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    #47: Butler Did It (Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying DarkHorse Livestream)

    en-usSeptember 26, 2020

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    • Unity 2020 ticket for White House abandonedDespite failure to elect a unity ticket, the long-term goal of combating government corruption continues. The importance of prototyping and learning from the experience was emphasized.

      The Unity 2020 plan to draft a ticket for the White House has been abandoned due to the current political climate, but the larger movement against government corruption will continue. The process of working on Unity 2020 revealed the strong desire for a fix to the corruption and surfaced the belief structures of many patriots. While the short-term goal of electing a unity ticket was not achieved, the long-term goal of rescuing the republic from its political death spiral remains. The importance of a prototyping mindset was emphasized, as the discovery of what is needed to fix the corruption has been a valuable learning experience. The stage is set for potential future actions to recapture structures of power on behalf of the people.

    • Shift in focus for Unity Movement's 2020 planThe Unity Movement continues to push for political reform, but the specific Unity 2020 plan may no longer be the focus. The speaker acknowledged the complexity of the political system and the importance of a scientific approach to understanding it.

      The Unity 2020 movement, which aimed to reform the political system through a ranked choice vote during the 2020 presidential election, has undergone a shift in focus. The Unity Movement itself continues to exist and is dedicated to the prospect of fixing the system, but the specific Unity 2020 plan may no longer be the name or direction of the movement going forward. The speaker expressed concern that the duopolies, or the two major political parties, remain dominant, but was not disappointed with the outcome of Unity 2020. They also discussed the technical difficulties encountered during the process and the importance of applying a scientific approach to understanding complex systems, using the example of a cat's behavior compared to podcasting equipment. The speaker acknowledged the complexity of the political system and the challenge of understanding it, but emphasized the importance of continuing to strive for understanding and making sense of the world.

    • Unraveling the mysteries of complex systemsThrough investigating a podcast recording issue, we learned the importance of considering multiple hypotheses, testing predictions, and adapting to new information to eliminate possibilities.

      The complex systems we encounter in nature, such as an animal's body or a technology setup like a podcast apparatus, can present us with many mysteries, even if we understand much of their behavior. For instance, during a podcast recording, we experienced intermittent camera signal drops, which led us to suspect radon buildup due to closed windows. After testing, we found low radon levels, leaving us with an unexplained interference affecting HDMI signals. Although we couldn't definitively rule out radon or other exotic hypotheses, we did find that opening windows resolved the issue. The investigation process revealed the importance of considering multiple hypotheses and testing predictions to eliminate possibilities. While we didn't find a definitive answer, we learned that HDMI seems less prone to electromagnetic interference, and the issue might have been related to a frame rate mismatch caused by an unknown interference that disappeared when the windows were opened.

    • End of smoke lockdown improves air qualityThe end of a prolonged smoke lockdown allowed for improved air quality indoors and outdoors, resolving issues related to camera equipment and various health concerns.

      The end of a prolonged smoke lockdown caused by wildfires, coinciding with the onset of rains and the ability to open windows, resolved multiple issues in a home environment. This improvement in air quality both indoors and outdoors eliminated various problems, including those related to camera equipment. While the exact cause remains uncertain, it's hypothesized that radiation, potentially from events like the Fukushima nuclear disaster, could have been a contributing factor. It's important to note that generating a hypothesis doesn't mean endorsing it, but rather considering all possibilities through the scientific method.

    • Nuclear Reactors Produce Harmful IsotopesNuclear reactors generate various radioactive isotopes, including harmful and long-lived ones like plutonium, strontium, and cesium. These elements can mimic essential nutrients, build up in our bodies, and enter our ecosystems, posing long-term health risks.

      The use of enriched uranium in nuclear reactors leads to the production of various isotopes, some of which are harmful and long-lived, such as plutonium. These isotopes, along with smaller, shorter-lived ones like iodine, strontium, and cesium, can be dispersed through wind and water. The Pacific Northwest, being the "windshield of the continent," has collected these radioactive elements, particularly strontium and cesium, which can mimic elements we use physiologically and build into our bones and muscles. Unlike iodine, there's no easy way to protect ourselves from these elements, as they're not sold as non-radioactive alternatives. Additionally, these radioactive isotopes can enter our ecosystems, such as through fish, which inhabit both the Pacific and the Pacific Northwest. Despite the long-term effects of the Fukushima meltdown, iodine isotopes have mostly degraded, but strontium and cesium remain a concern due to their bioaccumulative properties.

