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    A Top G.O.P. Pollster on Trump 2024, QAnon and What Republicans Really Want

    enMarch 26, 2021

    Podcast Summary

    • Republicans prioritize country's survival over policyA quarter of Republicans focus on policy, but half prioritize country's survival, driven by fear of losing cultural and economic power. This perspective shapes issues like religious freedom and cancel culture.

      According to Kristin Soltis Anderson, a Republican pollster and co-founder of Echelon Insights, only a quarter of Republicans believe that politics is about enacting good public policy. Instead, almost half of them prioritize ensuring the country's survival as they know it. This perspective is driven by a sense of siege and anxiety about losing cultural and economic power. For many Republicans, the assurance of the country's survival would mean the ability to practice their religion freely and hold their beliefs without interference from the government or other institutions. This perspective is reflected in the emphasis on issues like religious persecution and cancel culture, even as economic libertarianism may be less in vogue. Overall, Anderson's analysis suggests that the Republican Party values preserving their way of life above all else, and this belief is likely to shape the party's direction in the coming years.

    • Perceived power imbalance between Dems and RepublicansDemocrats focus on winning back voters and counterbalancing policies, while Republicans accept extreme candidates and value protection of their beliefs.

      There's a perceived power imbalance between Democrats and Republicans in both political and cultural spheres. Democrats feel they should have more political power given their influence in cultural spaces, while Republicans feel they have less cultural power despite their numbers. This dynamic has led to different reactions: Democrats responding with more extreme policies as a counterbalance, while Republicans are more willing to accept extreme candidates who "fight" against perceived threats from various cultural institutions. Democrats have shown a greater emphasis on winning back voters, while Republicans seem less focused on persuasion and expanding their coalition. The broken thermostat metaphor illustrates how these responses are driven by different perceived threats: Democrats reacting to government control, and Republicans reacting to perceived encroachment on their values from various cultural institutions.

    • Partisan divide on cultural issues and values hinders outreach and introspectionDespite significant differences in cultural values and political beliefs, meaningful dialogue between Democrats and Republicans is hindered by the Republican Party's response to losses and the rise of extremist figures, as well as disparities in news consumption and trust in information sources.

      The divide between Democrats and Republicans on cultural issues and values may be too vast for meaningful outreach and introspection. The Republican Party's response to recent political losses and the rise of extremist figures like Marjorie Taylor Greene hinders any potential self-reflection. Additionally, the sources of political information and the level of trust in that information differ significantly between the two parties. Republicans, particularly those without college degrees, are more likely to believe in conspiracy theories and consume less news overall. They may encounter such information through social media and word of mouth rather than from dedicated conservative news sources. A Pew study also found that most people consume news from a variety of sources or barely consume it at all. This highlights the importance of recognizing that highly engaged news consumers are not representative of the electorate as a whole.

    • Deep distrust of media among RepublicansRepublicans trust fewer news sources, view media as more concerned with their own interests, and are more likely to seek out alternative sources due to this distrust.

      The deep distrust of media among Republicans goes beyond partisan differences and is driven by a belief that media sources are more concerned with their own interests than providing accurate information. According to various studies, Republicans trust far fewer news sources than Democrats and are more likely to view media as being beholden to business and money, rather than serving the public interest. This distrust can lead Republicans to be skeptical of information from mainstream news sources and seek out alternative sources, potentially exposing them to conspiracy theories and misinformation. The sense that media is not looking out for their interests, but rather pursuing clicks and sensationalism, is a common belief among both Republicans and Democrats, but it seems to hold more weight for Republicans in shaping their views on media.

    • Media and Politics Impact on Vaccine Hesitancy Among RepublicansPolitical polarization and mistrust of institutions, fueled by conservative elites and ex-president Trump, contribute to vaccine hesitancy among Republicans, with around a third expressing reluctance compared to 11% of Democrats. Leaders' public display of getting vaccinated can help combat this trend and promote vaccine importance.

      The media's relationship with business models and political influences can impact public perception, as seen in the case of COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy among Republicans. Conservative elites' efforts to mistrust COVID reportage have led to vaccine skepticism, with around a third of Republicans expressing reluctance compared to 11% of Democrats. This skepticism is not new, as studies pre-COVID showed vaccine hesitancy among Republicans as well. However, a concerning factor is the belief among some that they don't need the vaccine because they're not worried about getting COVID. This cycle of mistrust, fueled by political polarization and distrust of institutions, has been exacerbated by the behavior of politicians like Donald Trump and the media's reaction to it. The media's perceived opposition to Trump and his supporters has further solidified this divide, creating an impression that institutions are against them. It's crucial for leaders, especially those with significant followings, to publicly get vaccinated to help combat vaccine hesitancy and promote the importance of protecting not only themselves but also others.

