to a skewed understanding of issues affecting these generations. For instance, young people's experiences with housing, education, and student loans differ significantly from those who have had more time to accumulate wealth and assets. Run For Something's focus on candidates under 40 aims to address this imbalance and create a more reflective democracy. Additionally, the organization recognizes the importance of engaging with individuals across the political spectrum, as long as they support democratic values and truth.

    • Understanding the experiences of young politiciansExplore RunForWhat.com for political opportunities, read 'The Heart Principle', 'Olga Dies Dreaming', and 'Let's Get Physical' for inspiration

      Understanding the lived experiences of young people, particularly Democrats, is crucial for effective governance. Young politicians, often women, people of color, and LGBTQIA+ individuals, bring fresh perspectives and have achieved significant progress in various areas. For instance, they have ended single-family zoning in Berkeley, California, and established student loan debt caucuses in state legislatures. To encourage more young people to run for office, Amanda Litman suggests using RunForWhat.com to explore available positions in your area. As for recommended reads, she suggests "The Heart Principle" by Helen Wong for a romantic and relaxing escape, "Olga Dies Dreaming" by Xochitl Gonzalez for a thought-provoking blend of romance, politics, and New York life, and "Let's Get Physical" by Daniel Friedman for an engaging exploration of women's history and body ownership.

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    A.I.-generated art has flooded the internet, and a lot of it is derivative, even boring or offensive. But what could it look like for artists to collaborate with A.I. systems in making art that is actually generative, challenging, transcendent?

    Holly Herndon offered one answer with her 2019 album “PROTO.” Along with Mathew Dryhurst and the programmer Jules LaPlace, she built an A.I. called “Spawn” trained on human voices that adds an uncanny yet oddly personal layer to the music. Beyond her music and visual art, Herndon is trying to solve a problem that many creative people are encountering as A.I. becomes more prominent: How do you encourage experimentation without stealing others’ work to train A.I. models? Along with Dryhurst, Jordan Meyer and Patrick Hoepner, she co-founded Spawning, a company figuring out how to allow artists — and all of us creating content on the internet — to “consent” to our work being used as training data.

    In this conversation, we discuss how Herndon collaborated with a human chorus and her “A.I. baby,” Spawn, on “PROTO”; how A.I. voice imitators grew out of electronic music and other musical genres; why Herndon prefers the term “collective intelligence” to “artificial intelligence”; why an “opt-in” model could help us retain more control of our work as A.I. trawls the internet for data; and much more.

    Mentioned:

    Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt” by Holly Herndon

    xhairymutantx” by Holly Herndon and Mat Dryhurst, for the Whitney Museum of Art

    Fade” by Holly Herndon

    Swim” by Holly Herndon

    Jolene” by Holly Herndon and Holly+

    Movement” by Holly Herndon

    Chorus” by Holly Herndon

    Godmother” by Holly Herndon

    The Precision of Infinity” by Jlin and Philip Glass

    Holly+

    Book Recommendations:

    Intelligence and Spirit by Reza Negarestani

    Children of Time by Adrian Tchaikovsky

    Plurality by E. Glen Weyl, Audrey Tang and ⿻ Community

    Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.

    You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.

    This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Annie Galvin. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. Our senior editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Rollin Hu, Elias Isquith and Kristin Lin. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. And special thanks to Sonia Herrero and Jack Hamilton.

    The Ezra Klein Show
    enMay 24, 2024

    A Conservative Futurist and a Supply-Side Liberal Walk Into a Podcast …

    A Conservative Futurist and a Supply-Side Liberal Walk Into a Podcast …

    “The Jetsons” premiered in 1962. And based on the internal math of the show, George Jetson, the dad, was born in 2022. He’d be a toddler right now. And we are so far away from the world that show imagined. There were a lot of future-trippers in the 1960s, and most of them would be pretty disappointed by how that future turned out.

    So what happened? Why didn’t we build that future?

    The answer, I think, lies in the 1970s. I’ve been spending a lot of time studying that decade in my work, trying to understand why America is so bad at building today. And James Pethokoukis has also spent a lot of time looking at the 1970s, in his work trying to understand why America is less innovative today than it was in the postwar decades. So Pethokoukis and I are asking similar questions, and circling the same time period, but from very different ideological vantages.

    Pethokoukis is a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, and author of the book “The Conservative Futurist: How to Create the Sci-Fi World We Were Promised.” He also writes a newsletter called Faster, Please! “The two screamingly obvious things that we stopped doing is we stopped spending on science, research and development the way we did in the 1960s,” he tells me, “and we began to regulate our economy as if regulation would have no impact on innovation.”

