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    She Can't Stop Going Into Credit Card Debt

    enJune 25, 2023

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    • Navigating the job market with flexibility and networkingBe adaptable and leverage personal connections to open doors to new opportunities in the job market.

      Flexibility and networking are key in navigating the job market, especially in smaller businesses. Jillian, an actress and copywriter from San Antonio, Texas, shared her experience of transitioning from a social media assistant role to a copywriter position in a THC company. She mentioned that she got the job through a friend's recommendation and that she's been in the position for nearly a year and a half. Jillian also shared that she's earned a raise but is looking to negotiate for more due to the fluctuating nature of her role. However, she expressed her desire to focus solely on acting, making music, and copywriting in the future. Despite the uncertainty of her current role and income, Jillian emphasized the importance of being adaptable and leveraging personal connections to open doors to new opportunities.

    • Acting income inconsistency leads to debtInconsistent income and overspending can result in debt, emphasizing the importance of budgeting and being aware of income and expenses.

      Living off inconsistent income and relying on credit cards for expenses can lead to unexpected debt. The individual in this conversation shared their experience of making anywhere from $1.50 to $500 a week from acting gigs, and during a break from gigs, they realized they couldn't sustain their lifestyle. They attributed their debt to frivolous spending and not sticking to a budget. They started budgeting again but were still in the process of adjusting their habits. The conversation also touched on the importance of being aware of income and expenses and the potential confusion that can come from having multiple accounts.

    • Understanding the Role of Different Savings AccountsRe-evaluate budget, set clear goals, and reduce unnecessary expenses to effectively manage different savings accounts for emergencies, long-term goals, and everyday spending.

      The individual in this conversation needs to establish a clear understanding of the purpose and use of their different savings accounts. They expressed confusion between using checking accounts for everyday spending and savings accounts for emergencies or long-term goals. The conversation also revealed that they had been withdrawing money from their supposed emergency fund to pay off debts, which is not an effective use of emergency funds. Additionally, they mentioned excessive spending on non-essential items, which could be contributing to their financial concerns. To improve their financial situation, they should consider re-evaluating their budget, setting clear goals for each account, and focusing on reducing unnecessary expenses.

    • Struggling with excessive spendingReflect on spending habits, find cost-effective alternatives to curb unnecessary expenses and avoid accumulating debt.

      The speaker had a difficult spending habit during a particular month, leading to excessive out-of-pocket expenses and withdrawals from savings. They went out to eat frequently, justifying it with various excuses such as a broken fridge and a transition period. However, upon reflection, they realized they hadn't truly changed their spending habits and could have saved money by opting for cheaper alternatives like grocery shopping, having meals at home, or spending time with friends without incurring additional costs. The excessive spending left them with a significant credit card debt, which they needed to address. The discussion highlights the importance of being mindful of spending habits and finding cost-effective alternatives to curb unnecessary expenses.

    • Struggling with High-Interest Debt and Prioritizing ExpensesIndividual is dealing with financial strain due to high-interest debt on multiple credit cards. They've transferred balances to take advantage of 0% interest rates but still find it hard to make progress. Prioritizing expenses, like voice lessons and waxing, is a challenge while trying to eliminate debt and save.

      The individual in this conversation is dealing with high-interest debt on multiple credit cards, which is causing significant financial strain. They have recently done a balance transfer to take advantage of 0% interest rates, but they are still struggling to make progress in paying off the debt. They also have recurring expenses for things like voice lessons and waxing that they want to keep in their budget, but are finding it difficult to do so given their current financial situation. It's clear that they are feeling overwhelmed and are seeking advice on how to better manage their money. The ultimate goal is to eliminate debt and build up savings, but in the meantime, they are trying to find ways to prioritize and make room for expenses that are important to them.

    • Struggling with High-Interest DebtExplore career-building resources, create a budget, prioritize debt repayment, and cut unnecessary expenses to tackle high-interest debt while pursuing education for career advancement.

      The 2021 Toyota Corolla owner, who is aiming to be a copywriter and eventually an actress or musician, is struggling with debt from a Discover card with a high interest rate of 27.24%. Despite having a relatively low car payment of $158 per month and living with parents to save on rent, the debt payment is a significant burden. To improve the financial situation, it's recommended to explore resources like career-building courses, create a budget, and prioritize debt repayment over unnecessary expenses until the debt is paid off. Additionally, the individual's goal to invest in education for career advancement is another financial priority.

    • Managing Credit Card Debt and Building Financial DisciplineFocus on paying off credit card debts, cut up cards to prevent further spending, build an emergency fund, use a budget, reintroduce credit cards after financial responsibility, transfer recurring charges to checking account, and avoid using credit cards.

