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    #122 Retroactive Cancelation & Rights of Passage (Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying DarkHorse Livestream)

    en-usApril 09, 2022

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    • Exploring diverse topics and engaging with their audienceThe Dark Horse Podcast discusses various topics, including coming of age stories and progressive values, and engages with their audience by encouraging subscriptions and selling merchandise, while experiencing technical issues.

      The Dark Horse Podcast, which started in March 2020 during the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic, has discussed various topics over the past two years, including coming of age stories from different cultures and the potential risks of progressive values. The hosts, Dr. Brett Weinstein and Dr. Heather Heine, also mentioned the possibility of a Gen X revolution and changes to their streaming schedule. They encouraged viewers to subscribe to their channels, join their Patreons for exclusive content, and check their subscriptions on YouTube due to unusual viewer numbers. The podcast's book, "A Hunter-Gatherer's Guide to the 21st Century," has been successful, and they sell merchandise on their store. The hosts also mentioned experiencing technical issues, such as thoughtcrime glitches. Overall, the Dark Horse Podcast continues to explore diverse topics and engage with their audience.

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      Serendipity plays a significant role in expanding our knowledge and broadening our perspectives. This was exemplified by the speaker's recent experience of revisiting an old essay and discovering new ideas, facilitated by a beautiful summer day and the opportunity to meander through ideas and thoughts. Serendipity can be planned for and can lead to discoveries that may not have been possible otherwise. The speaker also highlighted the importance of Sole, a sustainable orthopedic footwear company, in promoting foot health and mobility. Sole's shoes and footbeds provide structure and comfort, and the company's recycling program adds to their eco-friendly appeal. The speaker shared her personal experience of wearing Sole footwear and the positive impact it had on her feet. Overall, the speaker's discussion emphasized the importance of being open to new experiences and discoveries, and the role that companies like Sole can play in enhancing our daily lives.

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    • 8 words: Challenges to Free Speech and ExpressionDespite facing obstacles from 'woke mobs' and YouTube's labeling and demonetization, creators remain committed to sharing perspectives and challenging mainstream narratives, adapting to new ways of making a living, and standing up for free speech and expression.

      The creators of this podcast have faced challenges in their careers, first from a "woke mob" that drove them out of academia, and more recently from YouTube's labeling and demonetization of their content due to sponsored ads. Despite these obstacles, they remain committed to sharing their perspectives and challenging mainstream narratives. They believe in transparency and clearly labeling sponsored content, but find YouTube's labeling disruptive and accusatory. The creators have had to adapt to new ways of making a living, and despite YouTube's actions, they continue to find an audience for their content. They view these challenges as part of a larger trend of interference in free speech and expression, and remain determined to continue their work.

    • The importance of clear communication and transparency in scientific researchIncomplete understanding of study methods and lack of transparency can lead to inaccurate conclusions and hinder scientific progress

      The reliability and transparency of scientific research are crucial. Last week, we discussed the controversial results of the Together trial regarding Ivermectin's effectiveness against COVID-19. We learned that the initial conclusion of ineffectiveness, which we reported, was based on an incomplete understanding of the study's methods. Since then, several experts have pointed out irregularities and potential dangers in the trial's design and execution. These issues make it difficult for researchers to replicate the study and understand its conclusions. Such situations highlight the importance of clear communication and transparency in scientific research. It is essential that the methods and results are accurately reported and accessible to ensure the integrity and progress of scientific knowledge.

    • Bureaucratic obstacles to effective scientific communicationClear communication is essential for scientific progress. Bureaucratic hurdles can hinder the dissemination of research findings, potentially leading to misunderstandings or delays. Scientists must prioritize transparency to ensure their work is understood and validated by both the scientific community and the public.