    • The role of forests near water sources in absorbing nutrients from marine lifeThe Pacific Northwest ecosystem relies on marine-derived nutrients from salmon, but the Fukushima nuclear disaster disrupted this process, highlighting the interconnectedness of our natural world and the potential consequences of human actions.

      The forests adjacent to water sources, such as rivers and streams, play a crucial role in the ecosystem by absorbing nutrients from marine life, specifically salmon, and transferring them to terrestrial forests. This process, known as marine-derived nutrients, is particularly important in the Pacific Northwest where salmon carcasses provide essential nutrients, such as nitrogen, to the soil, which in turn is absorbed by trees and other organisms. However, this delicate balance was disrupted by the 2011 Fukushima nuclear disaster. Radiation and particulate matter from the meltdown were carried by wind and water into the Pacific Northwest, potentially impacting the ecosystem and interrupting the collection of important data. This is a reminder of the interconnectedness of our natural world and the potential consequences of human actions.

    • The natural world and technology share a fundamental process: respiration or gas exchange.The natural world and technology rely on the same process of gas exchange for energy, with the sun as the common origin for both, whether through photosynthesis or fossil fuels.

      The natural world and technology share a fundamental process: respiration or gas exchange. This process, which involves the intake of oxygen and the release of carbon dioxide, is essential for both living organisms and machines. In the case of living organisms, this process is driven by the need for energy to sustain life. For technology, such as cars, it is necessary to fuel combustion and make the vehicle function. The origin of the fuel for both can be traced back to the sun, either directly through photosynthesis or indirectly through fossil fuels formed over millions of years. Moreover, it was discussed that radioactive material from events like the Fukushima nuclear disaster can be absorbed by the soil and then taken up by plants through their roots. This process is a form of bioaccumulation, where the radioactive material becomes part of the plant's tissue. This information adds to our understanding of the complex relationships between the natural world, technology, and human-made events. Furthermore, it was mentioned that scientists like Nalini Nadkarni and Jack Longenecker have studied the effects of natural disasters on ecosystems, such as the Mount Saint Helens eruption, which left a layer of ash in the mosses that still persists in trees today. This research highlights the importance of understanding the interconnectedness of various systems and the long-term impacts of events on the natural world.

    • Testing the impact of forest fires on electronic systemsResearchers propose testing the hypothesis that radioactive isotopes from forest fires could have disrupted electronic systems by examining radioactivity levels in cars or tree rings.

      During the major forest fires in the Pacific Northwest, the ash and grit from the fires may have caused chainsaw blades to wear faster. The fires could have released radioactive isotopes into the air, which would have been carried by smoke particles. These particles could have been trapped by HEPA filters, but the radioactive atoms themselves could not. The hypothesis is that these radioactive isotopes could have caused disruptions to electronic systems, such as podcast equipment, had they been present in high enough concentrations. To test this hypothesis, one could examine the radioactivity levels in cars driven during the time of the fires or in controlled burns of trees from the affected areas. The challenge lies in the patchy distribution of radioactive isotopes in the forest and the fact that the fires are in the past. Another potential method is to analyze the radioactivity levels in tree rings, as they could provide a record of the levels of radioactivity during the time of the fires.

    • Analyzing tree rings for radiation informationTree rings could provide accurate and stable data on radiation deposits, especially in wildfires, due to their non-degrading nature. However, the technology to perform this analysis is not currently available.

      The analysis of tree rings could provide valuable information about the source and timing of radiation deposits, particularly in the context of wildfires. This method is appealing because the radiation levels in unburned trees do not degrade over time, unlike data from other sources that may become polluted or less reliable with the passage of time. For instance, data from air filters in cars may become less accurate as cars are driven and emit pollutants, making it harder to distinguish between natural and human-made radiation. Despite not having the technology to perform this analysis ourselves, the potential benefits make it an intriguing hypothesis for further investigation. Additionally, the conversation touched upon the importance of considering various hypotheses and testing them rigorously, as well as the value of seeking expert opinions and collaborating with others to expand knowledge.

