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    #112: The Scramble to Protect the Elites (Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying DarkHorse Livestream)

    en-usJanuary 22, 2022

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    • Discussing the pandemic, film recommendations, and reflecting on Thich Nhat HanhThe Dark Horse Podcast remains dedicated to insightful discussions on various topics despite the challenges of the past two years, including the pandemic. Join the livestream for a thought-provoking experience and consider joining their Patreon for a more interactive Q&A session.

      Despite the challenges and uncertainties of the past two years, including the ongoing pandemic, the hosts of the Dark Horse Podcast remain committed to providing insightful discussions on various topics. During this livestream, they plan to discuss the rapidly developing story of the pandemic, share film recommendations, and reflect on the passing of Thich Nhat Hanh. It's important to note that there is no video game or virtual reality universe in the works, and punctuation may be a dying art for some younger generations. The hosts encourage viewers to ask questions during the live stream and consider joining their private monthly Q&A sessions on Patreon for a more interactive experience. Overall, the podcast continues to provide thought-provoking content, even as the world around us continues to evolve.

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    • Top-down crisis responses hinder collective problem-solvingDuring crises, overly controlling responses can limit autonomy, stifle effective solutions, and overlook existing treatments and collective medical knowledge.

      During times of crisis, overly top-down and authoritarian responses can strip individuals and professionals of their autonomy and hinder the discovery of effective solutions. The pandemic response, which involved remote bureaucrats interfering with the doctor-patient relationship and restricting access to certain treatments, is an example of this. If doctors had been left to their own devices, they could have pooled information, discovered what works, and improved their responses collectively. It's remarkable that there are almost no officially approved treatments or recommendations for COVID-19, despite the fact that there have been successful protocols developed by doctors around the world. The focus on new, government-approved treatments and vaccines overlooks the potential benefits of existing treatments and the collective intelligence of the medical community.

    • The COVID-19 Debate: Ideology vs. EvidenceRecognize that ideology can cloud judgment in the COVID-19 debate, and open-minded dialogue and consideration of new evidence are crucial for informed decisions.

      The ongoing debate surrounding public health measures and vaccines during the COVID-19 pandemic has exposed the ideological stances of various individuals and organizations. Some people, despite presenting themselves as scientists or intellectuals, are in fact ideologues who refuse to consider new evidence or opposing viewpoints. Meanwhile, others who have been injured by vaccines or skeptical of public health measures are often stigmatized as "anti-vaxxers." However, the tide seems to be turning as the Omicron variant has made it clear that mandates and other restrictive measures are not effective in controlling the spread of the virus. As a result, many mandates are being lifted, and it's becoming increasingly clear that there are other priorities at play beyond public health. It's crucial to recognize that not everyone is an ideologue and that open-minded dialogue and consideration of new evidence are essential for making informed decisions.

    • New voices and narratives emerge to protect elites from reckoningElites seek new narratives to maintain power, while those criticized for opposing public health response jockey for position in the new world order, ultimately to protect elites from accountability.

      The public health response to the COVID-19 pandemic has been unprecedentedly flawed, leading to widespread misery and disease, as well as an unprecedented power grab by elites. However, as the truth about the failures of public health officials begins to surface, these elites are now searching for new voices and narratives to maintain their power. This new middle ground will challenge the public health narrative while also attacking dissenters, creating a race for position in the new world order. Meanwhile, those who were wrongly criticized for opposing the public health response now find themselves in a similar awkward position as the elites, and will also be jockeying for power to shape the narrative and prevent meaningful change. Ultimately, the utility of these new voices is to protect the elite from a reckoning for their past actions.

    • Be cautious who to trust during crisesDuring crises, assess motivations and abilities of those speaking out. Focus on those with evidence and understanding, but be discerning. Don't hold grudges, focus on accurate info and critical thinking.

      During times of crisis or controversy, it's essential to be cautious about who we listen to and trust. The public's desire for an excuse and the elites' self-interest can lead to a scramble for power, resulting in false promises of reform. Those who have been outside the mainstream narrative but have been speaking out with evidence and understanding should be the ones we turn to. However, as more people jump on the bandwagon, it's crucial to assess their motivations and their ability to assess claims. The current narrative's crumbling reveals that many people who claim to assess claims are actually unwilling or incapable of doing so. It's important to sort through the various categories of people and be discerning in who we trust. The profit motive and the desire for middle ground positions can lead to insincere actions. When people come to us with newfound understanding, it's not necessary to hold grudges or demand apologies. Instead, we should focus on moving forward with accurate information and critical thinking.

    • Acknowledging changes and being authenticBeing honest and authentic, even when it means admitting past mistakes or changes in position, is essential for building trust and effective relationships. Recognizing and respecting gender differences in competitive styles can lead to better communication and conflict resolution.

