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    This Conversation About the 'Reading Mind' Is a Gift

    enNovember 22, 2022

    Podcast Summary

    • Understanding the Complexity of ReadingExpert Marion Wolf highlights the importance of recognizing the multifaceted nature of reading and developing a 'biliterate brain' to adapt to new forms of text in the digital age.

      The way we read and the impact it has on our brains is just as important as the content we read itself. Marion Wolf, a leading expert on reading and the brain, argues that reading is a "unnatural process" because it required the brain to create new circuits using existing processes. This new circuit is plastic, meaning it's flexible and can change. However, reading is not a single process, but rather a multifaceted one. When we first learn to read, we develop a basic circuit. But as we grow and adapt to new forms of reading, such as digital text, our brains continue to create new circuits. Wolf emphasizes the importance of understanding the different kinds of reading and developing what she calls a "biliterate brain" to navigate this digital age. This means being able to read deeply and critically, as well as quickly and efficiently. Overall, the way we read shapes our minds and our societies, and it's an ongoing experiment that we're all a part of.

    • The Complexity of Reading: From Decoding to EmpathyReading is a complex process involving vision, language, and background knowledge. It can be skimmed or deeply empathized, and our brain's plasticity shapes our reading experience based on medium and education.

      Reading is more than just decoding letters into words; it's a complex process that involves putting vision and language together and growing that circuit with background knowledge. The most intriguing aspect of reading is its continuous and evolving nature, which allows us to read at various levels, from skimming the surface to deep reading where we empathize with the author's perspective and feelings. Plasticity, the brain's ability to change, plays a crucial role in how we read, as the medium and educational background shape our attention and comprehension. For instance, digital screens enable efficient skimming but may impact the depth of absorption. Understanding these aspects of reading can help us appreciate its full potential and navigate the vast information available today.

    • The impact of technology on reading habitsDeep reading, a state of meditative focus on text, unlocks insights and broadens thinking. Despite technology's affordances for speed, it can hinder deep reading skills. To build this habit, set aside distractions and focus on the text.

      The way we consume information, whether through print or digital media, shapes our attention and learning. The digital medium, with its affordances for speed and multitasking, can diminish the time required for insights but may also hinder the development of deep reading skills. Habits formed through our use of technology can influence our approach to reading, leading to a mindset of skimming rather than immersive, deep reading. However, by intentionally setting aside distractions and focusing on the text, we can access a state of deep, meditative reading that unlocks insights and broadens our thinking. This state, which Proust described as going beyond the author's wisdom to discover our own, is a valuable and epiphanic experience. To build this habit of deep reading, we must be mindful of our purpose when engaging with text, whether in print or digital form.

    • The importance of deep reading for personal growthDeep reading activates various parts of the brain, fostering new connections and novel thoughts, essential for personal growth and sharing wisdom.

      The experience of deep reading and gaining insights goes beyond productivity and knowledge, requiring a balance with leisure and reflection, as Aristotle suggested. This contemplative state activates various parts of the brain, leading to new connections and novel thoughts. It's essential for personal growth and sharing wisdom with future generations. The educational system should emphasize this aspect of reading as much as literacy itself. A personal anecdote illustrates the importance of revisiting beloved texts and slowing down to fully immerse oneself in the reading experience.

    • The impact of information overload on cognitive patienceConstant bombardment of information leads to cognitive impatience, preference for familiar sources, reduced judgment, and increased susceptibility to misinformation. Cultivating cognitive patience is essential for deep thinking and learning, but it's a challenge in today's world.

      While we live in an age of abundant information, our ability to reflect upon and develop insights from that information has been degraded. The constant bombardment of information has led to cognitive impatience and a preference for familiar sources, resulting in reduced judgment and increased susceptibility to misinformation and demagoguery. Furthermore, our brains are becoming accustomed to novelty and distraction from a young age, which can negatively impact cognitive patience. This is a significant concern as cognitive patience is not only a virtue but also a capacity that is essential for deep thinking and learning. The challenge is to find ways to counteract these trends and cultivate cognitive patience in ourselves and future generations.

    • Screens shape children's attention and learningRecognize screens' impact on children's development, manage screen time effectively, and prioritize interactive activities over passive screen time.

      Screens are not just passive tools for children but active shapers of their attention and learning capabilities. Parents and educators need to be aware of this and take an active role in managing screen time and the content children are exposed to. The constant stimulation provided by screens can make it difficult for children to focus on other activities and may even contribute to addictive behaviors. Studies show that interactive activities like reading with a parent or caregiver can be more effective in engaging children's language and cognitive abilities compared to passive screen time. It's important to recognize that screens are not babysitters, but tools that can have a significant impact on the development of young minds.