      Effective communication is a crucial aspect of the scientific process. The speaker shares an experience of encountering bureaucratic obstacles while trying to obtain permits for scientific research. These obstacles can hinder the ability to clearly convey the objectives and findings of the study. The speaker also discusses the importance of transparency and the potential consequences of failing to communicate effectively. A study, even if published in a reputable journal, can still be delayed or misunderstood if the methods and findings are not clearly presented. Communication is necessary not only for the scientific community to scrutinize and validate the research, but also for the public to understand its implications. The speaker emphasizes that scientists should prioritize clear communication as an integral part of their work, and that the scientific process relies on this transparency to progress.

    • The importance of being aware of small details for health and productivityBeing mindful of allergens, pollen seasons, and ingredients in supplements can significantly impact our health and productivity. Clear labeling is essential to prevent unintentional consumption of allergens or harmful substances.

      Even small details, such as pollen seasons or ingredients in supplements, can significantly impact our health and productivity. The speaker shared her personal experience of dealing with allergies and the discovery of a hidden wheat allergy through her supplements. She emphasized the importance of being aware of such details and advocated for clear labeling to prevent unintentional consumption of allergens or harmful substances. The speaker also touched upon the complexity of scientific research and the importance of formal requests for extensions when necessary. Despite the unexpected detour into discussing pollen and allergies, the underlying theme remained the significance of paying attention to seemingly insignificant details for overall well-being.

    • Maximizing Vitamin D Production Based on Location and TimeUnderstanding your location's sunlight conditions and optimizing exposure can impact the total amount of Vitamin D your body produces. Apps like Deminder can help determine the best window for sun exposure, while supplementation may be necessary for those living in areas with limited sunlight.

      Understanding the production of Vitamin D based on your location and the time of year is crucial for maintaining adequate levels of this essential nutrient. For those living in areas with limited sunlight, an app like Deminder can help determine the window for producing Vitamin D through sun exposure. However, supplementation may be necessary for those living above a certain latitude due to the limited production during certain seasons. The amount of Vitamin D produced depends on factors such as latitude, altitude, and the amount of skin exposed. The longer the window for production, the more Vitamin D can be stored for use during periods when sunlight is insufficient. Overall, being aware of the production timeline and maximizing exposure during optimal conditions can significantly impact the total amount of Vitamin D your body can produce.

    • Understanding our bodies' needs and environment's impactRecognizing our bodies' needs and how they change with seasons and climates can lead to better health and intentionality in exposure to sunlight.

      Our bodies have inherent needs that are influenced by our environment, and these needs can have significant impacts on our health and well-being. For instance, during winter months when days are shorter and colder, our bodies crave warmth and sunlight, which can lead us to vacation in tropical areas. However, exposure to sunlight requires intentionality, especially for those with fair skin, to avoid sunburns and ensure adequate vitamin D production. Additionally, vitamin D production is possible all year round in tropical areas, which may explain why flu is less prevalent there. The hypothesis is that during periods of high heat and humidity, people may retreat to cooler environments, leading to potential vitamin D deficiencies. Furthermore, it's essential to recognize the differences in seasons and climates around the world and understand their implications. For example, those living in colder areas will experience shorter and darker winters than those in warmer areas. Overall, understanding our bodies' needs and how they are influenced by our environment can lead to better health and well-being. It's crucial to be intentional about our exposure to sunlight, especially during winter months, and to recognize the simple patterns that come with living in different parts of the world.

    • Exploring the impact of natural seasons and phenology on our perception of timeDirect observation and engagement with nature fosters awareness of seasonal changes and deepens our connection to the environment, while long-term records help track the impact of invasive species on phenology.

      Our connection to the natural world and its seasonal changes can significantly impact our awareness and understanding of time. This was discussed in relation to the changing lengths of days and nights throughout the year, as well as the observation of phenological events, such as the timing of plant blooms and animal migrations. The speaker shared personal experiences of teaching these concepts to students, both elementary and college age, and emphasized the importance of direct observation and engagement with nature to foster this awareness. They also noted the impact of invasive species on phenology and the long-term records that have been kept to track these changes. Overall, the conversation highlighted the value of staying attuned to the natural world and its rhythms as a way to deepen our connection to the environment and better understand the passage of time.

