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    Driving alignment and urgency within teams, work-life balance, and the changing PM landscape | Nikita Miller (The Knot, Trello)

    enApril 06, 2023
    What does Nikita Miller emphasize about outcomes and output?
    How can teams maximize effectiveness in a remote work environment?
    Why is empathy important for product managers according to Miller?
    What key question does Miller recommend asking in personal and professional life?
    What work-life management approach does Miller suggest for product managers?

    Podcast Summary

    • The Importance of Balancing Outcomes and Output in Product DevelopmentDon't solely focus on outcomes, remember that output is an indicator of success. Balance the two and ship products quickly. Align roles and responsibilities within teams, work effectively as a remote team, and ask the right questions to get the most out of your team.

      Many companies focus solely on outcomes, forgetting that output is an indicator of success. While ideation and setting goals are important, shipping products to market quickly is just as vital. Nikita Miller, Senior Vice President and Head of Product at The Knot Worldwide, stresses the importance of not swinging too far on the outcomes train and instead balancing it with output. In an interview with Lenny's Podcast, Miller also discusses how to align roles and responsibilities within cross-functional teams, work effectively as a remote and distributed team, and get the most out of her teams by asking the right question.

    • The Knot and Trello's Diverse Paths to SuccessBoth companies started with a specific focus and then evolved to meet their users' needs. The Knot aims to expand beyond weddings, while Trello's progressive disclosure approach allows for growth and adaptability.

      The Knot's strategy is to be there for every big celebration in life, not just weddings. While they primarily focus on weddings, they aim to expand to other adulting milestones. Trello, on the other hand, initially started as a task management tool for software teams, but quickly evolved into a tool for anyone to manage anything. Their progressive disclosure approach allowed them to grow with their user's sophistication and problems to solve. The founder of The Knot, Nikita Miller, was previously instrumental in growing Trello's enterprise business, expanding the tool to sales and marketing teams in addition to software teams.

    • Choosing the Right Project Management ToolUnderstand your team's needs and choose a tool that suits your current project stage. Identify core features that add value to the majority while allowing for customization for specific needs. Remember to consider the emotional stakes and pressures involved.

      When it comes to project management tools, Trello is ideal for small teams that are still ideating and brainstorming, while Jira is better suited for established projects with defined tasks that need to be assigned. However, building productivity software is challenging because users have different needs and expectations, even within the same team. It's important to identify core features that will benefit the majority of users, while still allowing for customization and flexibility for those who have specific needs. Whether building for product managers or people planning their weddings, it's essential to understand the emotional stakes and pressures involved in the project.

    • The Challenges and Solutions of Wedding Planning and Product ManagementPlanning a wedding and managing a product both require managing multiple stakeholders and collaborating effectively. Using tools like The Knot and Trello's Power-Ups, and defining team roles can lead to successful outcomes in both scenarios.

      Wedding planning is a huge project that can last up to 18 months and involves managing multiple vendors and stakeholders. The emotional weight of planning a wedding is high as it is a meaningful event for couples and their families. The Knot, as a platform, offers planning tools, e-commerce services for registry and paper, as well as affiliate and ads business. The challenges of wedding planning are similar to those of product management, but with more emphasis on the emotional aspect. Trello's Power-Ups are a valuable but underutilized feature that can enhance collaboration and productivity. Building successful and impactful teams involves clearly defining roles and responsibilities, especially in the triad of product, design, engineering, and data.

    • Creating a Strong Team Through Defining Roles and ResponsibilitiesClearly defining team roles and responsibilities through a contract can prevent misunderstandings and identify areas for potential responsibility shifts, ultimately strengthening the team’s overall performance.

      Defining clear roles and responsibilities within a team is essential for creating a strong team. A helpful exercise is for team members to write out their expectations and responsibilities for each other, which can be turned into a contract. This can ensure everyone is on the same page and prevent misunderstandings or disagreements later on. Templates can be used to guide this process, and it's important for each team member to write their own expectations for themselves and others. This exercise can also reveal where certain responsibilities should lie, such as project management, which may shift from product managers to engineering managers over time.

    • The Roles and Responsibilities Framework for Product ManagersDefining shared responsibilities within product teams can improve efficiency and execution velocity. Regularly revisiting the framework and focusing on decision-making speed and actionable solutions can lead to successful product outcomes.