      The discussion revolved around the importance of financial discipline and eliminating credit card debt. The individual was encouraged to pay off their existing credit card debts and cut up their cards to prevent further spending. They were advised to focus on building an emergency fund and using a budget to manage their expenses effectively. The use of credit cards was suggested to be reintroduced only after demonstrating financial responsibility for a significant period. The individual was also advised to transfer recurring charges to their checking account and stop using credit cards altogether. The conversation highlighted the importance of understanding personal finances and making informed decisions to improve one's financial situation.

    • Creating an Emergency Fund for Financial StabilityTo build an emergency fund, create a budget, prioritize necessities, allocate extra income, and consider increasing income through a new job or certification program. Aim for a monthly income of $3,000 after taxes to start.

      Having an emergency fund is crucial for financial stability. Without it, one might find themselves in a cycle of debt, relying on credit cards or other unsustainable solutions. To build an emergency fund, it's important to create a budget, prioritize necessities, and allocate any extra income towards savings. However, increasing income through a full-time job or certification program may be necessary to meet financial goals and pay off debts in a reasonable timeframe. In this situation, a minimum income of $3,000 a month, after taxes, was suggested as a starting point. This might involve finding a new job, getting certified, or seeking help from a partner. The ultimate goal is to achieve financial security and independence.

    • Prioritize earning and reducing expenses for financial stabilityEarn more through a full-time job and part-time work, pay off debts, save a significant portion of income, and limit unnecessary expenses to build an emergency fund and achieve financial stability.

      To build an emergency fund and achieve financial stability, it's essential to prioritize earning more income and reducing expenses. Aim for a full-time job with a decent salary, and if necessary, take on additional flexible part-time work. Pay off debts as quickly as possible, and allocate a significant portion of your income towards savings. Be consistent with your budgeting, and limit unnecessary expenses. The goal is to reach an emergency fund of $7,000 as soon as possible, allowing for more financial freedom and opportunities in the future.

    • Focus on increasing income, paying off debts, and savingTo build an emergency fund and become debt-free, focus on increasing income, paying off high-interest debts, and saving a significant portion of earnings. This may involve working multiple jobs, cutting expenses, and setting aside funds for taxes.

      To quickly build an emergency fund and become debt-free, an individual should focus on increasing their income, paying off debts, and saving a significant portion of their earnings. This may involve working multiple jobs, cutting expenses, and setting aside funds for taxes. While it may require some sacrifice and hard work in the short term, the long-term benefits of financial stability and freedom are worth the effort. Additionally, it's important to prioritize high-interest debts and address them as soon as possible to improve overall financial health. Remember, everything could always be worse, so it's important to stay focused on your financial goals and make the most of your resources.

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      • Take them out of your wallet if you can.
      • Forget chasing credit card points - it isn’t worth the interest and the larger minimum payment 
      • Unlink cards to convenience apps like Uber and DoorDash
        • Chase Sapphire Preferred gives you DashPass, the membership program to DoorDash. While this may help you reduce fees, remember that if you are ultimately going to pay interest then any deal can’t offset that!

      • There are cases where you have to use your credit card. Maybe you don’t have an emergency fund and putting something on your cards will be the difference between caring for a sick family member or not.
      • If you truly want to break the cycle, you need to also work towards an emergency fund

    • FOCUS ON BUILDING AN EMERGENCY FUND BEFORE AGGRESSIVELY PAYING DOWN DEBT 
      • This is the best way to break the debt cycle 
      • If you’ve heard the phrase “pay yourself first,” this is an example of that.
      • If you are constantly using your spare cash exclusively towards debt and something major comes up, you’ll have to rely on your credit cards
      • This can take time. Saving money is a grind, and that’s totally okay! 
      • Though you won’t earn a ton of interest, it's worth it to build this insurance policy to prevent you from using cards.
      • However, there are still ways to be mindful of the interest you’re paying - one is through the debt avalanche approach.

    • THE DEBT AVALANCHE APPROACH 
      • Tackle the highest interest debt first. If you have an extra $500 to put somewhere (and your emergency fund is fully funded), use that total amount and put it towards one debt, rather than spreading it across a few. This is mathematically the best way to pay down debt if you’re going to make additional payments. 
      • You may not like math, but you can use it to your advantage by paying down your highest interest rate debt first by putting extra money towards it. 
      • You can reduce your debt payments even further with a few tools - one I would consider a little tricky, which is debt settlement, and one I would consider more straightforward, which is balance transfer cards and personal loans. 
        • The Snowball Method is another option for paying down debt. Instead of working on the highest interest debt, extra payments are made to the smallest balance debt. This method works well for a lot of people. It comes down to knowing yourself and using whichever method works for you!

