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    #188: Play the Hand You Are Dealt (Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying DarkHorse Livestream)

    en-usAugust 23, 2023

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    • Exploring Phenomenology with Doctors Brett and HeatherDoctors Brett Weinstein and Heather Heying discuss the importance of studying patterns and phenomena in living systems through the lens of phenomenology, and invite listeners to join them on various platforms for Q&A sessions and watch parties.

      During this episode of the Dark Horse Podcast, doctors Brett Weinstein and Heather Heying discussed the concept of phenomenology, which is the study of patterns and relevant phenomena in living systems. They mentioned that it's a subset of biology and joked about how it sounds like a scholarly discipline but isn't always. They encouraged listeners to join them on various platforms, including Rumble and Locals, for upcoming Q&A sessions and watch parties. They also shared a cameo message from a fan who compared their influence to that of a musical act called "Relief Band," which is a sponsor of their podcast. The conversation then veered off topic as they discussed various personal experiences, including a firmware update for a motorcycle and a cat that beeped when it went in reverse. Lastly, they introduced their first sponsor, Mindbloom, which offers at-home ketamine therapy for those seeking improvements in mental health and well-being.

    • Improving Lives through Technology and Innovation: Mindbloom for Mental Health and Sundays for Pet NutritionMindbloom connects patients to licensed clinicians for affordable, convenient mental health treatment, while Sundays offers a healthier, human-grade air-dried dog food that dogs love.

      Mindbloom and Sundays offer innovative solutions in their respective fields, providing significant benefits for their users. Mindbloom connects patients to licensed clinicians for more affordable, convenient, and effective mental health treatment. After an online assessment and video consultation, patients receive a customized regimen in the mail. In just four sessions, 89% of clients reported improvements in symptoms of depression and anxiety. Sundays, on the other hand, offers a human-grade air-dried dog food that is far superior to traditional kibble. It preserves nutrients, tastes great, and has no artificial additives. Maddie, a Labrador, even prefers Sundays over her previous high-end kibble. Sundays is easy to prepare and provides a healthier option for your dog. These companies demonstrate how technology and innovation can improve people's lives in various ways, from mental health treatment to pet nutrition. Mindbloom's approach offers a more accessible and effective solution for mental health care, while Sundays provides a healthier and more enjoyable option for your dog's diet. Try Mindbloom for yourself and use the code 'dark horse' for a $100 discount, or visit Sundays for a 35% discount on your first order using the code 'darkhorse'.

    • The Health Benefits of Turmeric and Paleo Valley's Superfood Golden MilkTurmeric, a versatile spice, is scientifically proven to have numerous health benefits. Paleo Valley's Golden Milk offers turmeric with added ginger, cinnamon, black pepper, mushrooms, and coconut milk, enhancing its benefits and making it a delicious way to reduce inflammation, support immune function, and improve digestion.

      Turmeric, a plant long used for its culinary and medicinal properties, is now scientifically proven to have numerous health benefits, including being an antioxidant and anti-inflammatory agent. Paleo Valley's Superfood Golden Milk is a delicious way to consume turmeric, along with other beneficial ingredients like ginger, cinnamon, black pepper, mushrooms, and coconut milk. This product, which is gluten-free, grain-free, soy-free, non-GMO, and made with whole ingredients, is known for reducing inflammation, enhancing cognitive function, supporting immune function, improving digestion, and increasing endurance. Paleo Valley, a family-owned company, is not only passionate about human health but also environmental restoration and animal welfare. Another interesting topic is the recent scientific paper by Du Bois et al. titled "Familial Clonal Hematopoiesis in Long Telomere Syndrome." This paper, which was published in June 2023, provides evidence that long telomeres are associated with an inherited predisposition to cancer, completing the puzzle of the evolutionary theory of senescence. However, this paper was published without any mention of the evolutionary context that creates a complete picture, highlighting the exclusive rise of empiricism over theory in much of modern science. By considering theories and hypotheses before conducting research, scientists can derive more power and meaning from their work.

    • Understanding the larger theoretical context of a scientific discoveryA scientific discovery's importance extends beyond its findings, as it contributes to larger theoretical frameworks. Unrecognized connections can lead to a more comprehensive understanding of a phenomenon.

      The importance of a scientific discovery is not just in the findings themselves, but also in how they fit into the larger theoretical context. Peter Weinstein, an evolutionary biologist, attempted to share this context with the New England Journal of Medicine after they published a significant paper on telomeres and aging. Weinstein believed that the authors had unknowingly tested a theory he and his colleague elucidated in 2002, which would increase the importance of their paper. However, the New England Journal of Medicine was not interested in publishing Weinstein's letter, citing limited space. Despite this setback, Weinstein emphasizes the significance of this discovery, which provides a unified, mechanistic, and Darwinian explanation for aging. From Medawar's initial hypothesis in 1952 to the empirical demonstration of this theory, we now have a clear answer to the deep question of why we grow feeble and inefficient with age.