      Many companies struggle with defining the product manager role, leading to overloaded responsibilities and misunderstandings within teams. The "roles and responsibilities framework" helps clarify shared responsibilities within the team, including the importance of embedding data scientists into the team to improve execution velocity. It's essential to revisit the framework regularly and address any conflicts or tensions that arise around execution and velocity. PMs can improve velocity by focusing on decision-making speed, identifying the issue, and finding actionable solutions. Overall, a clear understanding of shared responsibilities helps teams work together more efficiently towards product success.

    • The Importance of Balancing Outcomes with Execution Velocity in Team DevelopmentBreaking up tasks into smaller pieces and clear articulation of goals is crucial for effective delegation in team development. Balancing outcomes with execution velocity helps ship ideas quickly to the market while maintaining a sense of urgency.

      When developing successful teams, it is important to remember the value of breaking up tickets into smaller pieces and how this can be achieved. This responsibility falls on both project managers and engineers, but clear articulation of goals is key for effective delegation of tasks. While focusing on outcomes is crucial for achieving overall success, output is an important indicator of progress and execution. Therefore, it is important to balance outcomes with execution velocity, ensuring that ideas are shipped quickly to the market. Urgency, particularly in the software industry, is crucial for product managers to drive, with reminders and understanding of competition helping to maintain this sense of urgency.

    • Recognizing and Prioritizing Competition for Successful Product ManagementBalancing optimization and big bets depends on company growth. To increase team output, focus on actual output rather than plans. Ahrefs provides a free tool for personal website SEO optimization.

      Recognizing and acknowledging competition is essential for success in product management. Prioritization and balancing optimization versus big bets depends on the company's age and stage of growth. To increase team output, focus on asking questions about actual output rather than plans. The role of product management has become more mainstream over time. Ahrefs provides a free tool to optimize personal websites for SEO issues.

    • The Evolving Role of Product Managers in Today's Business LandscapeProduct management is a diverse and growing field, with opportunities for professionals from different backgrounds. While technical skills are valuable, they are not always essential, and there are various paths to becoming a successful product manager.

      The field of product management has experienced significant growth and development, with the emergence of related educational programs and a robust business around the discipline. Product managers are increasingly expected to possess technical skills, while designers are expected to be more business-oriented, and engineers are becoming more product and user-focused. While technical skills are beneficial, they are not necessarily a requirement for product management, and many PMs are taking courses and classes to enhance their skills in data analysis and coding. There are multiple pathways to becoming a product manager, including traditional programs at major tech companies and gaining experience at startups.

    • The balance between sprinting and recharging in the demanding world of Product Management.Success in Product Management requires optimizing priorities, sprinting during critical periods, and taking time to recharge. Balance between work and life is key, with flexibility provided by tech companies.

      The Product Manager role is difficult, stressful and demanding, requiring competence across multiple areas with high expectations. It is essential to optimize rather than balance work and life priorities. In order to succeed, it is necessary to sprint and work hard during critical periods, enabling us to take time for ourselves during other periods. Companies in the tech industry often allow for a certain level of flexibility regarding work-life balance, meaning we can adjust our priorities to suit whatever we need at the time. Remembering this balance between sprinting and resting or recharging is the key to success, even in highly demanding job roles.

    • Building Stronger Remote Teams: Balancing Asynchronous Communication and In-Person MeetingsGood communication, documentation and trust are key for remote teams while in-person meetings are invaluable for complex problem solving. A structured agenda can ensure productive in-person meetings and occasional get-togethers can build camaraderie and strong teams.

      Working with remote and distributed teams requires strong communication skills and the ability to build trust without in-person interaction. Asynchronous communication and documentation are key for successful collaboration. However, for solving complex problems or making major decisions, in-person meetings and building camaraderie can be invaluable. An agenda and a structure should be in place for these meetings to ensure efficiency and productivity. Despite the benefits of remote work, the lack of in-person interaction can make it difficult to build trust and solve complex problems. Incorporating occasional in-person meetings can help overcome these challenges and build stronger teams.