      Honesty and doing the right thing are fundamental, especially when it comes to acknowledging changes in our positions. It's important to be authentic and not dig up old tweets or statements to misrepresent our past. The right thing also means not wagging fingers at those who got it right, but rather focusing on making things right for everyone involved. Additionally, understanding the differences in competitive styles between men and women and acknowledging their existence can lead to more effective communication and conflict resolution. In modern times, we often fail to recognize covert competition in women, leading to misunderstandings and gaslighting. It's crucial to recognize and respect these differences to build stronger and more equitable relationships.

    • Comparing modern emotions to outdated responsesModern emotions like vengeance may not be the best response in modern circumstances. Instead, it's often better to remain level-headed and rely on regulated systems to maintain order.

      Our modern emotions, such as the desire for vengeance, can be compared to outdated responses like panic. While these emotions were adaptive in the past, they may not be the best response in modern circumstances. Instead, it's often better to remain level-headed and solve problems thoughtfully. Vengeance, for instance, can be seen as a form of spite, which is necessary to maintain social order. However, in modern society, it's more effective to delegate our desire for vengeance to institutions like law enforcement and prisons. The idea is to minimize the need for individual violence and instead rely on regulated systems to maintain order. Additionally, there's a growing concern about the impact of current practices, such as mask mandates, on children. The lengthy debates and lack of consideration for opposing viewpoints in some situations can be dehumanizing and damaging to their development. It's crucial to acknowledge the potential consequences of our actions and make informed decisions based on the best available information.

    • The COVID-19 Pandemic: A Justification for Tyranny and Harm to ChildrenThe COVID-19 response infringed on individual rights, harmed children through prolonged masking, and was potentially a deliberate manipulation of the population. We must learn from this experience to prevent similar occurrences in the future.

      The COVID-19 pandemic served as an excuse for tyranny and the infringement of individual rights, causing significant harm to children due to prolonged masking. While some may argue that this was necessary, the speaker believes that the damage cannot be undone and that it's essential to learn from this experience to prevent similar occurrences in the future. The speaker also challenges the notion that pandemics are imminently likely to arise from contact with wildlife and argues that the response to COVID-19 was a deliberate manipulation of the population. Lastly, the speaker reflects on the concept of forgiveness and the evolution of human societies, suggesting that the urge for vengeance can be lessened through understanding and enlightenment.

    • Moving Forward: Acknowledging Past Mistakes and Learning from ThemTo progress, it's essential to acknowledge past mistakes, understand underlying motivations, and learn from them to avoid repeating them in the future.

      For individuals and society as a whole to move forward from current events, a reckoning is necessary. This means being honest with oneself about past beliefs and actions, recognizing mistakes, and learning from them. The alternative is continuing in a cycle of defensive reactions and repeating past mistakes. The focus should be on understanding the underlying motivations and cultural conditions that led to the current situation, rather than placing blame on specific individuals or groups. This requires a willingness to look inward and acknowledge past errors, as well as preventing those in power from continuing harmful practices. Ultimately, this process will lead to growth and progress, allowing individuals and society to avoid repeating past mistakes and move towards a better future.

    • Achieving truth and reconciliation involves granting amnesty for truth and addressing past actionsHonesty, accountability, and understanding past actions are crucial for truth and reconciliation. Amnesty can be granted for truth, but individuals must recognize and learn from their mistakes to prevent recurrence.

      Truth and reconciliation require honesty and accountability, even if it's uncomfortable. This process involves granting amnesty in exchange for truth, allowing us to understand past actions and prevent them from happening again. It's essential to address the actions of those who facilitated public messaging, as they can be evasive about their past claims. This process is compared to quitting a difficult habit, where the hardship is not an argument against change but a reason to make it sooner. Religious doctrine also supports this concept, emphasizing confession and redemption. The goal is to prevent the recurrence of harmful actions, making it crucial for those who were unwittingly used as tools to recognize and learn from their mistakes. However, it's unacceptable for individuals to play the situation strategically for personal gain, especially when many lives have been destroyed and economies devastated. The focus should be on the vast majority of people who need help coming to terms with their past and shaping a better future.

    • Actions reveal true values during a crisisPeople's actions during a crisis show their true character. Apologies for past mistakes can provide insight, but motivations should be considered. Following science and taking responsibility for consequences is crucial.

      The actions people take during a crisis reveal their true values. A person's apology and acknowledgement of their mistakes, even if they occurred years ago, can provide valuable insight into their character. However, it's important to remember that not everyone's motivations are pure, and some may only apologize when it's safe to do so. The recent reversal of vaccine mandates by companies and governments serves as a reminder of the importance of following the science and taking responsibility for the consequences of our actions. Those who tried to warn others about potential harm and were ignored deserve acknowledgement and apologies. While it's understandable that people may make mistakes, it's crucial to do some soul-searching and learn from them. The statute of limitations for accountability may be debated, but the importance of acknowledging and learning from past mistakes remains.