    • The Benefits of Predators in Ecology and EducationIn ecology, predators can stabilize populations and benefit other species. In education, teaching children how to think rather than what to think encourages curiosity and learning.

      In ecology, the presence of a predator population that maintains a stable number can benefit all species involved, even those that may be competitors. This is known as the Volterra predator-prey dynamic. In the context of plants, this means that if an invasive species attracts native pollinators, it can disrupt the calendar of native plant flowering times and force them to adapt. However, if the invasive species does not use native pollinators, it is less likely to have this effect. In education, the idea of teaching children how to think rather than what to think is a common belief. This approach encourages students to figure out what they're interested in and learn the necessary concepts to understand it, rather than being taught a predetermined curriculum. While some argue that a foundation of knowledge is necessary before learning how to think, the proponents of this approach believe that the how and what are interconnected, and that the what will naturally emerge from getting the how right. However, there are limits to this approach, and some topics may require a more traditional teaching method due to their complexity.

    • Understanding the Origins of 'Teach Children How to Think, Not What to Think'Margaret Mead's work emphasized the importance of independent thought and understanding societal challenges, but her observations have faced criticism. It's crucial to critically evaluate information and its sources.

      While the phrase "teach children how to think, not what to think" is commonly interpreted as encouraging independent thought without imposing ideas, it actually originated from anthropologist Margaret Mead's 1928 book "Coming of Age in Samoa." Mead wrote this book in accessible English, unlike the scholarly works of her time that used jargon. She emphasized the importance of understanding the challenges that come with choice in modern societies. However, her work has faced criticism in recent decades, with some anthropologists attempting to retroactively cancel her. A report from someone who went to Samoa decades later found that some of Mead's informants may have given her answers they thought she wanted to hear. This does not necessarily invalidate her work, as logical leaps to that conclusion are erroneous. Mead's observations and interpretations in the book are distinct, and while some parts may be less interesting than others, they provide valuable insights into Samoan culture. Overall, the phrase "teach children how to think, not what to think" can be seen as a call for fostering independent thought, but it is essential to recognize its origins and the importance of critical analysis in evaluating information.

    • Anthropologist Margaret Mead's work and its relevance todayMead's teachings about fostering critical thinking in children and the importance of acknowledging changing opinions in scientific research are still relevant.

      Anthropologist Margaret Mead's work, particularly her book "Coming of Age in Samoa," continues to be relevant today, especially her emphasis on teaching children how to think, not what to think. However, it's important to remember that anthropological research doesn't rely on informants' self-reported views as accurate, especially on sensitive topics like sexuality. Retroactive cancellation, or changing one's opinion about someone's work based on new information or changing societal norms, has been a recurring issue in scientific history. Examples include the cases of Luc Montagnier and Carey Mullis. While it's understandable to change opinions, it's crucial to acknowledge that we're not necessarily dealing with heretics but rather with people who challenge the status quo. Additionally, Michael Moffett's "Coming of Age in New Jersey" serves as a reminder that college experiences can vary greatly, and not everyone needs a traditional 4-year college education.

    • Questioning the Value of CollegeSome argue college is not necessary for everyone and that alternative methods like apprenticeship could provide valuable skills and experiences. Critics suggest college has become a 'pre-adult program' and that traditional coming-of-age rituals could be more effective for transitioning into adulthood.

      The value of a college education is being questioned, with some arguing that valuable skills and experiences could be gained through alternative methods like apprenticeship. The speakers also discussed the idea that college has become a "pre-adult program," and that the lack of clear transitions into adulthood has led to a permanent state of immaturity for many people. They suggested that traditional coming-of-age rituals, like the Amish "running around period," could provide a more effective way for individuals to transition into adulthood and make important decisions about their future. The speakers criticized modern college for failing to serve its purpose and for inculcating students into sophistry, rather than preparing them for the future. They argued that it may not be necessary for everyone to attend college and that keeping the best minds away from it could be beneficial.