    • Standard Processes and Sharing Responsibility in Remote WorkCreate communication processes and ensure overlap in working hours for collaboration. Onboard new hires by sharing the same foundation. Foster creativity and build a culture where ideas can come from anyone, across geographies and functions. Share responsibility for building together.

      In remote or distributed work, it's essential to have standard processes for communication and collaboration, including having overlapping work hours and in-person onboarding. The biggest challenge is replicating the early learning that typically happens in person in a non-office setting. One solution is to make sure everyone starts with the same foundation by giving everyone the same information before making decisions. It's also crucial to make room for creativity and to create a culture where ideas can come from anyone, across functions and geographies, and where everyone shares responsibility for what they're building.

    • Tips for a Successful Product Manager CareerTo grow as a product manager, work at companies with different cultures, practice empathy & ask "What are you optimizing for?" regularly. Read books like You Will Hear Thunder, The Fire Next Time, and High Output Management. Watch K-dramas for entertainment.

      Nikita Miller, a product leader, recommends working at companies of different cultures to expand one's experiences and learn empathy, which is essential for product managers. She also emphasizes the importance of asking the question, "What are you optimizing for?" in every aspect of life, personally and professionally, to make trade-offs and set goals clearly. She recommends Anna Akhmatova's You Will Hear Thunder and James Baldwin's The Fire Next Time for reading, and High Output Management by Andrew S. Grove for software-related knowledge. Nikita enjoys K dramas and recommends them for entertainment.

    • Hiring Product Managers: Balancing Artistry, Science, and ManagementConsider a product manager's multifaceted role and tailor hiring to your team's needs. Check out The Knot Worldwide's marketplace for wedding vendors. Connect with Nikita Miller on Twitter and LinkedIn.

      During a podcast interview, Nikita Miller, a product leader, suggests that when hiring product managers, it's essential to consider their skills as an artist, scientist, and general manager. Miller stresses that it depends on the product team's composition, and one must understand their shared roles and responsibilities. When asked about a pro-tip to use The Knot and other properties, Miller recommends checking out The Knot Worldwide marketplace, an extensive two-sided marketplace to find wedding vendors. Miller can be found on Twitter and LinkedIn; she is responsive to folks who reach out with product-related questions and is interested in hearing about other ways of doing things.

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    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Nikita’s background 

    (06:08) Nikita’s early ventures: Politify and Outline

    (08:42) Transition to consumer apps

    (13:45) The birth of TBH

    (16:43) Building for teens vs. adults

    (20:00) TBH’s viral success

    (32:18) Leveraging live chat

    (34:08) Lasting lessons from TBH

    (37:00) Selling TBH to Facebook

    (42:19) Big-tech product management

    (48:46) Nikita on why “product management is not real”

    (51:49) The Tim Cook painting story

    (53:53) Leaving Facebook and starting a new venture

    (58:02) Rebuilding TBH and overcoming challenges

    (59:46) Addressing criticism

    (01:04:24) The human trafficking hoax

    (01:09:51) Selling to Discord and lessons learned

    (01:11:36) Lasting lessons from Gas

    (01:13:14) Building durable consumer apps

    (01:22:35) The VC route

    (01:23:27) Contact permissions in iOS 18

    (01:26:53) The success of Dupe

    (01:31:53) Advice for startup founders

    (01:34:14) Work with Nikita

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    Succeeding as an introvert, building zero-to-one, and why you should PM your career like you PM your product | Deb Liu (CEO of Ancestry, ex-Facebook, PayPal, eBay)

    Succeeding as an introvert, building zero-to-one, and why you should PM your career like you PM your product | Deb Liu (CEO of Ancestry, ex-Facebook, PayPal, eBay)

    Deb Liu is the CEO of Ancestry and former longtime VP of Product at Facebook. At Facebook, Deb led the creation of Facebook Marketplace, developed the first mobile ad product for apps, built the company’s games business, and launched Facebook Pay. She’s also held leadership roles at PayPal and eBay, serves on the board of Intuit, and is the author of Take Back Your Power. In our conversation, we discuss:

    • Why you should PM your career like you PM your product

    • Strategies for incubating new products within large companies

    • Creating a successful 30-60-90-day plan when starting a new job

    • The pitfalls of perfectionism

    • The challenges introverts face in the workplace and how to overcome them

    • The value of resilience and turning failures into stepping stones

    • How to leverage coaching in your career development

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    Find the transcript and show notes at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/succeeding-as-an-introvert-deb-liu