    • British biologist Peter Medawar's theory on why aging evolvesMedawar's 'Weak Selection Hypothesis' suggests that selection sees late life less clearly than early life, leading to late-life pathologies. Williams' concept of trade-offs explains how genes can have benefits early in life but costs later, requiring balance between youthful vigor and longevity.

      That British biologist Peter Medawar proposed a theory in 1952, based on a thought experiment with test tubes, to explain why aging or senescence should evolve. His argument was that as objects without intrinsic degradation, like test tubes, diminish in number over time due to attrition, characteristics that negatively impact an object later in life become less significant because fewer objects are around to experience them. Medawar's theory, known as the "Weak Selection Hypothesis," suggests that selection sees late life less clearly than early life, leading to the evolution of late-life pathologies that are too far removed from selection's ability to address them. However, Medawar's theory does not fully explain the pattern of senescence observed in animals, as degradation begins early in life. George Williams, building on Medawar's work in 1957, introduced the concept of trade-offs in the evolution of aging. He argued that genes, which often have multiple functions, can result in beneficial traits early in life but come with costs later in life. The balance between youthful vigor and longevity is crucial, and selection deals with these trade-offs based on the individual's risk factors. Together, Medawar's and Williams' theories provide a foundation for understanding the evolution of aging.

    • Theory of Antagonistic Pleiotropy and AgingWilliams' theory suggests that genes beneficial in youth but harmful in old age increase survival chances, leading to aging as a self-exacerbating problem due to increased vulnerability to predators and illness

      George C. Williams' theoretical model of evolution suggests that genes that benefit an organism in its early life, even if they have negative effects later in life, are more likely to be selected due to the limited survival rate of older organisms. This phenomenon, known as antagonistic pleiotropy, has been observed in various species, with creatures in safer environments living longer due to the extended selection for longevity. However, the prediction of this theory that the genome would be full of such genes was a mystery when Williams wrote his paper in the late 1950s, as no such genes had been discovered yet. This led to the idea that trade-offs between different traits allow us to understand various phenomena, including aging. Additionally, Williams proposed that senescence is a self-exacerbating problem, as the weakening of an organism due to aging increases its likelihood of being picked off by predators or falling ill, further reducing its chances of reaching an advanced age. This creates a positive feedback loop, making it more likely for organisms to start aging earlier in life. While this is not the only way for a creature to exist, it is a common pattern observed in many species.

    • The Hayflick limit and telomeres: Understanding the connection between cell division and agingThe Hayflick limit, discovered by Lenny Hayflick, revealed that cells cannot divide indefinitely due to telomere shortening. Telomerase, an enzyme that adds telomere sequences, may hold the key to reversing the aging process, but its potential uses are controversial within the scientific community.

      The discovery of the Hayflick limit, which is the point at which cells stop dividing, was a significant finding in the field of cell biology. Lenny Hayflick's research showed that cells do not divide indefinitely, even with optimal conditions. This discovery had implications for our understanding of aging and the body's ability to repair and maintain itself. However, the mechanism behind the Hayflick limit was not fully understood until the discovery of telomeres and telomerase. Telomeres are repetitive sequences at the ends of chromosomes that protect them from being recognized as damaged and undergo repair. With each cell division, telomeres shorten, and cells eventually reach a point where they can no longer divide. The discovery of telomerase, an enzyme that can add telomere sequences to chromosomes, opened up new possibilities for understanding the aging process and potentially reversing it. However, the scientific community was divided, with some researchers focusing on turning off telomerase to treat cancer and others focusing on turning it on to reverse aging. Despite their shared interest in the enzyme, these two groups of researchers were not communicating with each other.

    • The Reserve Capacity Hypothesis explains the trade-off between tumor suppression and tissue repair as the underlying cause of senescence.The Reserve Capacity Hypothesis proposes that longer telomeres increase repair capacity but also lead to tissue function degradation, while shorter telomeres increase tumor resistance. Evolutionary pressures determine the balance between these opposing effects, leading to senescence.

      The authors of a 2002 paper published in Experimental Gerontology proposed the Reserve Capacity Hypothesis to explain the trade-off between tumor suppression and tissue repair as the underlying cause of senescence. According to this hypothesis, in vertebrates, a telomeric fail-safe inhibits tumor formation but also leads to tissue function degradation with age. This antagonistic pleiotropia is driven by evolutionary pressures, with longer telomeres increasing repair capacity and shorter telomeres increasing tumor resistance. The authors suggest that in environments with high extrinsic mortality, selection for longer telomeres and tissue repair is weaker, leading to increased tumor suppression. Conversely, in iteroparous organisms, selection tends to coordinate rates of senescence between tissues, and senescent decline may result from both uncompensated cellular attrition and increasing histological entropy. The authors also argue that drug safety tests may fail to detect damage caused by certain drugs due to the heart's low capacity for repair and the conspicuous nature of heart failure. Overall, the Reserve Capacity Hypothesis provides a framework for reconciling various models of aging and offers insights into the evolutionary origins and modern implications of the trade-off between tumor suppression and tissue repair.