    • Polarization and the decline of sense-making in politicsPolarization in politics has led to a decline in sense-making, with each side warning of impending authoritarianism and using alarmist language and fear-mongering narratives, making it difficult to distinguish fact from fiction.

      We are living in a time where political discourse is increasingly polarized, and both sides seem to be convinced that the other represents a threat to our democratic institutions. This polarization has led to a decline in sense-making, as people struggle to determine what is true and what is not. The use of alarmist language and fear-mongering narratives has become commonplace, with each side warning of impending authoritarianism if the other is elected. This trend is concerning, as it undermines the ability to engage in productive dialogue and find common ground. The speaker expresses worry about the state of political discourse and the increasing inability to distinguish fact from fiction. The use of evolutionary theory as a lens to understand modern issues was also discussed, but the speaker expressed a greater concern for the current state of political discourse and the dangers of polarization.

    • Maintaining societal stability: A crucial factor for effective functioningSocietal change should be approached with care, considering the potential impact on the overall system's stability.

      Our society, much like living organisms, requires homeostasis or stability to function effectively. For humans, this stability is maintained internally, and our temperature is a crucial factor in ensuring the proper functioning of our enzymes. Societal systems, such as climate and policing, also need to remain within certain bounds for homeostasis. However, when people advocate for extreme changes, they risk pushing the system beyond its functional range, leading to unpredictable outcomes. The ongoing debates and protests can be seen as two opposing sides pulling the societal "lever" in their direction. Those advocating for immediate change view it as a necessary fever to rid society of systemic issues, while others argue that such changes could disrupt the delicate balance of our societal homeostasis. It's essential to acknowledge the importance of maintaining stability while addressing issues that require attention. In essence, the key takeaway is that societal change should be approached with care, considering the potential impact on the overall system's stability.

    • The costs of progress and the fear of brakesProgress brings benefits but also costs, and addressing these issues is crucial for a sustainable future.

      Our political and economic systems, like our bodies, accumulate things that are beneficial in the short term but detrimental in the long term. This process, which was discussed in relation to civilization's potential senescence, mirrors the natural aging process. Early innovations, such as the Haber Bosch process and internal combustion engines, brought about significant progress, but their costs became evident later on, when they had become too profitable to be controlled or stopped. The fear on the right is that the left wants to put brakes on innovation before it has momentum, while the left fears that the right is turning identity into an existential threat, sidelining other critical issues like sociopolitical, AI algorithm, climate, energy, and ecosystem destruction. It's essential to acknowledge and address these issues to ensure a better future for all.

    • The potential risks and consequences of innovationRecognizing the potential downstream consequences of our actions is crucial, but finding a balance between progress and regulation is important.

      The drive for innovation and progress, no matter how beneficial it may seem, comes with potential risks and consequences that must be acknowledged and addressed. This was discussed in relation to the historical use of oil and the more recent development of social media. The idea that we could harness resources like oil for long-distance transportation was once unimaginable, but the potential for negative environmental impact was eventually recognized. Similarly, the rise of social media and the internet has brought about incredible connectivity and innovation, but also the potential for negative consequences such as filter bubbles, machine learning, and even debates about fundamental truths. It's important to recognize the potential downstream consequences of our actions, but also to find a balance between progress and regulation. As the speaker notes, some things are difficult to unwind once set in motion, and it's crucial to consider the long-term impact of our actions on society as a whole.

    • A generational disconnect fuels chaos in societyUpcoming adults cause chaos, believing someone will fix their problems, while those in power abdicate responsibility, leaving a power vacuum. Ideologies like Judith Butler's gender performance concept add to the confusion and harm.

      The current social and political climate is shaped by a disconnect between the experiences and responsibilities of different generations. Upcoming adults, who have grown up with minimal challenges and risks due to their socioeconomic backgrounds, are now causing chaos in the streets, believing that someone will always come to fix their problems. Simultaneously, those in power have abdicated their responsibility for the common good, leaving a power vacuum. This situation is exemplified by the failed attempt to abolish the Minneapolis police, an idea that was popular among a small, confused or malevolent group, but not the public. Additionally, the ideology of academics like Judith Butler, who introduced the concept of gender performance, has contributed to the current state of anti-intellectualism and confusion in our society. It's crucial for the public to reassert itself and challenge these harmful ideologies and actions to prevent further damage.