    Where to find Deb Liu:

    • Threads: https://www.threads.net/@debliu

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/deborahliu

    • Substack: https://debliu.substack.com/

    Where to find Lenny:

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    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Introduction to Deb Liu

    (02:18) Deb’s career journey and key advice

    (09:45) Navigating new roles and challenges

    (11:27) Overcoming adversity and failure

    (15:07) Building billion-dollar businesses at Facebook

    (19:33) Strategies for zero-to-one innovation

    (23:40) PM your career like a product

    (33:53) Challenges and strategies for introverts in business

    (39:19) Reframing self-promotion

    (42:25) The power of accountability

    (46:15) Growth: a game of inches

    (50:52) The 30-60-90-day plan

    (56:52) Contrarian corner: career and marriage

    (58:57) Final nuggets of wisdom

    (01:03:09) How to find a coach

    (01:04:47) Lightning round

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    Unorthodox PM wisdom: Automating user insights, unselling job candidates, logging every decision, more | Kevin Yien (Stripe, Square, Mutiny)

    Unorthodox PM wisdom: Automating user insights, unselling job candidates, logging every decision, more | Kevin Yien (Stripe, Square, Mutiny)

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    • Why aspiring PMs should start in engineering, design, or sales

    • The importance of writing skills, and how to become a better writer

    • How to automate user research

    • Kevin’s “unsell email” technique for hiring

    • The value of keeping a decision log

    • Insights on AI and its impact on future generations

    • Lessons from failure

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    Find the transcript and show notes at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/unorthodox-pm-wisdom-kevin-yien

    Where to find Kevin Yien:

    • X: https://x.com/kevinyien

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinyien/

    • Website: https://kevinyien.com/

    Where to find Lenny:

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    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Kevin’s background 

    (02:00) The story behind Kevin’s profile picture

    (08:41) The role of a product manager

    (10:48) Getting started in product management

    (12:47) The importance of writing skills

    (15:06) Becoming a better writer

    (19:10) The PM’s role with engineering and design

    (28:41) Drawing the perimeter for your team

    (31:37) Feedback tips

    (35:13) Decision logs and product sense

    (45:36) Unorthodox hiring strategies

    (47:01) The unsell email strategy

    (54:01) Automating user research

    (01:02:27) AI in everyday life

    (01:06:05) Lessons from failure

    (01:14:34) Lightning round

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    Improve strategy, influence, and decision-making by understanding your brain | Evan LaPointe (founder of CORE Sciences)

    Improve strategy, influence, and decision-making by understanding your brain | Evan LaPointe (founder of CORE Sciences)

    Evan LaPointe is the founder of CORE Sciences, which teaches companies and individuals how our brains work and how that translates to improved collaboration, better products, faster decision-making, and more growth. Previously, Evan was the co-founder of Satellite, the fourth-largest analytics company on the internet today (it mostly runs behind the scenes, and pretty much everyone listening will have used it today without knowing it), which was acquired by Adobe, where he later ran product strategy, innovation, and long-range thinking for Adobe’s digital experiences business. In our conversation, we discuss:

    • The three different systems of the brain

    • How knowing this can help you become more influential

    • How understanding different brain states will help you increase productivity and creativity

    • How to improve your vision and strategy skills

    • How to design a work environment that fosters innovation

    • How to build better relationships at work

    • Much more

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    Find the transcript and references at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/understanding-your-brain-evan-lapointe

    Where to find Evan LaPointe:

    • X: https://x.com/evanlapointe

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/evanlapointe/

    • Website: https://www.core-sciences.com/

    Where to find Lenny:

    • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Evan’s background

    (02:37) Understanding the brain’s complex systems

    (07:17) The three core brain systems: safety, reward, and purpose

    (11:03) Applying brain science to team dynamics

    (14:27) The role of personality in team performance

    (17:27) Creating effective work environments

    (23:16) The science of meetings and decision-making

    (29:35) Enhancing strategy and vision

    (54:46) Understanding personality traits in strategy and vision

    (58:58) Tactical tips for increasing openness

    (01:05:46) Building influence and effective relationships

    (01:21:17) The importance of trust and appeal in relationships

    (01:36:47) Creating a positive organizational habitat

    (01:50:35) Enhancing focus and productivity

    (02:00:58) Practical tips for deep work and gamma time

    (02:07:11) Lightning round

    Referenced:

