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    #130: Coerced Consensus (Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying DarkHorse Livestream)

    en-usJune 11, 2022

    Podcast Summary

    • Productive week conducting Spanish interviews for 'Hunter Gatherer's Guide'Impressed by Spanish culture and professionalism despite language barriers, new shirt coming soon, discussing disinformation on upcoming episode

      Brett and Heather had a productive week, conducting interviews for the Spanish language edition of their book "Hunter Gatherer's Guide," which is now available. They were impressed by the Spanish culture and the professionalism of the journalists they worked with, despite their limited Spanish language skills. They also announced that a new shirt will be available in their store soon, and teased an upcoming discussion on why disinformation is often labeled as information and vice versa. The podcast, which usually includes a Q&A session, did not have one this week due to a plane to catch.

    • Recognizing and Addressing Power Dynamics in Everyday InteractionsUnderstanding and acknowledging differences and power dynamics can help create positive interactions, break cycles of negativity, and navigate modern relationships effectively.

      Our emotions, both positive and negative, are contagious and can be used to create divisions among us. The fear and negativity that have been used to control and manipulate people are particularly contagious and have been weaponized to create greater tribal divisions. However, we have the power to break this cycle by broadcasting positivity and niceness. This is especially important in person interactions, where assumptions and fear can create unnecessary boundaries. Understanding and acknowledging the differences between men and women and recognizing that traditional roles are outdated can help us navigate modern interactions effectively. It's important to be explicit and careful about recognizing and addressing the unique ways that male and female groups negotiate and make decisions together. A story about a friend named George, who was a cyclist and experienced various forms of harassment from people in vehicles, illustrates the importance of recognizing and addressing the power dynamics at play in everyday interactions.

    • Power dynamics in everyday encountersBeing aware of power dynamics and adopting a friendly approach can lead to better interpersonal experiences. Proper nutrition and probiotics contribute to overall well-being.

      Power dynamics can significantly impact interpersonal interactions, even in seemingly mundane situations like a cyclist encountering drivers in a vehicle. The risks involved for each party can set the rules of the encounter, making it more akin to online interactions where power imbalances can be more pronounced. However, as the story of George illustrates, the tables can be turned when the situation allows. In a larger context, being aware of power dynamics and striving for a more welcoming and friendly approach towards others can lead to better experiences in daily life. Additionally, taking care of one's health through proper nutrition and probiotics can contribute to overall well-being.

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      Seed's d s o one daily symbiotic is a unique probiotic and prebiotic supplement that effectively supports gut health and overall wellness. Unlike other probiotics, Seed's proprietary formulation of 24 distinct probiotic strains and protective capsule ensure the bacteria survive the GI tract and reach the colon where they are most effective. MudWTR, a coffee alternative made with mushrooms, herbs, and spices, offers sustained energy without the crash or jitters associated with caffeine. Each ingredient is carefully selected and the product is certified organic, non-GMO, gluten-free, vegan, and kosher. Moink, an 8th generation farmer-founded company, delivers high-quality grass-fed, grass-finished beef and lamb, pastured pork, and wild-caught Alaskan salmon directly to consumers. By choosing Moink, you support small farms and receive delicious, healthy meat. During the discussion, we also touched on the cultural moment we're living in, where consensus and coercion are prevalent, and people may fear expressing differing opinions. The consensus, in this case, could be related to health and wellness, as seen with the promotion of new experimental technologies and the insistence on vaccinations. However, when intense coercion is present, it's essential to question the consensus and consider that it might be wrong. Instead, we should encourage open dialogue and respect diverse opinions.

    • The Influence of Phony ConsensusRecognizing and challenging phony consensus can lead to more authentic and diverse discussions, fostering a more inclusive and nuanced understanding of the world.

      We often fail to recognize the influence of phony consensus in our society, leading us to conform to views that may not align with our own. Neil Oliver and Michael Malone discussed this phenomenon, which seems to be a psychological error or failure to recognize patterns that should be recognizable. This can be seen in various aspects of life, such as purchasing decisions or cultural norms. For instance, a shampoo with a slick advertising campaign might be perceived as superior due to the consensus, even if it's not the best option. Moreover, people are often hesitant to express dissenting opinions due to the fear of being labeled as uncompassionate or out of touch. However, as Michael Shellenberger's work highlights, this can lead to the tyranny of a tiny minority driving culture and policy for the rest of us. This is particularly evident in places like North Portland, where the consensus is seen as a requirement, and those who don't agree are questioned. In practice, opening up to people and expressing your unique perspective can be a powerful tool. In the speaker's experience, it's rare for people to push back on behalf of the consensus. Instead, they might open up and engage in a meaningful conversation. By challenging the phony consensus, we can foster more authentic and diverse discussions, ultimately leading to a more inclusive and nuanced understanding of the world.

