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    Side Effects of the 2021 Oscars (with Desmond Thorne)

    enApril 21, 2021

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    • The Oscars and Representation: A Complex HistoryDespite progress, the Oscars have a complicated history with representation and inclusion. Some award shows, like the SAG Awards and Critics Choice Awards, have more diverse voting bodies and are considered more important.

      The Oscars, despite being a significant part of pop culture, have a complicated history when it comes to representation and inclusion. Desmond Thorne, a film critic and host of Adventures in Black Cinema, joined the conversation to discuss this issue. He shared his experience of watching Precious in theaters and the lack of understanding and response from audiences. Thorne also noted that progress has been made, but there is still a long way to go. He mentioned that the Hollywood Foreign Press, which votes on the Golden Globes, has no black members, and questioned the importance and prestige of certain award shows. Thorne believes that the SAG Awards and Critics Choice Awards are more important as they tend to have a more diverse voting body. Overall, the conversation highlighted the importance of addressing diversity and representation in the film industry and beyond.

    • Independent film awards are more meaningful and authenticThe SAG Awards, Independent Spirit Awards, and Gotham Independent Awards are more representative and focus on diverse, critically acclaimed films, making the Oscars' recognition more significant.

      The SAG Awards and other independent film awards are more meaningful and representative than the Oscars due to their peer-voted nature and focus on diverse, critically acclaimed films. The speaker praises awards like the SAGs, Independent Spirit Awards, and Gotham Independent Awards for recognizing genuine talent and pushing boundaries in cinema. They also highlight the lack of quality in some Oscar-nominated films, such as Green Book from the previous year. The speaker trusts Desmond from the Adventures in Black Cinema podcast to provide well-rounded discussions about deserving Oscar films and snubs. Overall, the independent film awards are seen as more authentic and inclusive, making the Oscars' recognition more significant.

    • A film blending narrative and documentary styles with real-life nomadsNomadland, directed by Chloe Zhao, is a critically acclaimed film that authentically portrays the nomadic lifestyle through a compelling storyline, the director's previous work, and major stars, despite some criticisms.

      "Nomadland," directed by Chloe Zhao, is a unique and compelling film that merges narrative and documentary styles, featuring real-life individuals living as nomads in vans. The film's success can be attributed to its intriguing storyline, the acclaimed director's previous work, and the presence of major stars like Frances McDormand. Despite some criticisms regarding the director's background and potential exploitation, the film is generally well-received for its authentic portrayal of the nomadic lifestyle and the voices it amplifies. The complex relationship between commerce and creativity in filmmaking is a continuous topic of debate, but "Nomadland" is seen as an enlightening and thoughtful exploration rather than exploitative poverty porn.

    • Documentaries like 'Nomadland' and films like 'Minari' highlight underrepresented communities and provide historic representation in the film industry.'Nomadland' and 'Minari' showcase unique stories and create history by representing underrepresented communities in the film industry, offering authentic portrayals and historic milestones.

      The documentary "Nomadland" brought to light an unexpected community of Americans living out of vans and traveling for work, and it was groundbreaking for Chloé Zhao to become the first woman of color to win Best Director at the Academy Awards. However, it's essential to consider the impact these films have on the communities they portray. For instance, "Concrete Cowboy" may have amplified the stories of those featured, but it's unclear if any positive actions were taken to help them. As creatives, we write about what we know and what we want to learn more about, and it's crucial to do so in a responsible and thoughtful way. Another film that stood out was "Minari," a poignant story about a Korean family moving to Arkansas in the 1980s to start an agricultural life, featuring the first Asian American man, Steven Yeun, to be nominated for Best Actor. The film provides an honest portrayal of the Asian American immigrant experience, and Lee Isaac Chung's nomination for Best Director marked a historic moment for Asian representation in the industry.

    • The importance of subtlety in actingSubtle acting involves conveying complex emotions without grand gestures, showcasing the power of looks and actions between lines, and portraying opposites.

