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    Best Of: How America's Poet Laureate Sees Our World

    enDecember 30, 2022

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    • Poetry as a reminder of beauty and humanityPoetry encourages us to slow down, feel deeply, and connect with the human experience through its natural pauses and poetic devices.

      Poetry serves as a powerful reminder of the beauty and humanity in the world during difficult times. Ada Limon, a poet and host of the podcast "The Slowdown," emphasizes the importance of opening ourselves to the full spectrum of emotions and feelings, which is often overlooked in our fast-paced society. Poetry allows us to slow down, feel deeply, and connect with the human experience. The line breaks, stanza breaks, and other poetic devices in poetry act as natural pauses, encouraging us to reflect and fully absorb the words and emotions expressed. By engaging with poetry, we are reminded of the importance of taking time for ourselves and for experiencing the richness of the world around us.

    • Appreciate the small moments in life through poetrySlow down, read one poem or line at a time, and savor the musicality and meaning to appreciate the small moments in life

      Poetry invites us to slow down and appreciate the small moments in life, just as poets start with one line or one poem at a time. Unlike prose where we read for sense and look for the structure of sentences, poetry works on a smaller scale, focusing on lines, sounds, and the spaces between words and lines. Each line in a poem carries importance, and the musicality and silence between them contribute to the overall impact. To fully appreciate poetry, it's essential to read one poem or one line at a time and read it out loud to experience its musicality and meaning. So remember, in the rush of life, take a moment to breathe, read a poem, and savor the beauty in the small things.

    • Understanding Poetry Through SpeechReading poetry aloud can reveal its beauty and meaning, and writing a poem can be an act of gratitude.

      Poetry, especially when we're struggling with its meaning, can be better understood when we read it out loud. This simple act can help us uncover its beauty and hear its music. The poet in this conversation shared a personal poem from her book, "The Caring," titled "The Raincoat." This poem was inspired by her experiences with scoliosis and the support of her mother. She realized, during a moment of reflection, that she had been under her mother's metaphorical raincoat her whole life, forgetting the sacrifices her mother made for her. The poet began with the image of the end of the poem and worked backwards, discovering that the singing in the poem was also a metaphor for the poem itself. This structure, where the beginning is more literal and the end is more metaphorical, is common in the poet's work. The process of writing this poem was an offering of gratitude to her mother for her unwavering care and support.

    • The power of poetry to transcend context and create new connectionsPoetry transcends context, creating new connections for both poet and reader. Social media offers a platform to share and discover new poems, allowing them to reach a wider audience and inspire new experiences.

      Poetry, especially in the digital age, has the unique ability to transcend context and reach a wide audience, creating new connections and experiences for both the poet and the reader. The speaker in this conversation, a poet herself, reflects on the importance of crafting meaningful words and images in her work, ensuring each element contributes to the poem's overall impact. She also shares her thoughts on the role of social media in poetry, acknowledging its complexities but ultimately appreciating the platform's potential for sharing and discovering new poems. The raincoat poem, for instance, has gained a life beyond the page, touching many people through various digital channels. The poet's connection to her work may evolve, but the poem itself continues to resonate and inspire new connections.

    • Exploring the universal experience of lossThe poet invites us to reflect on personal experiences of loss and how they shape our identities and futures, emphasizing the potential for new possibilities and the beauty in letting go.

      The poet explores the profound and universal experience of loss, specifically the loss of something we may never have, in her poetry. This theme emerged from a personal moment of acceptance while observing horses and their foals in Kentucky, a place deeply connected to motherhood. The poet reflects on the importance of acknowledging and processing such losses, and how they shape our identities and futures. Despite the sadness, she also emphasizes the potential for new possibilities and the beauty in letting go of unattainable dreams. Throughout her work, the poet invites readers to contemplate their own experiences of loss and the ways in which they transform and grow.

    • Exploring community through the natural worldThe poet's latest collection shifts focus from self to nature, viewing animals as equals and celebrating interconnectedness.

      That the poet's latest collection, "Bright Dead Things," shifts the focus from the poet as the protagonist to the natural world, particularly animals. This change was a deliberate choice, as the poet wanted to explore community and honor the worthy subjects around her. The poet's relationship with animals is unique, viewing them as equals and even going so far as to imagine having the heart of a horse. The poet's work reflects a deep appreciation for the interconnectedness of all living beings and a desire to be in community with them. The poet's shift in perspective from self to community was influenced by her experiences with isolation during the pandemic and her realization of the companionship found in nature and ancestry. Overall, the poet's work invites readers to appreciate the beauty and worth of all living beings and to find connection in the natural world.