    • Aging as an epigenetic process: renaming histological entropy to epigenetic entropyThe concept of aging as a loss of cellular identity and organization, an epigenetic phenomenon, was first proposed in 1998 but should have been named epigenetic entropy. Understanding this process provides a unified explanation for aging, involving a trade-off between longevity and youthful vigor, influenced by both mechanistic and evolutionary factors.

      The concept of histological entropy, which refers to the degradation of body tissues and loss of organization as we age, should have been named epigenetic entropy in a 1998 paper. This is because the body's aging process involves a loss of information about cellular identity and organization, which is an epigenetic phenomenon. The term histological entropy is still relevant as it describes the observable manifestations of this epigenetic process. The importance of this discovery is that it provides a unified explanation for why organisms age, as it involves a trade-off between longevity and youthful vigor, and is influenced by both mechanistic and evolutionary factors. This idea builds on decades of research, from Peter Medawar's 1952 talk to the work of modern scientists like David Sinclair. Ultimately, this research shows that aging is a complex process that requires a multidisciplinary approach to fully understand.

    • Reluctance to acknowledge medical breakthroughsDespite ethical and psychological complexities, uterine transplants offer an alternative to surrogacy or donor eggs for women dealing with infertility, allowing them to carry a baby to term and improve their quality of life.

      The history of medical discoveries and advancements often involves long-standing debates and challenges. For instance, the New England Journal of Medicine's reluctance to acknowledge the significance of a 70-year-old story about a medical breakthrough is a reminder of the territorial nature and potential limitations of the scientific community. Another intriguing development in the medical world is the progress being made in uterine transplants. This procedure, which allows women without uteruses to carry a baby to term, is still in its experimental stages but has shown promising results, with several successful live births. Despite the ethical and psychological complexities, uterine transplants offer an alternative to other methods, such as surrogacy or donor eggs, for women dealing with absolute infertility. The ultimate goal is to achieve a successful pregnancy, after which the uterus is removed to minimize long-term side effects. This transitory procedure represents a significant step forward in improving the quality of life for women who would otherwise be unable to bear children.

    • Uterus transplants: A temporary solution to carrying a pregnancyUterus transplants offer an alternative for individuals without a functional uterus to carry a pregnancy, but the process raises ethical and emotional considerations due to its temporary nature and potential long-term effects.

      The discussion around uterine transplants challenges the traditional definition of a transplant. Unlike a typical transplant where an organ is permanently placed in the body of a recipient, a uterus transplant is a temporary solution for individuals who lack a functional uterus to carry a pregnancy. The process involves the recipient adapting to the new organ, achieving pregnancy through IVF, and ultimately giving birth. However, this highly medicalized process raises questions about the naturalness of the experience and the potential emotional impact of losing the transplanted organ. Additionally, the long-term endocrinological effects of the loss of the organ and the potential impact on lactation are unclear. The uterus transplant process challenges our understanding of what constitutes a transplant and raises ethical and emotional considerations.

    • Impact of cesarean sections and technological interventions on pregnancy and lactationCesarean sections and technological interventions may affect natural hormonal processes during pregnancy, potentially impacting lactation and the overall health of the baby. Ethical considerations surrounding their use are important to consider.

      The hormonal processes and experiences during pregnancy are complex and natural, and cesarean sections (C-sections) may not fully replicate these processes, potentially impacting lactation and the overall health of the baby. Additionally, there are ethical considerations surrounding the use of technology and medical interventions, such as uterine transplants for trans women, which raise questions about what constitutes a "natural" pregnancy experience. It's important to consider the potential consequences of these interventions on both the individual and societal levels. Furthermore, the definitions and understanding of transgender identity continue to evolve, and it's crucial to approach these issues with sensitivity and respect for the autonomy and well-being of all individuals involved.

    • Transgender individuals' desire for uterus transplants raises ethical concernsTransgender individuals seek uterus transplants for psychological reasons, but ethical issues arise due to potential exploitation, temporary nature, and legal complications.

      The lack of the ability to bear children can cause significant psychological distress for some transgender individuals, leading them to consider uterus transplants as a means to alleviate this dissonance and participate more fully in their identified gender. However, the discussion also raises ethical concerns, including the potential exploitation of women's bodies and the temporary nature of the procedure due to the required immunosuppressive drugs. Ultimately, it's important to remember that medical interventions should not be relied upon to solve socio-psychological issues, and individuals should focus on real-life experiences and skills to improve their well-being. Additionally, the use of cadaver donors and the potential for legal disputes surrounding organ donation add complexity to the issue.