    • The Amish Community's Unique Approach to COVID-19The Amish community, despite initial widespread infection, did not shut down or follow public health guidelines due to their beliefs and way of life, leading to a debate on the effectiveness of their approach and the implications of their choice to reject technology and advancements.

      The Amish community, known for their separation from modern society and rejection of institutions like government, education, and healthcare, faced the COVID-19 pandemic with unique approaches. Despite their initial exposure leading to widespread infection during communal gatherings, they chose not to shut down completely or follow public health guidelines. Their decision was rooted in their beliefs and way of life. The outcome was a debate on whether their approach was right, as there seems to be no clear evidence of more deaths among the Amish compared to places with stricter measures. This raises intriguing questions about the Amish community's decision to opt out of technology and the advancements it brings, and whether their choice to face the pandemic without masks, staying at home, or much vaccination was worth it.

    • A departure from individual freedoms during the pandemic by the American leftThe left's response to the pandemic with restrictive measures disproportionately affected the working class, marking a significant shift from their historical stance on freedom. A more nuanced approach considering individual circumstances is recommended.

      The response to the COVID-19 pandemic, particularly from the American left, has been a significant departure from the historical fight for individual freedoms. This academic piece, "How the Organized Left Got COVID Wrong," argues that the left embraced restrictive public health measures, such as lockdowns, vaccine mandates, and censorship, which primarily impacted the working class. The author contends that the left's actions were a volte face, or a complete reversal, from their traditional stance on freedom. The piece suggests that if we had approached the pandemic more organically, allowing doctors to discover what treatments worked best, the outcomes could have been different. Ultimately, the author argues for a more nuanced approach to public health policies, considering factors like age and individual circumstances.

    • Comparing COVID-19 Policies to Historical EventsAcknowledging past mistakes and fostering open dialogue are crucial in navigating current challenges, despite differences from historical events. Suppressing dissenting voices and undermining critical analysis have potential consequences.

      We are in the midst of a contentious debate regarding COVID-19 policies, particularly vaccine mandates, and the potential comparisons being drawn to historical events, such as the Nuremberg Code. Some argue that these comparisons are unwarranted, while others see striking similarities. The speaker emphasizes the importance of acknowledging and learning from past mistakes, even if the current situation is not an exact replica. He also highlights the potential consequences of suppressing dissenting voices and the ongoing efforts to undermine critical analysis. The speaker also discusses the moral obligation to reject immoral orders and the potential implications of current policies on this principle. Overall, the conversation underscores the significance of open dialogue and historical reflection in navigating current challenges.

    • Disregard for informed consent in vaccination policiesPolicies forcing vaccines without informed consent risk job loss, violating Nuremberg principles and potentially leading to tragic consequences.

      The current policy of firing people from various institutions for resisting vaccines is creating compliant populations in police forces, military, universities, hospitals, and other sectors. This undermines the principles established during the Nuremberg trials, specifically the requirement for informed consent. The mRNA vaccines, which are being administered on a large scale, are essentially an experiment due to the lack of comprehensive data on their risks and side effects. The informed consent process, which was a crucial outcome of the Nuremberg trials, is being disregarded, and those who object based on this concern risk losing their jobs. The Oregon Health Authority's questionnaire about vaccinations is another example of the lack of transparency and potential data collection, further eroding trust in the vaccination process. These developments are extremely dangerous and could lead to a tragic chapter in history. It is essential that we recognize this and resist with all our resources.

    • Vaccine hesitancy and cryptocurrencies: Diverse perspectives and open discussion matterVaccine hesitancy persists due to side effects, perceived ineffectiveness, and unclear messaging. Cryptocurrencies continue to spark debate, illustrating the importance of diverse viewpoints.

      The gap between the number of Oregonians who are fully vaccinated versus boosted raises concerns for public health messaging and compliance. People's experiences with vaccine side effects, perceived ineffectiveness, and the lack of a clear message about new vaccines have contributed to vaccine hesitancy. The ongoing debate around Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies, with figures like Elon Musk and Peter Thiel voicing their opinions, highlights the importance of allowing diverse perspectives and open discussion. The increasing influence of older generations in various domains, as seen in the tech industry and politics, could signal a shift towards Gen X rising and challenging established norms.