    • Acknowledging our connection to the natural world and recognizing the importance of both mind and bodyThe importance of embracing our instinctual nature and recognizing the reciprocal relationship we have with the planet, as reflected in Jamaal May's poetry, which challenges societal expectations and makes poetry accessible to a wider audience.

      We should remember our connection to the natural world and recognize the importance of both the mind and body. The speaker in the discussion emphasizes the importance of acknowledging our instinctual nature and the reciprocal relationship we have with the planet. This idea is reflected in the poem "Service" by Jamaal May, which explores the idea of asserting one's agency and not being held back by societal expectations. The speaker in the poem, like the animals around her, asserts her right to take care of her basic needs and not be judged for it. May's poetry, as the speaker notes, challenges the notion that poetry is only for the refined and sensitive, and instead embraces the raw and profane aspects of life. The speaker's goal with Bright Dead Things was to write a book of poetry for those who don't typically read poetry, making it accessible to a wider audience.

    • Connecting with subject matter through poetryPoetry is a powerful tool for expressing intelligence, emotions, and experiences. Reflecting in liminal spaces, like cars during transitional moments, can lead to creating 'chewy, juicy' poems.

      Poetry is not just about beauty, but also about intelligence and connection to subject matter. The poet shares her personal experience of feeling the need to prove her intelligence in graduate school and later realizing that she could write about her experiences in a poetic way. She discusses how the idea of unraveling and connecting with important subject matter can lead to creating "chewy, juicy" poems. The poet also mentions that many of her poems take place in cars during transitional moments, as they often exist in liminal spaces where one can reflect and connect with emotions. This realization came from her friend, a playwright, who pointed out the recurring theme in her work. Overall, the poet's takeaway is that poetry is a powerful tool for expressing intelligence, emotions, and experiences.

    • Inspiration from transitional momentsTransitional periods, such as car rides or plane trips, offer opportunities for creativity due to the lack of distractions and white noise, allowing the mind to expand and form new ideas and memories.

      The transitional periods between places, such as during car rides or plane trips, can serve as valuable sources of inspiration for creativity. These moments, often filled with white noise and a lack of distractions, allow the mind to expand and focus, leading to the formation of new ideas and memories that can later be transformed into art. The speaker shares how they have found themselves most creative during these in-between moments, whether it be on a plane, in a car, or even while walking. This idea is further emphasized by the speaker's experience of moving from a bustling city to a more rural area, and the way that new environment influenced their poetry. Overall, the speaker values these transitional moments as essential spaces for reflection and creativity.

    • Finding Wholeness in Unexpected PlacesMoving to a quieter place offered the speaker a full and balanced life, including community, nature, and work-life alignment. Wholeness and balance can be found in various places and experiences, not just in the hustle and bustle of a city or the struggle of an artist.

      The pursuit of a full and meaningful life doesn't necessarily require living in a bustling city or suffering for one's art. The speaker in this conversation found that moving to Kentucky offered her something unexpected - time and space to live a whole and balanced life. This included building a community, appreciating nature, and aligning her work and personal life. The idea of "saturation" - feeling fully alive with all that life has to offer - can be found in different places and experiences. It's not just about the hubbub of a big city or the struggle of a suffering artist. Instead, it's about finding wholeness and balance in one's life, wherever that may be.

    • Expanding beyond comfort zones leads to personal growthStepping out of your comfort zone can lead to unexpected growth and a greater sense of wholeness. Embrace emotions like contentedness and recognize that our souls are capable of change.

      Stepping out of one's comfort zone and challenging preconceived notions about oneself can lead to personal growth and a greater sense of wholeness. The speaker shares how she felt unexpectedly expansive after a period of isolation and minimal responsibilities, despite initial fears of boredom. This experience has left her questioning her urban identity and the assumption that fullness comes from constant activity. The speaker also touches on the importance of recognizing and embracing emotions like contentedness, which can be overlooked in favor of more socially acceptable desires. Thich Nhat Hanh's quote about mistaking excitement for happiness further emphasizes the importance of self-reflection and understanding one's true needs. Overall, the discussion encourages the idea that our souls are mercurial and capable of change, allowing us to become better, kinder versions of ourselves.

    • The need for validation and being witnessedBeing true to ourselves despite external feedback and imperfections is key to maintaining our authentic self.