    • Businesses advocating for police abolition while employing private securityThe debate around police funding and abolition in Portland has led to a complex situation where some businesses publicly call for police abolition but also hire private security, creating a system of protection only accessible to those who can afford it.

      The debate around police funding and abolition in Portland, Oregon, has led to a complex situation where some businesses are publicly advocating for the abolition of police while also employing private security. This comes as Portland experiences a surge in crime and chaos, despite the city's efforts to defund the police in 2020. The speaker expresses concern that the demonization of police and the belief that they increase crime can lead to a dangerous situation where law enforcement becomes reluctant to enforce the law. The speaker also notes the irony of businesses advocating for the abolition of police while also employing private security, creating a system where protection is only accessible to those who can afford it. Overall, the situation highlights the complexities and unintended consequences of the ongoing debate around police funding and abolition.

    • Understanding the Complexity of Visual Sophistry in Social and Political IssuesBe aware of manipulative posters and approach complex issues with a critical and informed perspective, considering potential consequences and resource allocation.

      The current social and political climate involves complex issues, including power and racial problems, which are meant to serve and be funded by all of us. However, some visual presentations, such as posters advocating for specific causes, can be misleading or manipulative, and it's crucial to approach them with a clear and steady mind. These posters may use visual sophistry, or design and PR tactics, to invite discussions and provoke reactions, but not all of them represent genuine efforts to treat all human beings equally. The real challenge lies in the burden and threshold of proof, as some arguments may not be compelling enough to warrant the allocation of limited resources. It's essential to consider the potential consequences of focusing on certain issues and to question whether the resources could be used more effectively elsewhere. Ultimately, we need to be mindful of the potential pitfalls of visual sophistry and approach complex issues with a critical and informed perspective.

    • Protecting children from adult content is a fundamental rightChildren's protection from adult content, including sex work, is crucial, and the potential harm outweighs any benefits, making it a non-negotiable issue

      Protecting children from being exposed to adult content, including sex work, is a fundamental right that cannot be infringed upon. The potential harm to children outweighs any potential benefits, making it a "slam dunk" argument. This consensus was previously held by all parties until recently, but the argument has been challenged, leading to a perceived shift in societal norms. However, the flawed nature of the argument does not make it valid, and it is essential to recognize and challenge sophistry in arguments to maintain the burden of proof. The presence of adult content, such as burlesque shows or drag brunches, should not be assumed to be appropriate for children, and there is no need to engage in lengthy explanations as to why. Instead, the onus should be on those advocating for such content to provide compelling reasons why it is beneficial for children. Ultimately, there are countless other ways for children to learn and grow, and exposing them to adult content, especially in the realm of sex work, should not be on that list.

    • LGBTQ+ Progress and ControversiesWhile supporting LGBTQ+ rights, it's crucial to consider societal norms and potential exploitation of children and women's rights. Distinguish between mainstream issues and fringe elements, and engage in respectful dialogue on complex topics like reparations.

      The LGBTQ+ community's progress towards acceptance and rights has led to various debates and controversies, particularly regarding the involvement of children and the rights of marginalized groups within the community. The speaker expresses concerns about the potential exploitation of children and the erosion of women's rights. They argue that while it's important to protect and support marginalized communities, it's crucial to differentiate between mainstream issues and fringe elements that may not align with societal norms or values. The speaker also touches on the topic of reparations for trans people, acknowledging that reasonable people can have differing opinions on the matter. Overall, the conversation highlights the complexities and nuances of societal progress and the importance of considering various perspectives.

    • Misunderstanding Trans ReparationsTrans identity is not a lineage, and historical reparations for trans people are a flawed argument due to the fundamental differences between sex and race.

      The argument for reparations for trans people is not applicable due to the fundamental difference between sex and race. Sex is not a lineage, and one's sex identity does not extend back through history. Trans identity, for most people, is a relatively recent development. On the other hand, race carries a lineage component and has been used historically to justify oppression and discrimination. While trans people may face challenges related to their gender identity, the idea that they are entitled to reparations for historical oppression that they did not experience is a flawed argument. This misunderstanding arises from conflating trans identity with trans activism, which is a socially contagious movement. It's essential to recognize these distinctions to foster a more nuanced understanding of these complex issues.

    • Understanding Transsexuals, Transgender, and Gender Nonconforming PeopleTransgender people identify as a gender different from their sex, may seek medical interventions, and should be respected. Gender nonconforming people don't conform to societal expectations and deserve care. Both groups contribute to gender equality progress.