      Acting is not just about loud, dramatic scenes or saying the right words. It's about the subtlety, the looks, and the actions that happen between the lines. Actors are in their bodies the whole time, and the words are just a part of it. Subtlety is often overlooked in American entertainment, and it's fascinating to watch someone try to hold it together when they're falling apart. The best performances often come from actors who can convey complex emotions without resorting to grand gestures. The Oscar-winning film "Moonlight" is a great example of this, as it tackled heavy themes with subtlety and nuance. Another important aspect of acting is the ability to portray opposites, such as trying to hold back tears when you know you'll eventually break down. Overall, the best performances are those that resonate with the audience and reflect the zeitgeist of the time.

    • Representation in storytelling and the importance of authentic voicesThe importance of authentic representation in storytelling, especially for black writers and directors, was emphasized. Diverse films like 'Judas and the Black Messiah' and 'The Trial of the Chicago 7' were discussed, with concerns raised about the significance of originality and authenticity in award categories.

      Representation matters in storytelling, especially when it comes to black writers and directors telling their own stories. Prentice Penny, the showrunner of Insecure, emphasized the importance of authentic representation, expressing frustration over the "puppet show" feeling that can result when someone else tells our stories. This year's Oscar-nominated films include a diverse range, such as "Judas and the Black Messiah" and "The Trial of the Chicago 7," but the latter's nomination for Best Original Screenplay, despite good writing, raises questions about the importance of originality and authenticity in this category. While Aaron Sorkin's writing is undeniably good, the nomination might be more about name recognition than the most original story. The conversation also touched on the standout performances in "Judas and the Black Messiah," specifically Yahya Abdul-Mateen II's subtle portrayal of Bobby Seale.

    • Black American representation in Hollywood and the casting debateThe hierarchy in Hollywood prioritizes British black actors over American ones, impacting the authenticity of storytelling. Actors like Chiwetel Ejiofor and Daniel Kaluuya are talented, but the importance of black American actors being at the helm of their own stories is emphasized.

      The representation of black American narratives in Hollywood and the casting of actors in certain roles are topics of ongoing conversation and controversy. The speaker, a working actress, expresses her concern about the hierarchy that prioritizes British black actors over American ones and the impact on the authenticity of storytelling. She acknowledges the talent of actors like Chiwetel Ejiofor and Daniel Kaluuya but emphasizes the importance of black American actors being at the helm of their own stories. The line between who should play certain roles and the role of acting itself is a complex issue, and instances of white actors taking on roles meant for people of color have fueled the conversation. The speaker shares her own experience of being proposed for a role that was meant for a dark-skinned black woman, highlighting the importance of ensuring that actors are considered based on their authentic connection to the roles and stories they are meant to portray.

    • Representation of Black Actors in Hollywood: A Complex IssueBritish black actors often get recognized for portraying American historical figures, while American ones face fewer opportunities due to lack of education and recognition of black history in the US. More diverse stories are needed beyond 'black pain' narratives, and the FBI's role as an antagonist highlights systemic oppression.

      The representation of black actors in Hollywood, particularly in historical roles, raises complex issues. While British black actors are frequently nominated for portraying American historical figures, their American counterparts often face fewer opportunities. The lack of recognition and education about black history in the US contributes to this disparity. The film "Judas and the Black Messiah" is an example of a film that highlights the inner conflict between betrayal and messianic leadership, but some argue that there is a saturation of "black pain" movies in Hollywood. Instead, there is a need for more diverse stories that do not solely focus on suffering or betrayal. The FBI's role as the antagonist in many black historical narratives underscores the systemic oppression faced by black communities. Overall, the conversation around representation and recognition of black history in Hollywood is multifaceted and requires ongoing dialogue and action.

    • Exceptional performances from lesser-known actors, particularly black women, and unexpected filmsDominique Fishback, Dominique Thorne, Anthony Hopkins, Olivia Colman delivered standout performances in 'Judas and the Black Messiah' and 'The Father'. These films offered unique perspectives and left a lasting impact by shining a light on underrepresented stories and actors.

      This year's film industry showcased exceptional performances from lesser-known actors, particularly black women, and unexpected films that offered unique perspectives. For instance, "Judas and the Black Messiah" introduced standout performances by Dominique Fishback and Dominique Thorne. In "The Father," Anthony Hopkins delivered a powerful portrayal of a man experiencing dementia, while Olivia Colman provided emotional depth. These films, available on streaming platforms and in theaters, provided surprising empathy and understanding to their respective subjects, leaving a lasting impact. The industry's ability to shine a light on these stories and actors is a significant step forward in creating more representation and visibility.