    • Gen Xers pushing back against gerontocracyGen Xers, disillusioned with current state of affairs, may bring nuanced, thoughtful change

      There's a growing group of Gen Xers who are becoming increasingly influential and are pushing back against the current gerontocracy in power. This trend was highlighted by three recent events involving wealthy and powerful individuals from this demographic, suggesting that a shift in power and narrative may be on the horizon. These Gen Xers seem disillusioned with the current state of affairs and are potentially poised to bring about something more nuanced and thoughtful. Keep an eye on this developing trend. Additionally, the speakers mentioned taking a break and encouraged listeners to join their Patreon, subscribe to their Substack, and submit questions. They also reminded everyone to take care of themselves and their loved ones, eat well, and get outside.

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    Mentioned in this episode:

    Laumer et al 2024. Active self-treatment of a facial wound with a biologically active plant by a male Sumatran orangutan. Scientific Reports, 14(1), p.8932. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-58988-7

    County Highway: https://www.countyhighway.com

    Thousands Believe Covid Vaccines Harmed Them. Is Anyone Listening? https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/03/health/covid-vaccines-side-effects.html

    Chris Martenson on the NYT: https://twitter.com/chrismartenson/status/1787602191114526836

    Benn et al 2023. Randomized clinical trials of COVID-19 vaccines: Do adenovirus-vector vaccines have beneficial non-specific effects?. Iscience, 26(5): https://portal.findresearcher.sdu.dk/en/publications/randomized-clinical-trials-of-covid-19-vaccines-do-adenovirus-vec

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    Never Alone: The 223rd Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

    Never Alone: The 223rd Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

    In this 223rd in a series of live discussions with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying (both PhDs in Biology), we talk about the state of the world through an evolutionary lens.

    In this episode, we discuss science and religion, materialism and other ways of understanding our world. Can analysis and quantification explain everything? Can narrative, intuition, and creativity? All are or should be part of the scientific process; science is incomplete with only one mode. We also discuss models, how they fail, how difficult they are to assess, and what one recent climate model has to say about the role of air pollution in Earth’s temperature. Enlightenment values require that we use our freedom to inquire about all things that we are curious about. Also: happy Beltane!

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    Third Man Syndrome and Shackleton: https://twitter.com/brianroemmele/status/1785827941718614291

    Clearer skies may be accelerating global warming: https://www.science.org/content/article/clearer-skies-may-be-accelerating-global-warming
     
    Hodnebrog et al 2024. Recent reductions in aerosol emissions have increased Earth’s energy imbalance. Communications Earth & Environment, 5(1):166: https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-024-01324-8

    Nature editorial: What happens when climate change and the mental-health crisis collide? https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00993-x

    Animation about mental health and climate change: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/grantham/publications/all-publications/the-impact-of-climate-change-on-mental-health-and-emotional-wellbeing-current-evidence-and-implications-for-policy-and-practice.php

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    Find Dr. Lindley on X: @KLVeritas (https://twitter.com/KLVeritas)

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    Why Darwin was Right: The 222nd Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

    Why Darwin was Right: The 222nd Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

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    Kennedy 2023. The Wuhan Cover-Up and the Terrifying Bio-Weapons Arms Race: https://www.skyhorsepublishing.com/9781510773981/the-wuhan-cover-up/

    Kuo et al 2000. Retargeting of coronavirus by substitution of the spike glycoprotein ectodomain: crossing the host cell species barrier. Journal of virology, 74(3):1393-1406: https://journals.asm.org/doi/full/10.1128/jvi.74.3.1393-1406.2000

    Rodríguez-Montes et al 2023. Sex-biased gene expression across mammalian organ development and evolution. Science 382(6670), p.eadf1046: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adf1046

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