      The distinction between transsexuals, transgender people, and gender nonconforming people, as outlined in the WPATH document, is meaningful and complex. Transsexuals, as the term is often used, does not exist as a category for humans, but transgender people and gender nonconforming people do. Transgender people are those who identify as a gender different from the sex they were assigned at birth and may seek medical interventions to align their bodies with their gender identity. Gender nonconforming people, on the other hand, are those who do not entirely conform to societal expectations of gender roles based on their sex. This category includes individuals who may identify as a gender that is not strictly male or female or may express their gender in ways that do not align with societal norms. The importance of recognizing and providing care for gender nonconforming people should not be underestimated, as it is a sign of progress towards greater gender equality, not a step backwards. Additionally, it was mentioned that puberty blockers are not fully reversible interventions, and it is crucial for healthcare professionals to be well-informed about the realities of these treatments.

    • Interconnectedness and the Fragility of ExistenceOur actions can impact others and the consequences can be far-reaching, just like how jumping on a frozen lake can cause it to crack and put others at risk. Recognize our shared humanity and consider the potential impact of our choices.

      We are all interconnected and our actions can put others at risk, much like people jumping on a vast frozen lake, causing the ice to crack and potentially endangering everyone. The speaker draws an analogy between evolution and economics, suggesting that both processes explore the shapes of containers and reveal what fits and what works. The discussion was sparked by the repeated experience of undergoing COVID tests, which the speaker found to be bureaucratic yet surprisingly efficient. The speaker emphasizes the importance of recognizing our shared humanity and the potential consequences of our actions on others. The image of the frozen lake serves as a powerful metaphor for the fragility and interconnectedness of our existence.

    • Lucrative market for low-quality COVID-19 testingThe current COVID-19 testing market incentivizes poor testing, leading to false negatives and increased virus spread

      The COVID-19 testing market has become a lucrative niche for low-quality, expensive testing services. Despite the importance of accurate testing to control the spread of the virus, the current system incentivizes poor testing rather than high-quality testing. Individuals want negative test results to attend events or travel, creating a competition among testing centers to deliver those results. As a result, false negatives are more likely, increasing the spread of the virus and the circulation of variants. Market forces have failed to prioritize reliable testing, and the current system, which includes testing centers and those profiting from COVID-19, has a perverse incentive to maintain this status quo.

    • Exploiting opportunities in the business worldBusinesses and industries adapt to their circumstances and find ways to thrive, even if it means exploiting inefficiencies or inconsistencies in the system.

      The business world, including the pharmaceutical industry, operates within defined niches, and those that are best able to identify and capitalize on opportunities, even if less glamorous, will ultimately succeed. The speaker uses the example of the COVID testing regime to illustrate this point, suggesting it may be a "racket" where people pay for a rubber-stamped approval rather than an accurate test. This reminded him of his experiences dealing with bureaucracy in developing countries, where individuals in power could be influenced to look the other way for a small fee. The speaker's main point is that businesses and industries will adapt to their circumstances and find ways to thrive, even if it means exploiting inefficiencies or inconsistencies in the system.

    • Economic pressures impact research and drug safetyEconomic incentives can lead to altered lab practices, potentially masking drug risks in animal testing and clinical trials

      Economic pressures can have significant unintended consequences on scientific research and drug safety testing. The evolution of laboratory mouse breeding practices, driven by the economic pressure to produce as many mice as possible, led to mice with longer telomeres and a greater capacity for tissue repair. This, in turn, allowed drugs that might be dangerous to humans to appear safer in animal testing. Similarly, in the case of COVID-19 testing and clinical trials, economic incentives can lead to protocols that prioritize pleasing employers over detecting safety signals, potentially allowing unsafe drugs to make it to market. These examples illustrate how the shape of the container, or the economic system in which research and testing take place, can have real biological consequences.

    • Our environments shape organisms, even in labsUnintended consequences of selectively breeding lab organisms can lead to unexpected outcomes, including the emergence of dangerous viruses. Encouraging discovery of info preventing dangerous drugs and discouraging rubber stamp protocols can help mitigate risks, but changing the system to prioritize public health over corporate interests is challenging.

      Our environments significantly shape the organisms that inhabit them, including those used in laboratories for research. The unintended consequences of selectively breeding or adapting organisms for specific purposes can lead to unexpected outcomes. In the context of laboratory research, this can result in organisms becoming better adapted to the lab environment, potentially leading to unintended consequences or even the emergence of dangerous viruses. To mitigate these risks, it's essential to incentivize the discovery of information that prevents dangerous drugs from emerging and discourage rubber stamp protocols. However, the challenge lies in changing a system that is currently set up to prioritize corporate interests over public health. It's a complex issue, but acknowledging the role of our environments in shaping organisms is a crucial first step towards creating a more responsible and effective research system.

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