    • Media bias accusations in US politicsRepublicans want consistent media scrutiny, but perception of bias exists on both sides, influencing political polarization.

      The political climate in the United States has become increasingly polarized, with each side accusing the other of media bias. The speaker notes that during the Trump presidency, the media's coverage of Trump was intense and often negative, leading some Republicans to feel that the media was biased against their party. However, during the Biden presidency, some conservatives have pointed to perceived double standards in media coverage, such as the handling of Biden's stumble on the stairs of Air Force One compared to coverage of Trump's awkward moments. The speaker suggests that there is a desire among Republicans for consistent media scrutiny, regardless of which party is in power, but acknowledges that the media's coverage of political figures is complex and can be influenced by many factors. Ultimately, the speaker expresses skepticism that either side wants the media to be tough on their preferred candidate or party, and notes that the media's coverage of political figures is just one aspect of the larger issue of political polarization in the US.

    • Media bias perception and its impact on politician coverageRepublicans perceive more media bias against their party, favoring politicians who can balance fighting Democrats and working together in the 2024 primary, with Trump being a potential contender

      The media coverage of politicians, particularly those from different parties, can be influenced by perceived conflict and biases. Joe Biden's coverage is softer due to his avoidance of conflict, but Republicans express greater concern about media bias against their party. This concern drives their preference for politicians who won't back down in a fight with Democrats but can also work in a bipartisan way. The 2024 Republican primary may favor candidates who strike this balance between fighting and working together, with Donald Trump being one of the contenders due to his strong stance against Democrats and his ability to mobilize his base. However, it's important to remember that these preferences can shift as the political landscape evolves.

    • Power Struggle in the Republican Party: Trump vs DeSantisTrump maintains strong support among 43% of Republicans, but DeSantis leads in polls among Trump supporters, appealing to them with a more moderate governance approach. The divide between Trump supporters and those prioritizing the Republican Party is growing, setting up a significant primary contest.

      Donald Trump continues to hold significant power within the Republican Party, with approximately 43% of Republicans identifying as Trump supporters and expressing their intent to vote for him in a primary. However, if Trump were to exit the race, Ron DeSantis of Florida emerges as a strong contender, leading in polls among Republicans who identify as Trump supporters first. DeSantis, who rose to prominence as a Trumpist candidate, has since garnered support for his more moderate governance approach, particularly in areas like water quality and environmental protection. The divide between Trump supporters and those who prioritize the Republican Party first is becoming increasingly apparent, with DeSantis appealing to the former group and Mike Pence leading among the latter. Overall, the Republican primary landscape is shaping up to be a significant contest between these two prominent figures.

    • DeSantis' appeal as a potential GOP nominee tied to opposition to media scrutiny and handling of COVID-19DeSantis' opposition to media pressure and successful handling of COVID-19 have made him a favorite among Republican voters as a counterpoint to figures like Cuomo. His stance as a fighter against institutions resonates with the base.

      The appeal of Florida Governor Ron DeSantis as a potential Republican presidential nominee is linked to his perceived opposition to media scrutiny and his handling of the COVID-19 pandemic. DeSantis' stance against media pressure and his success in keeping Florida open during the pandemic have made him a favorite among Republican voters who see him as a successful counterpoint to figures like Andrew Cuomo. Additionally, DeSantis has positioned himself as a fighter against institutions, which resonates with the Republican base. However, it's unclear if DeSantis is the only Republican well-positioned to lead the party post-Trump, as other potential candidates like Josh Hawley and Tucker Carlson have yet to gain significant traction in polling. Issues like illegal immigration and police support remain top concerns for Republicans, and it remains to be seen who will emerge as a dominant voice on these topics in the Republican field.

    • The meaning of electability in politicsDemocrats emphasized moderation and reaching out to the center, while Republicans prioritized staying true to their base. Trump defied expectations by energizing his base and appealing to non-traditional voters, even without winning the popular vote.

      The concept of electability in politics is multifaceted and can mean different things to different groups within a political party. During the 2012 and 2016 elections, both Democrats and Republicans had intense debates about what it takes to be electable. While Democrats focused on moderation and reaching out to the political center, Republicans argued for staying true to their conservative base. Donald Trump, an unconventional candidate, challenged these assumptions by focusing on energizing his base and appealing to non-traditional voters. Despite losing the popular vote in the 2016 election and subsequently losing control of the White House, Senate, and House of Representatives, some Republicans still believe that Trump is the rightful winner and that his unapologetic, winning persona was a significant factor in his political success.