    • DEBT SETTLEMENT VS. DEBT MANAGEMENT 

    Debt Settlement

    • The pros: you can potentially reduce the amount of money you need to pay for your debts, and you can use the money you were spending on debt minimums to save for your emergency fund or make ends meet.
    • The cons: your creditors may not agree with debt settlement, your credit score will likely tank, and you could be charged more debt and fees.
    • This is also tricky because you can get in hot water if you choose to not pay your debt obligations to have more bargaining power in the settlement.
    • There are other somewhat shady companies that handle the debt settlement process for you. What they provide is nothing that you can’t do yourself. Always be careful and ask a lot of questions when looking into these companies. 
    • They’ll typically ask you to still make monthly payments that they save on your behalf so they can pay the reduced amount for you later.

    Debt Management 

    • In contrast with debt settlement companies and strategies, there are debt management nonprofits that work with your creditors on your behalf to help lower interest rates, lower fees, and sometimes monthly payments. 
    • They help you keep your credit from suffering if you’re struggling with your monthly payments and can work with you to create better cash management habits 
    • It’s important to do your research and ask questions. ‘Nonprofit’ does not mean they have your best interest in mind. At the end of the day, it is a corporate filing. 
    • They look at your full debt picture. If you have cards open, they require you to shut down your cards, keeping just one open. They have relationships with lenders and will go to them and negotiate the interest on your behalf. Instead of paying the lenders directly, the minimum payment goes to the nonprofit. Programs like this have advantages, but you can also do this on your own, though it takes some time and you might have to make a few rounds of phone calls. 
    • If you miss a payment, all bets are off. You cannot miss a payment. There is risk there, but that’s pretty much how it goes. 
    • There are other ways to lower your interest and / or your monthly payments. They are balance transfer cards and personal loans

    • BALANCE TRANSFER AND PERSONAL LOANS 
      • Balance transfer cards usually offer a 0% or lower APR, and you move the balance from one card onto this new one, giving you more time to pay down the debt. 
      • While helpful to reduce interest payments, this can enable you to spend more because you now have more available credit. 
      • Before consolidating, make sure to give yourself some time to get used to a new spending plan that is sustainable for your income. Knowing yourself and your habits is important. 
      • To find a list of BFF Approved Balance Transfer cards, check out this page
      • Nerdwallet is also a great resource when looking for cards. 
      • If you already have credit cards, there may be balance transfer options available, so make sure to check those out when you do your research.

    • INCREASE YOUR INCOME
      • This can come from getting a promotion, switching jobs, getting a second job, or starting a side hustle (with low to no startup costs). 
      • Earning more money is something Kadri encourages all of his clients to do. It’s easier said than done, but Trainers see it all the time with their clients. They’ll get a new job with a 40k salary increase or really advocate for themselves and get a raise in their current roles. 
      •  Think about all of your talents, expertise, and get creative when thinking about how you can make more money. 
      • Once you start making more money, be mindful of lifestyle creep. It’s important to know yourself and have a plan in place. 
      • Take a look at your expenses and ensure they’re helping you reach your debt repayment goals. When it comes to building wealth, look at both sides: increasing income and reducing expenses is the key.

    • REDUCE EXPENSES 
      • The first step, add up all of your fixed expenses, including debt minimums.
        How much is left over for your variable expenses, savings, and extra debt repayment?
      • There is a minimum you want to have for your variable expenses, especially in high cost of living areas. 
      • When Myriam makes financial plans, she aims to have at least $860 per month or $200 per week for variable expenses. The bare minimum for lower cost of living areas is about $530 per month or $125 per week. 
      • It can feel like a lot of sacrifice. You want to check in with yourself and ensure your physical and mental wellness is being taken care of. 
      • It’s easier said than done. There is only so much that can be cut. 
      • Closing the gap between your income and spending is the only way to truly break out of the debt cycle. It is a process and takes time. Be patient and find what works for you.

    • DON’T BE AFRAID TO CONSIDER BANKRUPTCY 
      • Bankruptcy gets a bad reputation, but it can be an amazing tool, especially if your debt to income ratio is 50% or above. 
      • A quick rundown on bankruptcy: it gives you a lot of protection. Your creditors cannot contact you, sue you, put liens on your property or garnish your wages. You can also sometimes be protected from any income tax penalties for the forgiven debt.
      • It is a tremendous tool to give yourself a clean slate. Once you have gone through the process, the debt is gone. 
      • It is a long process and can take months. While bankruptcy does not need to be scary, it should be taken seriously. You can only declare bankruptcy every ten years, so having a plan of action for once the debt is clear is incredibly important! 