    In this conversation, we debate why the ’70s were such an inflection point; whether this slowdown phenomenon is just something that happens as countries get wealthier; and what the government’s role should be in supporting and regulating emerging technologies like A.I.

    Mentioned:

    U.S. Infrastructure: 1929-2017” by Ray C. Fair

    Book Recommendations

    Why Information Grows by Cesar Hidalgo

    The Expanse series by James S.A. Corey

    The American Dream Is Not Dead by Michael R. Strain

    Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.

    You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.

    This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. Our senior editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Annie Galvin, Elias Isquith and Kristin Lin. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. And special thanks to Sonia Herrero.

    The Ezra Klein Show
    enMay 21, 2024

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    Resources:

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    Learn more about Seattle’s Universal Paid Family & Medical Leave plan here: https://www.seattle.gov/council/meet-the-council/lorena-gonz%C3%A1lez/universal-paid-family-and-medical-leave 

    Get a recent update on the eviction moratorium situation here: https://southseattleemerald.com/2021/03/15/durkan-extends-eviction-moratorium-as-local-state-leaders-consider-further-protections/ 

    Read the South Seattle Emerald’s conversation with Council President González here: https://southseattleemerald.com/2021/02/03/pledging-a-pathway-to-shared-prosperity-seattle-councilmember-lorena-gonzalez-announces-run-for-mayor/ 

     

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    Today, we are joined by Seattle City Council president and mayoral candidate, Lorena González. Thank you so much for joining us today.

    Councilmember Lorena González: [00:01:01] Thanks for having me, Crystal.

    Crystal Fincher: [00:01:03] Well, this is a really exciting time, and I guess I just wanted to start out by, what motivated you to want to run for mayor after dealing with everything you've dealt with on the Council?

    Councilmember Lorena González: [00:01:16] Well, that's a great question. I think I'm really motivated to run for mayor because I've never been one to back down from a challenge. And I see that there are several really important challenges facing my neighbors, facing my own family here in this city that I love, and I think that I am the person best suited and best positioned to help bring us all back together - to help us identify consensus, to put the negativity behind us and be focused on the solutions that we need to put into place as we look towards brighter days. That include coming out of this pandemic, that include working on economic recovery that is equitable, and on continuing to build on the work in this civil rights moment to address issues related to policing, its impacts on Black and Brown folks, and to continue the hard work around accountability and reform, which is something that I have dedicated my entire professional career to.

    Crystal Fincher: [00:02:33] Certainly, Seattle is one of the few departments that has actually successfully reduced funding of the police department. Certainly, there are those who want to go much further. So, I guess, starting there, do you plan to go further? And how do you plan to put into policy the demands and changes that are being asked for in the community?

    Councilmember Lorena González: [00:02:58] Yeah. Last year, in one budget cycle, we were able to achieve, in combination with what the mayor proposed in cuts, about an 18% reduction in the Seattle Police Department's budget. That is, of course, historic because there has never been a single year in the history of the Seattle Police Department in which they saw budget reductions. So, last year was the first time we did that. It was at about 18%, and I'm proud of that work. I'm proud of the fact that we worked with community partners to identify ways to responsibly take a scalpel approach and reduce the Seattle Police Department's budget, while also very importantly finding $30 million worth of investments that are going to go directly into community safety investments through a participatory budgeting process. And just this week, in the Public Safety and Human Services Committee, I was proud to vote in favor of advancing a $10 million new investment in community safety initiatives that, again, are going to build up those alternative systems to a law enforcement response.

    And so, for me, as mayor, I want to continue to work with City Council on identifying how to get our police department back to core law enforcement functions - how do we identify functions that the police department should not be doing, things like mental health services, behavioral health responses, crisis intervention. Those are things that we need to urgently identify, and develop a plan to transfer out of the police department, and to allocate to different systems that are much better suited to do that work. And in the meantime, we need to continue to increase and implement our investments in these community safety initiatives to make sure that we're building equitable community safety for everyone in our city.

    Crystal Fincher: [00:05:07] Do you think there is the opportunity to have further, I guess, modifications in patrol headcount and the composition of SPD? What would be the plan that you're putting forward, and how do you see it being implemented?