    • The Most Complicated Object in the Universe: https://today.uconn.edu/2018/03/complicated-object-universe/#

    • The Myers-Briggs personality test: https://www.themyersbriggs.com/en-US/Products-and-Services/Myers-Briggs

    • The Big Five personality test: https://www.thepersonalitylab.org/

    • The Enneagram personality test: https://enneagramtest.com/

    • An inside look at how Figma builds product | Yuhki Yamashita (CPO of Figma): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/an-inside-look-at-how-figma-builds

    • Vision, conviction, and hype: How to build 0 to 1 inside a company | Mihika Kapoor (Product at Figma): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/vision-conviction-hype-mihika-kapoor

    • Dylan Field live at Config: Intuition, simplicity, and the future of design: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/dylan-field-live-at-config

    • An inside look at Figma’s unique GTM motion | Claire Butler (first GTM hire): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/an-inside-look-at-figmas-unique-bottom

    • Inside Canva: Coaches not managers, giving away your Legos, and running profitably | Cameron Adams (co-founder and CPO): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/inside-canva-with-cameron-adams

    • The Science-Business Mismatch That Puts Your Change at Risk: https://changemanagementreview.com/the-science-business-mismatch-that-puts-your-change-at-risk/

    • Daniel Pink on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielpink/

    • Trello: https://trello.com/

    • Cron: https://cronhq.notion.site/

    • The Double Diamond framework for design thinking: https://www.fluxspace.io/resources/the-4-ds-double-diamond-design-thinking-model

    • CORE Sciences - Tips on Priming Great Meetings PDF: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/gm21cj0vi0bjosyu8kd69/CORE-Sciences-Tips-on-Priming-Great-Meetings.pdf?rlkey=6fznhv7bbsxm8nj8m4luej17t&st=2eduirad&dl=0

    • How to grow a subscription business | Yuriy Timen (Grammarly, Canva, Airtable): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/transform-your-subscription-growth

    • Brené Brown’s website: https://brenebrown.com/

    • The CORE personality test: https://www.core-sciences.com/new-core-identity

    • Burning Man: https://burningman.org/

    • Stripe: https://stripe.com/

    • Jony Ive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jony_Ive

    • Albert Einstein quote: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7133605-make-things-as-simple-as-possible-but-no-simpler

    • Elden Ring: https://en.bandainamcoent.eu/elden-ring/elden-ring

    • Abilene paradox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abilene_paradox

    The Challenger Sale: Taking Control of the Customer Conversation: https://www.amazon.com/Challenger-Sale-Control-Customer-Conversation/dp/1591844355

    • The surprising truth about what closes deals: Insights from 2.5m sales conversations | Matt Dixon (author of The Challenger Sale and The JOLT Effect): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/close-more-deals-matt-dixon

    • Siqi Chan on X: https://x.com/blader

    • Runway: https://runway.com/

    • Shreyas Doshi on pre-mortems, the LNO framework, the three levels of product work, why most execution problems are strategy problems, and ROI vs. opportunity cost thinking: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/episode-3-shreyas-doshi

    • Wolfgang Puck’s website: https://wolfgangpuck.com/

    • Steven Spielberg on X: https://x.com/sspielberg93

    • John Williams’s website: https://www.johnwilliams.org/

    • The paths to power: How to grow your influence and advance your career | Jeffrey Pfeffer (author of 7 Rules of Power, professor at Stanford GSB): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-paths-to-power-jeffrey-pfeffer

    • Warby Parker: https://www.warbyparker.com/

    • Simon Sinek’s website: https://simonsinek.com/

    • What is the function of the various brainwaves?: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-is-the-function-of-t-1997-12-22/

    • CORE Sciences - Your Brain's 9 Modes PDF: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/figg8upeaawir1hnxv0ew/CORE-Sciences-Your-Brain-s-9-Modes.pdf?rlkey=u3zaonxvycvupurq6pwysckfq&st=os06xjnr&dl=0