    • Uterine Transplants for Trans Men: Challenging Norms and IdentityThe desire for uterine transplants by trans men raises ethical and societal questions about individual identity, societal pressures, and the role of technology in shaping it.

      The discussion revolves around the possibility of uterine transplants for trans men who have undergone gender affirming surgery and desire to gestate children. This concept challenges societal norms and raises questions about individual identity, narcissism, and the role of technology in shaping it. Some argue that this desire stems from societal pressures and a desire for perfection, potentially leading to dissatisfaction and unhappiness. The speaker expresses concern that this trend could be a manifestation of a techno-utopian mental disorder and questions the motives behind pursuing such procedures. Ultimately, the discussion raises ethical and societal questions about the role of medicine in shaping identity and the potential consequences for individuals.

    • Continuing medical education quizzes and ethical dilemmasHealthcare professionals face ethical dilemmas when answering quiz questions for continuing education credits that contradict established facts or medical knowledge.

      Continuing medical education for healthcare professionals often involves earning credits through quizzes and activities, as demonstrated in this discussion about a quiz related to uterus transplantation for trans women. These credits are required to maintain good standing with various medical boards, societies, and organizations. However, the process can involve answering questions that go against established facts or medical knowledge, creating a potential conflict with ethical principles like the Hippocratic Oath. It's important to consider the implications of this system and its potential impact on the medical community as a whole.

    • Flaws in academic and medical systems lead to misinformationUndetected statistical artifacts in COVID studies, meaningless medical continuing education, and the AMA's involvement in controversial issues threaten the accuracy and validity of knowledge in academia and medicine.

      The current systems in academia and medicine, which are supposed to ensure the accuracy and validity of knowledge, are flawed and can lead to the spread of misinformation and nonsense. In the case of academia, this was exemplified by the undetected statistical artifacts in COVID vaccine efficacy studies. In the medical field, doctors are required to undergo continuing education, but the process has become meaningless and may even discourage a deep understanding and commitment to the scientific process. This can lead to doctors who are not fully competent or passionate about their work. The solution may lie in off-label knowledge, peer review by passionate individuals, and a reevaluation of the current systems to encourage deeper engagement and critical thinking. The AMA's involvement in trans issues and the funding of its own existence through such controversies is another concerning development in this regard. Overall, the current state of these systems is unsatisfactory and can have serious consequences for individuals' health and well-being.

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    Laumer et al 2024. Active self-treatment of a facial wound with a biologically active plant by a male Sumatran orangutan. Scientific Reports, 14(1), p.8932. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-58988-7

    County Highway: https://www.countyhighway.com

    Thousands Believe Covid Vaccines Harmed Them. Is Anyone Listening? https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/03/health/covid-vaccines-side-effects.html

    Chris Martenson on the NYT: https://twitter.com/chrismartenson/status/1787602191114526836

    Benn et al 2023. Randomized clinical trials of COVID-19 vaccines: Do adenovirus-vector vaccines have beneficial non-specific effects?. Iscience, 26(5): https://portal.findresearcher.sdu.dk/en/publications/randomized-clinical-trials-of-covid-19-vaccines-do-adenovirus-vec

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    Third Man Syndrome and Shackleton: https://twitter.com/brianroemmele/status/1785827941718614291

    Clearer skies may be accelerating global warming: https://www.science.org/content/article/clearer-skies-may-be-accelerating-global-warming
     
    Hodnebrog et al 2024. Recent reductions in aerosol emissions have increased Earth’s energy imbalance. Communications Earth & Environment, 5(1):166: https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-024-01324-8

    Nature editorial: What happens when climate change and the mental-health crisis collide? https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00993-x

    Animation about mental health and climate change: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/grantham/publications/all-publications/the-impact-of-climate-change-on-mental-health-and-emotional-wellbeing-current-evidence-and-implications-for-policy-and-practice.php

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    Kennedy 2023. The Wuhan Cover-Up and the Terrifying Bio-Weapons Arms Race: https://www.skyhorsepublishing.com/9781510773981/the-wuhan-cover-up/

    Kuo et al 2000. Retargeting of coronavirus by substitution of the spike glycoprotein ectodomain: crossing the host cell species barrier. Journal of virology, 74(3):1393-1406: https://journals.asm.org/doi/full/10.1128/jvi.74.3.1393-1406.2000

    Rodríguez-Montes et al 2023. Sex-biased gene expression across mammalian organ development and evolution. Science 382(6670), p.eadf1046: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adf1046

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