    • Republican Party's Challenge: Appealing to Low Education, Low Trust VotersThe Republican Party struggles to connect with voters who lack education and trust in institutions, crucial for Trump's victories, while maintaining polarization without driving opposition and expanding their coalition.

      The Republican Party is grappling with the challenge of appealing to voters with low education levels and trust in institutions, who are concentrated in electorally important states. These voters were instrumental in Donald Trump's electoral success in 2016 and came close to helping him win in 2020 despite his massive popular vote deficit. However, the party faces a dilemma: how to maintain the polarization around education and trust without driving opposition and expanding their coalition. Trust here refers to interpersonal trust, not trust in institutions. Pollsters have difficulty reaching these voters, contributing to an undercounting of their numbers. Trump's name ID and media presence were crucial in mobilizing these voters, and it remains unclear if other Republicans can replicate his success without his persona. The party's reliance on these voters is a double-edged sword: they may not turn out for anyone else with an "R" after their name, but they may not turn out for the party without Trump. Trump's approach to fighting was not just about conflict but also about entertainment and shamelessness, which may be hard for others to emulate. The electorate's inconsistent stance on fighting and bipartisanship adds to the complexity of the situation.

    • Voters value authentic leaders and economic issuesThe GOP can win back voters by focusing on economic issues and presenting an authentic vision for working class Americans, but must decouple from Trump era baggage.

      Voters are smarter than they're often given credit for and have a strong BS detector when it comes to identifying authentic leaders. The Trump era has potentially reoriented the GOP towards focusing on working class Americans, but the party must decouple itself from the baggage of the Trump era to effectively position itself as the party of normal people. The success of the American Rescue Plan, despite Biden's unpopularity among Republicans, shows that there is potential resonance in a message focused on economic issues and helping working class Americans. However, Republican elites seem unsure of how to navigate this new direction and have yet to effectively challenge the spending bill. Ultimately, the GOP must find a way to decouple from the Trump era and present a clear, authentic vision for working class Americans if they hope to win back the popular vote.

    • Republican Party's Internal Resistance to Economic PoliciesThe GOP faces resistance to larger economic policies due to fiscal concerns and taxpayer anxiety. Younger Republicans have varying views, particularly on climate change, systemic racism, and gender, but agree on immigration.

      The Republican Party faces internal resistance when it comes to implementing larger economic policies due to concerns about government spending and potential transfers of money from one person to another. This reluctance is not solely based on fiscal conservatism but also stems from individual taxpayer anxiety. Younger Republicans, specifically Gen Z and millennials, differ from older Republicans in their views on certain issues such as climate change, systemic racism, and gender, but there is less clarity on their preferred direction for the party. However, on issues like immigration, there is less distinction between the generations. The Republican Party may face challenges in appealing to younger generations if they cannot address their concerns while maintaining the support of their current voter base.

    • Concerns over free speech on college campuses resonate with young conservatives and millennialsYoung conservatives and millennials are concerned about free speech on college campuses, a significant issue for the GOP as they face losing younger generation's support due to generational polarization.

      The issue of free speech on college campuses is a significant concern for young conservative activists, and it's not just limited to those on campus. This issue resonates with a large portion of millennials and Generation Z, even those who do not attend college. Furthermore, the Republican Party is facing a real threat in terms of losing the support of younger generations. While there has been a stereotype that young people are always liberal, data shows that this is not entirely true. Republicans have been losing millennials and Gen Zers in recent years, and political identification is known to be sticky over time. The shift away from the right among young people began before Barack Obama's presidency and has continued through the Biden era. It remains to be seen if Joe Biden will be able to break down the deep generational polarization that has been present for over a decade. A recommended read for those interested in understanding the modern Republican Party is the older book "Grand New Party" by Ross Douthat and Reihan Salam.

    • Addressing concerns of working class Americans crucial for political partiesUnderstanding the formative impact of youth on political attitudes and referencing relevant literature can help political parties connect with and address the concerns of working class Americans.