      The need for validation from others and being witnessed can give us a sense of wholeness, but it can also blur the lines between our identity and the world's perception of us. The idea of being both an "I" and the world can be poisonous as it can make us lose sight of our authentic self and make us overly reliant on external validation. It's important to remember that our self-perception can be influenced by the world's judgment, and it can be challenging to keep these two separate. The ongoing process of being human involves returning to the practice of being true to ourselves despite the external feedback and the ongoing slog of dealing with our faults and imperfections.

    • Finding Balance: Engaging with the World and Disconnecting for CreativityArtists must balance external engagement and internal focus to maintain authentic creative impulses, avoiding excessive validation or criticism, and limiting self-labels and summaries. Regular meditation practice can help navigate these challenges.

      As artists and individuals, it's essential to find a balance between engaging with the world and disconnecting to focus on our authentic creative impulses. The world's validation, whether positive or negative, can be distracting and hinder our creative process. Spiritual leaders, such as monks, retreat to isolate themselves to minimize external influences and focus on their inner selves. Similarly, artists must learn to lean into their authentic creative impulses and not get too caught up in external validation or criticism. The world can serve as inspiration, but it's crucial to maintain a healthy separation between the creative process and external validation. Additionally, we must be wary of labels and summaries, as they can limit our understanding of ourselves and others. Lastly, maintaining a consistent meditation practice can help artists navigate the challenges of balancing their creative process with the world's expectations.

    • Aging brings deeper appreciation for tenderness and connectionEmbrace inner peace and tranquility amidst chaos and violence, let go of dreams and fully engage in present moment with tenderness and compassion.

      Aging brings a deeper appreciation for tenderness and connection amidst the chaos and violence of the world. The poem "I have wanted clarity in light of my lack of light" by Alejandra Pizarnik explores this idea, as the speaker reflects on the passing of time and the importance of finding peace and contentment in the present moment. Thich Nhat Hanh's quote, "many people think excitement is happiness. But when you're excited, you are not peaceful. True happiness is based on peace," resonates with this theme, emphasizing the importance of finding inner peace and tranquility in the midst of external stimuli and distractions. As we navigate the complexities of life, it's essential to remember to slow down, let go of our dreams, and embrace the present moment with tenderness and compassion.

    • Appreciating the complexities of aging through poetrySlow down, be present, and prioritize tenderness, vulnerability, and self-care during the aging process. Find solace in poetry to cope with anxiety and explore profound insights into the human experience and time.

      Aging is a complex process of change, and it's important to honor that change by slowing down, being present, and recognizing that what worked for us in the past may not work for us in the present or future. The poetic exploration of aging in the discussed poem offers a reminder to appreciate the importance of tenderness, vulnerability, and self-care, in addition to the bravery and fiery passion of youth. The speaker also emphasizes the need to be still and receive the world's disturbances authentically, rather than constantly defending or recreating past traumas. Regarding poetry and anxiety, the speaker shares that writing poetry is a calming and authentic experience for them, providing a sense of self and peace. In terms of book recommendations, the speaker highly recommends "Stones" by Kevin Young, which is a beautiful and thought-provoking collection of poetry. Other recommended books include "The Complete Poems of Emily Dickinson" and "Leaves of Grass" by Walt Whitman, both of which offer profound insights into the human experience and the passage of time.

    • Celebrating the literary world: Pulitzer Prize winners and contemporary poetryThe literary world is rich and diverse, shaped by award-winning works and dedicated individuals. Immerse yourself in the beauty and complexity of contemporary poetry.

      The literary world is rich and diverse, as evidenced by the recent Pulitzer Prize win for Diane Seuss's "Frank Sonnets," the acclaim for Natalie Diaz's "Post Colonial Love Poem," and the anticipation surrounding Ada Limon's "The Hurting Kind." These works represent the depth and breadth of contemporary poetry, and they are just a few examples of the many voices that continue to shape and challenge our cultural conversation. The recognition of these authors is the result of hard work and dedication, as well as the efforts of those behind the scenes, including contest producers Andy Galvin, Jeff Geld, and Roger Karma, fact checker Hailey Milliken, original music composer Isaac Jones, mixing and engineering expert Jeff Geld, audience strategist Shannon Busta, executive producer Irene Noguchi, and special thanks to Kristen Lynn and Christina Samilewski. The importance of these works and the people who bring them to light underscores the value of literary pursuits and the role they play in shaping our collective consciousness. So take a moment to slow down, immerse yourself in the words of these poets, and appreciate the beauty and complexity of the literary world.

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    Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.

    You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.

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    Book Recommendations:

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    Confessions of an English Opium Eater by Thomas De Quincey

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