    Never Split the Difference: Negotiating As If Your Life Depended On It: Unlock Your Persuasion Potential in Professional and Personal Life: https://www.amazon.com/Never-Split-Difference-Negotiating-Depended/dp/0062407805

    The Person and the Situation: Perspectives of Social Psychology: https://www.amazon.com/Person-Situation-Perspectives-Social-Psychology/dp/1905177445

    Cambridge Fundamentals of Neuroscience in Psychology: https://www.amazon.com/Cambridge-Fundamentals-Neuroscience-Psychology/dp/B08QYNDNYX

    • Robert Greene’s books on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/stores/Robert-Greene/author/B001IGV3IS

    Misbehaving: The Making of Behavioral Economics: https://www.amazon.com/Misbehaving-Behavioral-Economics-Richard-Thaler/dp/039335279X

    • Beehiiv: https://www.beehiiv.com/

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    How embracing your emotions will accelerate your career | Joe Hudson (executive coach, Art of Accomplishment)

    How embracing your emotions will accelerate your career | Joe Hudson (executive coach, Art of Accomplishment)

    Joe Hudson is one of the most sought-after executive coaches in Silicon Valley. He is the founder of Art of Accomplishment, a transformational coaching program that has helped tens of thousands of people, including many tech executives and founders from companies like Apple, OpenAI, and Google. His unique method of transformation comes from over 25 years of exploring neurological, psychological, and spiritual traditions, tested against real-world challenges. In our conversation, Joe shares:

    • Why the critical voice in your head is always wrong, and how to change your relationship with that voice

    • Why authenticity trumps self-improvement

    • The importance of embracing all of your emotions

    • How to create more enjoyable and effective meetings

    • The power of gratitude in transforming your life

    • Practical experiments for personal growth

    • Much more

    Apply for Joe’s Connection Course:

    Thousands of students have taken Joe’s most popular experience, the Connection Course. Unlike most online courses, there is no reading, lectures, or written homework. It is a three-week experiential deep dive where you will apply your learnings to real-life problems—how to make your team more productive, communicate more effectively, and resolve conflicts with ease. Apply here and use the code LENNY for $300 off your enrollment: view.life/lenny.

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    Find the transcript and references at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/embracing-your-emotions-joe-hudson

    Where to find Joe Hudson:

    • X: https://x.com/FU_joehudson

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-hudson/

    • Website: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/

    • Podcast: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/podcast

    • Linktree: https://linktr.ee/theartofaccomplishment

    Where to find Lenny:

    • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Joe’s background

    (02:31) The critical voice in your head

    (06:39) Changing your relationship with the critical voice

    (13:19) Understanding and embracing emotions

    (19:52) The importance of emotional fluidity

    (24:40) Questioning assumptions and self-perception

    (30:25) The consequences of avoiding emotions

    (36:57) Experimenting with self-improvement

    (39:42) Understanding efficiency and enjoyment

    (43:17) The power of enjoyment in daily tasks

    (45:03) Innate enjoyment vs. learned enjoyment

    (46:31) Authenticity vs. self-improvement

    (50:01) Embracing emotional experiences

    (55:49) How understanding your emotions helps you make better decisions

    (01:02:53) Creating effective teams and meetings

    (01:10:40) Gratitude practice for personal growth

    (01:15:36) Conclusion and final thoughts

    Referenced:

    Descartes’ Error: Emotion, Reason, and the Human Brain: https://www.amazon.com/Descartes-Error-Emotion-Reason-Human/dp/014303622X/

    • Joe’s quote about joy: https://x.com/FU_joehudson/status/1756837774743790030

    • “Emotional Inquiry”: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/podcast/emotional-inquiry

    Inside Out 2: https://movies.disney.com/inside-out-2

    • “Question the Assumption”: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/podcast/question-the-assumption

    • Bodega Bay: https://www.bodegabay.com/

    • Elon Musk reveals the interview question he asks every candidate to instantly spot a liar: https://www.good.is/elon-musk-reveals-the-one-job-interview-question-he-asks-every-candidate-to-instantly-spot-a-liar

    • Great Decisions course: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/course/great-decisions-course

    • HBR Analytic Services: https://hbr.org/hbr-analytic-services

    • Connection Course: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/course/the-connection-course

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