      Political parties, specifically the Republican Party, need to address the concerns of working class Americans to remain successful. This was highlighted in a book discussed, which was written before Donald Trump's presidency but still holds relevance. Another key insight from the conversation was the idea that political attitudes formed during one's youth tend to stick with individuals as they age politically. A favorite book on communication and persuasion, "Resonate" by Nancy Duarte, was also mentioned. Additionally, a political science paper from 1987, "Generations, Status, and Party Identification: A Theory of Operant Conditioning," was recommended for understanding the enduring impact of early political experiences. Lastly, a children's book, "Dragons Love Tacos," was shared as a favorite, offering a reminder that even in seemingly unrelated areas, valuable lessons can be found.

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    ‘Artificial Intelligence?’ No, Collective Intelligence.

    ‘Artificial Intelligence?’ No, Collective Intelligence.

    A.I.-generated art has flooded the internet, and a lot of it is derivative, even boring or offensive. But what could it look like for artists to collaborate with A.I. systems in making art that is actually generative, challenging, transcendent?

    Holly Herndon offered one answer with her 2019 album “PROTO.” Along with Mathew Dryhurst and the programmer Jules LaPlace, she built an A.I. called “Spawn” trained on human voices that adds an uncanny yet oddly personal layer to the music. Beyond her music and visual art, Herndon is trying to solve a problem that many creative people are encountering as A.I. becomes more prominent: How do you encourage experimentation without stealing others’ work to train A.I. models? Along with Dryhurst, Jordan Meyer and Patrick Hoepner, she co-founded Spawning, a company figuring out how to allow artists — and all of us creating content on the internet — to “consent” to our work being used as training data.

    In this conversation, we discuss how Herndon collaborated with a human chorus and her “A.I. baby,” Spawn, on “PROTO”; how A.I. voice imitators grew out of electronic music and other musical genres; why Herndon prefers the term “collective intelligence” to “artificial intelligence”; why an “opt-in” model could help us retain more control of our work as A.I. trawls the internet for data; and much more.

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    Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt” by Holly Herndon

    xhairymutantx” by Holly Herndon and Mat Dryhurst, for the Whitney Museum of Art

    Fade” by Holly Herndon

    Swim” by Holly Herndon

    Jolene” by Holly Herndon and Holly+

    Movement” by Holly Herndon

    Chorus” by Holly Herndon

    Godmother” by Holly Herndon

    The Precision of Infinity” by Jlin and Philip Glass

    Holly+

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    Intelligence and Spirit by Reza Negarestani

    Children of Time by Adrian Tchaikovsky

    Plurality by E. Glen Weyl, Audrey Tang and ⿻ Community

    Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.

    You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.

    This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Annie Galvin. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. Our senior editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Rollin Hu, Elias Isquith and Kristin Lin. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. And special thanks to Sonia Herrero and Jack Hamilton.

    The Ezra Klein Show
    enMay 24, 2024

    A Conservative Futurist and a Supply-Side Liberal Walk Into a Podcast …

    A Conservative Futurist and a Supply-Side Liberal Walk Into a Podcast …

    “The Jetsons” premiered in 1962. And based on the internal math of the show, George Jetson, the dad, was born in 2022. He’d be a toddler right now. And we are so far away from the world that show imagined. There were a lot of future-trippers in the 1960s, and most of them would be pretty disappointed by how that future turned out.

    So what happened? Why didn’t we build that future?

    The answer, I think, lies in the 1970s. I’ve been spending a lot of time studying that decade in my work, trying to understand why America is so bad at building today. And James Pethokoukis has also spent a lot of time looking at the 1970s, in his work trying to understand why America is less innovative today than it was in the postwar decades. So Pethokoukis and I are asking similar questions, and circling the same time period, but from very different ideological vantages.

    Pethokoukis is a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, and author of the book “The Conservative Futurist: How to Create the Sci-Fi World We Were Promised.” He also writes a newsletter called Faster, Please! “The two screamingly obvious things that we stopped doing is we stopped spending on science, research and development the way we did in the 1960s,” he tells me, “and we began to regulate our economy as if regulation would have no impact on innovation.”

    In this conversation, we debate why the ’70s were such an inflection point; whether this slowdown phenomenon is just something that happens as countries get wealthier; and what the government’s role should be in supporting and regulating emerging technologies like A.I.

    Mentioned:

    U.S. Infrastructure: 1929-2017” by Ray C. Fair

    Book Recommendations

    Why Information Grows by Cesar Hidalgo

    The Expanse series by James S.A. Corey

    The American Dream Is Not Dead by Michael R. Strain

    Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.

    You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.

    This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. Our senior editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Annie Galvin, Elias Isquith and Kristin Lin. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. And special thanks to Sonia Herrero.

    The Ezra Klein Show
    enMay 21, 2024

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