    Councilmember Lorena González: [00:05:26] Again, I think that doing a functional analysis to, again, evaluate which functions the police department is currently doing that would be more appropriately dealt with a different system is part and parcel of the plan. And we have to do that in a way that allows us to scale down on law enforcement responses, while also scaling up our other alternative response systems to people who are in crisis and who would be better served by non-law enforcement forward plan. And so, I think, for me, there is a world in which that functional analysis will lead us to the conclusion that we can do with less patrol officers, but that also relies on a strong commitment to implement and advance investments in these community safety-based initiatives that we know work and that will do better at keeping us all safe in our communities, particularly BIPOC community members.

    Crystal Fincher: [00:06:39] And another element that has certainly been talked about is the SPOG contract, and that influencing so much around accountability, and that contract is going to be negotiated this coming year. City Attorney Pete Holmes is saying that probably won't be negotiated until after the mayor is elected. So, what would be your approach, and what types of changes would you be wanting to see in that contract?

    Councilmember Lorena González: [00:07:10] In that contract, we need to get back to the Police Accountability Ordinance that I was the prime sponsor on, and that was unanimously passed in 2017. That is a really important priority for me now, as the council president, who sits on the Labor Relations Policy Committee and is currently looking at these issues. And, as mayor, it would be my responsibility and my commitment - to saying that we're going to work closely with community partners, and to make sure that we are re-instituting many of the policy wins that we had through the Police Accountability Ordinance. And I'll tell you, for me, the priority really is issues related to how I believe this police guild abuses the arbitration process in discipline issues, how we have allowed for lesser transparency as it relates to discipline matters, and making sure that ultimately at the end of the day, we need to have a contract that is going to inspire, not damage the trust of the public.

    And that means more transparency into these proceedings. It means faster discipline processes, and it means that when a chief does decide to fire or discipline an officer, that we are in the best position to uphold that discipline, as opposed to having it undercut and undermined by some private third-party arbitrator in a room that is closed off to the public and that none of us have an idea of what actually transpired in that room. That is really damaging to our trust into our system of policing, and we cannot continue to tolerate that kind of a system.

    Crystal Fincher: [00:09:14] Yeah, and I think a lot of people are going to be excited to hear you definitely lead with that 2017 Accountability Ordinance, which a lot of people are viewing as the standard to start with for a contract, and especially when it's so consequential for all of the other issues that we're talking about, in terms of keeping the community safe and making sure there is accountability. That seems critical. And, I guess, overall, the relationship between the Council and the mayor has been contentious at times, some might call it unproductive. A lot of people have viewed just the stances that the mayor has taken, probably not as favorably, in terms of being as proactive and addressing the critical needs that have become apparent through the pandemic. I guess, as you look at the past couple years, how would you go about changing the way you approach the relationship with the Council, and how do you think that is going to be visibly different in terms of results for Seattle residents?

    Councilmember Lorena González: [00:10:28] I'm really proud of the relationship I have with my colleagues. Even in moments in which I have disagreed about a policy issue, I have been willing to show up in the conversation to talk through that issue, and to come up with a consensus agreement around what we can do. And I am really proud of the working relationships and with the personal relationships that I have with the current City Council. By far and large, this will be the Council - the Council I belong to now is the Council I will work with as mayor if I'm elected. And I think that that is of great value to our city and to our governance. I will understand deeply how these council members work because I've been in the trenches with them.

    There is an inherent baked-in opportunity for us to trust each other and to use our working relationship and our longstanding personal relationships - to stay focused on what the problems in the city are and on the solutions that our constituents need to be able to thrive, and to be able to succeed, and to be able to have shared prosperity. And to stay focused on that, and not be focused on personality differences or stylistic differences, I think, is going to allow us all as elected leaders in this city to show the city how we can and are true leaders, and how we will continue to make sure that Seattle is considered the progressive leader in the country on policies and issues that our constituents want us desperately to be focused on and solve for.

    Crystal Fincher: [00:12:21] Yeah. I feel like that's something that a lot of people have been frustrated about - that there is the will among voters in Seattle. Certainly, people without homes, people without shelter, has been a major problem, continues to be, and for as much conversation as there's been around that, for as much rhetoric, we have not made the progress that we need to. And I think people are really eager for someone to come in, not just with a plan, but with the ability to get it implemented in a way that is visible, and that actually gets people into shelter immediately and to stable permanent housing ultimately. How do you feel you are better positioned to do that than the other candidates in the race?