    Martinis and Your Money Episodes about bankruptcy 

    From The Financially Free Blog: 

    THE BIG TAKEAWAY: 

    • Stop using your credit cards (if you can, and there are some situations where you temporarily have to)
    • Build your Emergency fund
    • Debt avalanche approach
    • Debt management vs settlement
    • Debt consolidation using tools like balance transfer cards and personal loans
    • Increasing your income
    • Reducing your expenses
    • Don’t be afraid to consider bankruptcy

    One of the newest programs at The Financial Gym is our Trainer on Demand, where you can schedule a call every month to chat with a Certified Financial Trainer. If you’re looking for someone to help you make a debt management plan and click this link to learn more

     

    MEET THE TRAINERS

    Kids and Finance with Randi and Eileen

    Kids and Finance with Randi and Eileen

    On this episode of Financially Naked: Stories from The Financial Gym, our host is Level 2 Certified Financial Trainer, Randi DeGraw, based in New Jersey. She is joined by one of her clients, Eileen, to sit down and talk about one of their favorite topics, teaching kids about good financial habits early on.

    Both Randi and Eileen have children. Eileen’s son, Sebastian, is nine years old and Randi has two kids. Harper who is four years old and JJ, who is six. Today, they discuss how and when to get started, books to read with your kids, and different tools you can use to get them excited about financial literacy.

     

    Podcast Notes

    • Children learn the most about money by observing their parents, especially if other discussions aren’t being had. 
    • Have intentional conversations and let them watch you. 
    • Eileen talks about her family dynamic growing up. One parent had a gambling addiction and the other had a spending addiction. She learned how to rack up credit card debt and ended up filing bankruptcy. After her divorce, she only had $347 to her name and had to figure out how to manage money quickly. 
    • This is a huge motivating factor in teaching her own son. She wants him to build a great relationship and habits with money, even before he starts working. The goal is to teach valuable lessons and set him up for success in adulthood. 
    • Money is a vital part of how we operate in the world. Teaching kids early isn’t about them being obsessed with money, just how to have a healthy relationship with it.

    WHERE TO GET STARTED

    • Start the conversation with money in general. Kids start learning about money in kindergarten or first grade, and you can build on what they learned with real coins at home. 
    • Get them involved and excited. Eileen and Sebastian built a money bank from a DIY Home Depot kit. There was wood, nails, and paint. He was so excited to build it. He also has a wallet to keep his cash organized. 
    • Read books about money together, there are great ones for kids.  
    • Teach them the concepts and allow them to make age appropriate decisions. The supermarket and dollar store are great places to start with young children. 
    • Sebastian got excited about money around age 8, though the smaller conversations started earlier. 
    • Letting kids spend their own money is one of the best learning tools. 
    • Make money a fun and enjoyable topic

    ALLOWANCE 

    • When Sebastian was young, the allowance started at $1 per week. We’d go to the dollar store and he was able to use the money he saved to buy what he wanted. 
    • A real allowance started at age 8 for Sebastian and it is a mix of cash and debit. Each Thursday is payday and they go over the spreadsheet together so he can see where the money goes. 
    • Eileen uses the app Greenlight and there are many great features! 
    • There are weekly chores for the base allowance, but opportunity to make extra cash doing extra chores such as vacuuming the car or helping rake leaves.

    WHAT EILEEN & SEBASTIAN FOCUS ON

    • They talk about savings goals: giving, sharing, and spending are all savings goals on the Greenlight card. 
    • When it comes time to take money out and spend it, Sebastian will look at the price and say, ‘That’s too expensive! I’m not buying that.’ He gets it! 
    • Compounding interest! They talk about investing and she opened a Fidelity account for Sebastian. Right now, she deposits $25 a month and will contribute until he starts working. Starting early is the key. 
    • The importance of not always trying to keep up with the Joneses 
    • He is 9 right now and he is currently saving for a car. The goal of this is to show him how these little steps over time make a huge difference. 
    • He sits with her when she updates her portfolio and they dive into investing then. 

     

    FUN STORIES 

    • Eileen jokes that Sebastian tells stories about being in school and knowing all the answers to the money questions. The teachers are always surprised! 
    • They did an Instagram live together where he asked to be interviewed. He loved it and wants to be partners in teaching others personal finance with his mom. 

     

    FINAL THOUGHTS 

    • Starting this process is all about setting time aside to do it. It can be hard to get started, but the habit is built over time. 
    • The best way to teach is through real life. Put the money in their hands. Talking and books are great, but they learn the most by actually doing it. 
    • There are always ways  to make it fun and enjoyable. Do what works for your family and your kid’s interests.  

     

    If you want to work with a trainer to improve your financial health or talk through teaching your children about money, book a complimentary consultation today!

    OTHER RESOURCES:
    Greenlight: An app designed to help parents teach kids about money
    Danny Dollar Millionaire Extraordinaire and the Lemonade Escapade - by Ty Allan Jackson 
    Rich Dad’s Escape from the Rat Race - Robert Kiyosaki 

     

    Connect With Eileen:

    Email: eileen@eileenjoy.com 

     

    Meet The Trainer

    Randi DeGraw, Level 2 Certified Financial Trainer