    • Functional and scientific illiteracy in analyzing complex issuesDisappointment in the lack of scientific analysis and critical thinking among some individuals, leading to misinformed decisions and blame-shifting during the pandemic

      The current situation highlights the functional illiteracy and scientific illiteracy of many people when it comes to analyzing complex issues. Some individuals, despite appearing knowledgeable, failed to engage in critical thinking and relied on emotional responses or dogma rather than facts and scientific evidence. The Atlantic article "The Silent Vaccinated Impatient Majority" exemplifies this issue, as it blames those who didn't get vaccinated for the ongoing pandemic, disregarding the waning efficacy of the vaccines. The speaker expresses disappointment in the chattering classes and the intelligentsia for their lack of engagement in scientific analysis and their inability to separate fact from fear tactics. This situation underscores the importance of fostering a culture of scientific literacy and critical thinking to make informed decisions.

    • Questionable practices in pharmaceutical industryFilms like 'The Constant Gardener' and 'Dallas Buyers Club' expose the moral ambiguity of the pharmaceutical industry's actions in developing countries, where people's lives are put at risk for profit and access to treatment.

      The pharmaceutical industry, as depicted in films like "The Constant Gardener" and "Dallas Buyers Club," has been involved in questionable practices, particularly in developing countries. These practices include industry-funded clinical trials that put people's lives at risk for the sake of profit and access to treatment. The films reveal a disturbing pattern of corporations becoming desensitized to the harm caused by their decisions and operating under a utilitarian metric that allows for terrible things to happen. The scale of these issues was brought to light in the WikiLeaks release of US State Department cables involving Pfizer and Nigeria, which inspired "The Constant Gardener." The films serve as cautionary tales, reminding us that the reality of these medical capers is often far more complex and morally ambiguous than the Hollywood versions. The AIDS crisis, as depicted in "Dallas Buyers Club," offers another example of this, with corporations and regulatory bodies prioritizing profits over people's lives. These films challenge us to grapple with the ethical implications of these industries' actions and to demand greater transparency and accountability.

    • Appreciate the present moment like we're on the moonCherish each day with gratitude and mindfulness, finding happiness in simple things, and inspiring others to do the same.

      We should cherish and appreciate the present moment, just like if we were stranded on the moon with only a few days left to live. Thich Nhat Hanh, a Buddhist monk who passed away at the age of 95, emphasized the importance of enjoying every step we take on Earth and finding happiness in the simple things around us. Even seemingly insignificant things, like a housefly, can be miraculous if we take the time to appreciate them. We should strive to live each day with gratitude and mindfulness, and not let fear and anger control our emotions. The conditions of happiness are abundant in the present moment, and we can find them in the simplest things, like our own body and the environment. By practicing mindfulness and appreciation, we can inspire others to do the same and live happier, more fulfilling lives.

    • Appreciating the sources of happinessMindfulness practice helps us recognize and appreciate the present conditions of happiness, shifting perspective from negative emotions to gratitude and joy.

      We often overlook the wonders and sources of happiness that are already present in our lives. Our good eyesight, a healthy heart, and even the simple act of breathing are often taken for granted. Mindfulness practice can help us recognize and appreciate these conditions of happiness, bringing us out of negative emotions and into a state of gratitude and joy. This perspective shift can be particularly powerful in difficult moments, reminding us of the importance of the present moment and the potential for change. The story of Heather's boat accident illustrates this, as the uncertainty and fear surrounding her injury brought the speaker to a heightened appreciation for her loved one's survival and the simple fact of their presence. Overall, mindfulness practice can help us tune into the sources of happiness in our lives and appreciate them for the wonders that they are.

    • Surviving a Personal Crisis and the PandemicThe pandemic is not just about the virus, but about the systems and people in power that allowed it to happen. Stay vigilant and react accordingly to prevent another crisis.

      The speaker is drawing parallels between her personal experience of survival and the current public health crisis. She feels a sense of urgency and vigilance, as if she needs to communicate the truth and prevent things from getting worse. The speaker believes that the pandemic is not just about the virus itself, but about the systems and people in power that allowed the situation to unfold. She sees relief in the fact that the narrative around the pandemic is coming apart, but also feels a visceral anxiety without the physical pain she experienced during her personal crisis. The speaker believes that people need to understand the potential danger and react accordingly to prevent another crisis from arising.

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    Third Man Syndrome and Shackleton: https://twitter.com/brianroemmele/status/1785827941718614291

    Clearer skies may be accelerating global warming: https://www.science.org/content/article/clearer-skies-may-be-accelerating-global-warming
     
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    Nature editorial: What happens when climate change and the mental-health crisis collide? https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00993-x

    Animation about mental health and climate change: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/grantham/publications/all-publications/the-impact-of-climate-change-on-mental-health-and-emotional-wellbeing-current-evidence-and-implications-for-policy-and-practice.php

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    Rodríguez-Montes et al 2023. Sex-biased gene expression across mammalian organ development and evolution. Science 382(6670), p.eadf1046: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adf1046

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