    • Awards Season Recognizes Powerful Films and PerformancesSound of Metal explores hearing loss with Riz Ahmed's standout performance, while Crip Camp is a must-watch documentary on disability rights. Carey Mulligan shines in Promising Young Woman, making a mark on the awards scene.

      This awards season has seen a number of notable films and performances recognized, including "Sound of Metal" and "Crip Camp," which deal with important themes and feature standout acting. "Sound of Metal" follows a drummer's journey with hearing loss, with Riz Ahmed delivering a powerful performance. Paul Racy, who is also hard of hearing, shines as his counselor. "Crip Camp," a documentary about a disability camp leading to the ADA's ratification, is another must-watch on Netflix. Carey Mulligan's performance in "Promising Young Woman" is expected to win her an Oscar for her portrayal of a woman seeking justice. Despite some uncertainty in the voting process, the talent and impact of these films and actors have made a mark on the awards scene.

    • A Surprising Supporting Actor Nomination and Boundary-Pushing StorylineThe film 'Promising Young Woman' defied expectations with LaKeith Stanfield's nomination, unique storyline, and smart casting choices. It tackles sensitive topics with originality and innovation, setting it apart from traditional films.

      The film "Promising Young Woman" defied expectations with LaKeith Stanfield's surprising Supporting Actor nomination, and the film's unique storyline and casting choices pushed boundaries in addressing topics like assault and accountability. Carey Mulligan's character seeks revenge for a friend's suicide, targeting those who failed to act. The film features an impressive ensemble cast of charming actors known for playing good guys, adding an unexpected twist. The film's success lies in its original screenplay, smart casting, and handling of sensitive topics. Despite being labeled a white feminist story, Mulligan stays focused on her characters and their experiences. The film's innovative use of sound, script, and set design sets it apart from traditional films and TV shows, proving that the medium of storytelling is evolving.

    • The Importance of Cinematography, Sound, Casting, and Awards in Film and TVUnderstanding the unique requirements of film and television, including cinematography, sound, and casting, is crucial for success in both mediums. Acknowledgement through awards shows highlights their significance.

      Film and television are two distinct art forms, each requiring unique mastery. The discussion highlighted the importance of various aspects such as cinematography, sound, and casting in both mediums. The conversation also emphasized the significance of acknowledging these elements through awards shows. A particularly passionate point was made about the importance of casting directors and their role in bringing the right actors to roles, even when they may not initially seem like a perfect fit. The conversation concluded with the ongoing Oscars recognition of Chadwick Boseman's exceptional performances, despite the challenges of adapting plays to film and the static nature of filming in a single location.

    • Understanding the unsung heroes of filmmakingThe Oscars highlight the importance of technical categories like sound, production design, and screenplay, revealing the intricacies of filmmaking and expanding our industry knowledge.

      The Oscars, and award shows in general, are worth watching beyond just the glamour and recognition of actors. The technical categories, such as sound, production design, and screenplay, provide valuable insights into the intricacies of filmmaking. These categories often go unnoticed, but they are essential components of bringing a film to life. By tuning in, we can broaden our understanding of the entertainment industry and the various roles that contribute to storytelling. Moreover, it's essential for actors to be aware of these aspects as well, as they impact the continuity and editing process. The Oscars serve as a platform to acknowledge and celebrate the unsung heroes of filmmaking, and expanding our knowledge of these areas can open doors for potential involvement and influence.

    • Expanding your filmmaking knowledgeActors who understand filmmaking elements can make the job easier for crew, open new opportunities, and lead to more roles.

      Being an actor goes beyond just memorizing lines and delivering them on set. It's important to be aware of the various sounds and other elements happening around you, as they can significantly impact the production process. This not only makes the job easier for those behind the scenes but can also lead to more opportunities. Additionally, it's inspiring to see actors who wear multiple hats, like Emerald Fennell, who is nominated for three Oscars this year for her work on "Promising Young Woman," where she directed, wrote, and acted. Therefore, expanding your knowledge of filmmaking can open doors to new roles and experiences. So, keep learning, stay focused, and remember, "Let's all go to the movies."

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