    Councilmember Lorena González: [00:13:10] I think plans are only as good as your ability to get them done, and I know how to get things done. And I've proven that through my record on City Council. When I was first elected in 2015, my first priority in 2016 was to fight for paid family and medical leave for everyone in the City of Seattle. And that was a goal and a commitment I made as a first-time candidate, knowing that we had a family leave program at the state that had never been funded. And so, for 10 years, this fight had been going on, about how do we get paid family leave. 

    Well, I got to work. I focused all of my office resources on that issue. I met with over a hundred business owners to hear from them what their operational concerns would be with a paid family medical leave program in Seattle. I met with working family organizations, I met with labor, and pushed out a proposal based on that stakeholder process to advocate for a progressive paid family medical leave policy at the City. And, to me, it was important to take that position as a city and to say, "Look, this is something that can work. And if the state isn't going to take action, we are ready, willing, and able to do it right here in the City of Seattle. We will go it alone if we need to." That's the kind of work that I have been doing for the last seven years. And it's the kind of work I want to take to scale on the issues that are most important to us, including homelessness. And I am ready to prioritize those big ideas, and roll up my sleeves, get in the trenches, and deliver for all of us.

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    Certainly, people are trying to evaluate, "Okay, everyone's saying they can get it done," but there are a lot of ideas coming from within the community and, I think, more of a priority placed right now on making sure community is included in those solutions. But there is always the challenge of taking, identifying a need, and people understanding that this is a problem and something needs to get done - and turning that into policy that can be implemented in a way that's helpful, that people can feel on the ground, and that also can withstand legal scrutiny, the pushback from people who just oppose everything happening. How do you negotiate that in this environment? Do you feel like you are uniquely able to do that, and how do you negotiate between community demanding something on one side, and the business community saying, "Well, we're going to oppose you if you move forward, and we're taking you to court"?

    Councilmember Lorena González: [00:16:31] Yeah. I know a thing or two about all of that - that you're talking about in your question. This is exactly what I have experienced over the last six or seven years. I would say this. First and foremost, it's about building coalitions. It's about giving people an opportunity to help us build the table. Not just a seat at the table, but let's build this table together. And sometimes, that means bringing people to the table who disagree with each other and who may be at polar opposites of a particular issue. But I'm a big believer in making sure that we are talking to all different perspectives. But that is with the understanding that we have a North Star, that we want a particular outcome.

    My philosophy is we're not inviting people to the table to say, "No," we're inviting people to the table to pave the path towards "Yes," towards progress. How do we get there? What do we need to do to get there? And that doesn't mean that we're going to agree a hundred percent of the time on the way there, but a hundred percent agreement isn't the goal. The goal is to end homelessness. The goal is to have shared prosperity. The goal is make sure that people of color aren't gentrified in massive rates from our city. That's the goal. And that's what we've got to stay focused on. And that might mean that we have to tolerate the speed bumps on the way there, but we can do that. I think we can do that.

    Crystal Fincher: [00:18:08] Well and you raise an important point about bringing voices to the table that haven't been there before. I think we're hearing from some of those, including the Black Brilliance Project, right now. But I also think among some of what people view as traditional establishment constituencies, or stakeholder groups, that there is more varied need and opinion within groups that a lot of times people portray as monolithic. Whether it's the business community - sometimes, we hear very different things from huge corporations like Amazon and small businesses, in terms of what they're saying they need and what's good for business in Seattle as a whole. And among workers - right now, we're having a conversation around being thankful and happy that a lot of frontline workers are getting increased hazard pay certainly and are eligible to get vaccinated. But looking at some people left behind, like restaurant workers, who are in a uniquely vulnerable position - where they're in situations where people are without masks some of the times and yet are not being prioritized for being vaccinated. 

    So, as you weigh these concerns, how do you navigate through listening to those voices? And you say the goal isn't consensus, so at some point in time, you do have to make people unhappy. And we've certainly heard, I think, over the last couple mayoral campaigns and candidates, that consensus has been talked about as its own goal and purpose. And the feeling that that has inhibited people actually moving forward to take action to get things done. How do you distill all of those different opinions and hear from enough people and then say, "All right, some people are going to be happy and some people aren't, but this is what we're going to do"?

    Councilmember Lorena González: [00:20:08] Yeah. Well, I think that's leadership, right? If you try to be all things to everyone, who are you in that point and time? Leaders, we are elected by the people of this city to make difficult decisions. And that is what I think our constituents expect us to do - is to make the difficult decisions, and to do it in a way that is principled and that is true to the progressive values of this city. And I think, for me, I come to this position and to this opportunity as somebody who has experienced a deep amount of poverty. I have very close family members who still experience generational poverty and trauma associated with that. And I also am married to my husband who is a restaurant worker and has been out of work for an entire year, and is not prioritized for a vaccine, and is about to go back to work in two weeks.