    • Parents' constant screen usage impacts children's development negativelyParents' excessive use of screens can disrupt children's learning and teach them prioritize technology over face-to-face interaction.

      The constant use of screens by both parents and children can negatively impact children's development by providing a model of inattentiveness and disrupting the interactive reading experience. Walter Benjamin's idea that boredom sparks creativity is replaced in today's world with a need for constant hyperstimulation. Parents, who are often just as addicted to their screens as their children, can unintentionally teach their kids to prioritize technology over face-to-face interaction. Research shows that reading on screens in a scanning or scrolling manner reduces the ability to comprehend and sequence details and monitor comprehension, which can hinder children's learning. It's crucial for parents to be aware of their own screen usage and strive to model good uses of technology and time.

    • The Impact of Text Formats on Comprehension and RecallRecognizing the advantages and disadvantages of physical books and digital text is crucial for effective comprehension and recall. While digital text offers searchability and portability, physical books aid in creating spatial memory and navigating complex information.

      The way we consume text, whether it's physical books or digital formats like Kindle, significantly impacts our comprehension and ability to recall important details. While digital text offers advantages like searchability and portability, the physicality of books aids in creating a spatial memory that helps us navigate and recall information more effectively. However, our reliance on digital text and the ephemeral nature of scrolling may contribute to the loss of important details, especially in complex plots or arguments. As we navigate this hinge moment between analog and digital cultures, it's crucial to recognize both the advantages and disadvantages of each format and find ways to maximize their benefits while minimizing their drawbacks.

    • Rediscovering deep reading skillsMeditate, read deeply, and immerse in imagination daily for a deeper connection with texts.

      We should focus less on the information we consume and more on the states of mind we're cultivating through the process of reading. The metaphor of a "Jack in the brain" that instantly downloads knowledge is a misguided one. Instead, we should value the time spent wrestling with ideas, the feelings elicited, and the contemplation that leads to insight. To rediscover deep reading skills, consider implementing bookends to your day. Begin with a daily meditation and reading session, and end with an immersive activity that transports you to the world of imagination, away from screens. This routine can help center your thinking, clear your mind, and foster a deeper connection with the texts you engage with.

    • Creating a secret corner for deep reading and self-reflectionMake time for deep reading and self-reflection, create a quiet space, and balance print and digital media in early childhood education for optimal cognitive development

      Deep reading and self-reflection are essential practices for personal growth, but finding the time and the right environment for them can be challenging. The speaker emphasizes the importance of creating a secret corner in one's day for deep reading or other activities that help us remember who we are and connect with our best selves. She also proposes the idea of a biliterate brain, which refers to the parallel use of digital and print media in early childhood education. The goal is to surround children with print as the primary medium in their formative years, while also introducing digital technologies in a complementary way. By doing so, we can help children develop critical thinking, empathy, and cognitive capacities that will serve them well in the future. Ultimately, the key is to find a balance between the two and make deep reading and self-reflection a priority, no matter how busy our lives may be.

    • Understanding the purpose of reading and adapting accordinglyBoth print and digital reading have merits, but understanding the task and purpose can help determine which method to use. Adapt to deep reading for print and skimming for digital, take notes, and consider books like 'Gilead,' 'World in Town,' and 'Standing by Words' for insightful reading.

      Both print and digital reading have their merits, and it's essential to use them purposefully, especially when teaching children to read deeply on screens. The key is to understand the purpose of the reading and adapt accordingly. For adults, it's crucial to recognize the distinction between skimming and focused reading and to use the appropriate method based on the task at hand. Additionally, taking notes and physically writing down information can help improve memory and comprehension. As for recommendations, Marilyn Robinson's "Gilead," Gish Jen's "World in Town," and Wendell Berry's "Standing by Words" are three books that have had a significant impact on the speaker. These works offer valuable insights into understanding different cultures and the importance of contemplation.

    • Staying true to oneself and valuesThe importance of authenticity, staying true to oneself and values, and the impact of authentic recommendations on personal growth.

      The importance of staying true to oneself and one's values, even when faced with challenges or pressure to conform. The guest spoke about the difficulty of choosing her favorite books, but ultimately stayed true to her favorite, Middlemarch, despite potential criticism. This authenticity was appreciated by the host and the audience. Another key takeaway is the power of recommendations and the impact they can have on personal growth. The guest mentioned how she was introduced to a new book, "Reader Come Home" by Mary Anne Wolf, which resonated with her deeply. Overall, this conversation emphasized the importance of staying true to oneself, the value of authentic recommendations, and the joy of discovering new ideas through literature.

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