    I am in many ways still experiencing many of the systems that aren't designed for people of color, and for immigrants, and children of immigrants. And that is who I show up as every day in this work that I do on behalf of the people of the city. And, for me, we talk a lot about how representation and politics is important. It's important not just because of the physical presentation of an elected official. It's important because of who we are in our core. It's important because of who we have surrounded ourselves with, and because of the lived experiences, our life experiences in struggle and in overcoming those struggles and in being resilient.

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    Crystal Fincher: [00:23:19] And we have work to go on being a just and fair city. We are confronted visibly with the haves and have-nots. And with so many needs right now that have been exacerbated by the pandemic and the economic crisis that has followed for so many people, what do you feel residents in Seattle need most right now? And, I guess, what kind of relief are you looking to provide for people who just desperately need help right now? What is your message to them?

    Councilmember Lorena González: [00:23:55] Yeah, I heard a report this morning that there are, I think, approximately 10 million people across the country who are extraordinarily behind in their rent right now. And so we are facing an eviction moratorium cliff, where we are on a potential path of creating a direct funnel into a state of homelessness for thousands of people in our city, in our region, and across the country. I hear about that every day in my inbox, in our voicemails, and on social media. And so, for me, that means that we have a really important obligation to meet needs related to rental assistance. We have an opportunity to do that. We are set to receive about $239 million in federal funding right now that we can choose to prioritize, and that I believe we should prioritize towards rental assistance, and also mortgage assistance, particularly for BIPOC home owners and other low income folks in our city, to stave off that cliff and that consequence of housing instability for thousands of people in our city.

    So rental assistance is of top priority. I believe this will continue to be a need into the next several years. And so we're going to have to be very intentional about prioritizing the limited resources we have towards rental assistance, and continue to advocate for the federal government and the state government to give us direct access to those dollars to support those families. That's a massive deal.

    The second thing I want to mention is, as it relates to COVID and vaccinations, and our unhoused population. Vaccinations, delivering vaccinations to us all is been challenging because of supply. Delivering vaccinations to people who don't have a home currently is even more challenging and difficult. Even if we can get them a first vaccination, it requires us to be very organized to be able to get them that second vaccination three weeks later. So I believe that the issues related to the deadly impacts and effects of COVID on our unhoused population will continue well into next year. And we have to be focused on scaling up programs that allow for single room occupancy to address the COVID-19 realities amongst people experiencing homelessness, who are particularly vulnerable to this deadly virus. And so those are two really important things that I think we need to be just laser focused on over the next couple of years.

    Crystal Fincher: [00:27:15] Gotcha. And we're nearing our time here, but in the couple minutes that we have left, certainly, among political consultants and people who are in politics, and especially who are working in politics and policy - campaigns aren't exactly the best job interview for the role of governing. And there are certainly spectacles, but the skills that are on display with campaigning aren't necessarily the same skills that you use in governing. I guess, as you go through this process, and as voters are trying to evaluate the maze of issues and candidates, and we have an increasingly crowded field for mayor, what do you think is the lens that people should be viewing this race through and making this decision through?

    Councilmember Lorena González: [00:28:10] I think this election is going to provide us, the voters, with clear choices. And I think we have an option to decide whether we want to continue to be a progressive, innovative city that centers our policies and our efforts on protecting the most vulnerable, on creating pathways to shared prosperity, again, through a progressive lens. Or we're going to be a city that chooses someone who is more interested in maintaining the status quo of business as usual. And, for me, the choice is clear. That right now we have a historic opportunity to do things radically different in a way that really transforms our economy to make it equitable, and to really make sure that we are focused on saying we are not going back to the old normal. There is a new normal, and that new normal has got to be one that is just, one that is equitable, and one that acts with the sense of urgency that this moment calls upon us to do.

    And, for me, I think voters need to be focused on people's track record on what has been accomplished and what still needs to be done. I believe I have a very strong record and one that I want to build on as mayor of this city. And I'm excited to get out there and to continue to make my case to the voters of this beautiful city that I love.

    Crystal Fincher: [00:30:03] I thank you for taking the time to speak with us today. Certainly are eager to see how this entire race unfolds and really having a constructive dialogue. 

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