    • A clash of perspectives on gender identity and women's safetyJK Rowling and Judith Butler's debate highlights the complexities of gender identity issues and the importance of acknowledging diverse experiences and perspectives, while rejecting demeaning language and caricatures, and committing to creating safe and inclusive spaces for all individuals.

      The debate surrounding gender identity and women's safety in public spaces, as exemplified by the discourse between JK Rowling and Judith Butler, can be characterized as a clash of perspectives rooted in deeply held beliefs and fears. While Rowling expresses concerns over potential risks to women in shared spaces, Butler challenges the assumptions underlying these fears and argues for the validity of trans women's self-identification. The exchange highlights the complexities of these issues and the importance of acknowledging the lived experiences and realities of all individuals involved. Moreover, the discussion raises concerns about the role of fantasy and misinformation in shaping public discourse, as well as the potential consequences of anti-intellectualism and the denial of scientific evidence. The ongoing debate underscores the need for open, respectful dialogue and a commitment to understanding the diverse experiences and perspectives of all individuals. It is crucial for all parties involved to engage in thoughtful, evidence-based discussions and to reject the use of demeaning language and caricatures. Ultimately, the goal should be to create safe and inclusive spaces for all individuals, while recognizing and addressing the unique challenges and concerns faced by different communities.

    • Science and feminism are separate entitiesMaintain the distinction between science as a methodology and feminism as an ideology to ensure their integrity

      While the GenderSci Lab aims to generate feminist concepts and theories for scientific research on sex and gender, labeling science as "feminist science" is not valid. Science is a methodology, not an ideology, and cannot be defined by an adjectival label. The speaker shares a personal anecdote about rejecting a publisher's offer for her book due to their labeling her as a "feminist scientist." She emphasizes that science and feminism are separate entities. The speaker also discusses the use of pronouns and the potential awkwardness that arises when pronouns don't match the gender identity of an individual. However, it's important to respect people's pronouns and gender identities. In essence, science and gender identity are distinct concepts, and it's crucial to maintain their separate definitions to ensure the integrity of both.

    • Upcoming Patreon events for patronsJoin private Q&A sessions and long-form conversations for Patreon supporters, access Discord server and clips.

      Language and communication can sometimes be complicated and awkward, with people using it for various purposes, including self-expression or "peacocking." However, despite these challenges, effective communication is essential, and we should continue striving for it. During our discussion, we touched upon some upcoming events for our Patreon community. Tomorrow, at 11 AM Pacific, patrons at the $5 and up level can join a private Q&A session. Next Saturday, from 10 to 12 Pacific, patrons at the $100 level will have a long-form conversation. Additionally, access to the Discord server and clips can be found on either Patreon. As we wrap up this session, we'll be taking a 15-minute break before returning to answer Super Chat questions. Stay tuned for that. In the meantime, remember that communication, though complex at times, is a vital aspect of our lives and should be embraced. We'll be back in 15 minutes.

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    In this episode, we discuss science and religion, materialism and other ways of understanding our world. Can analysis and quantification explain everything? Can narrative, intuition, and creativity? All are or should be part of the scientific process; science is incomplete with only one mode. We also discuss models, how they fail, how difficult they are to assess, and what one recent climate model has to say about the role of air pollution in Earth’s temperature. Enlightenment values require that we use our freedom to inquire about all things that we are curious about. Also: happy Beltane!

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    Mentioned in this episode:

    Third Man Syndrome and Shackleton: https://twitter.com/brianroemmele/status/1785827941718614291

    Clearer skies may be accelerating global warming: https://www.science.org/content/article/clearer-skies-may-be-accelerating-global-warming
     
    Hodnebrog et al 2024. Recent reductions in aerosol emissions have increased Earth’s energy imbalance. Communications Earth & Environment, 5(1):166: https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-024-01324-8

    Nature editorial: What happens when climate change and the mental-health crisis collide? https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00993-x

    Animation about mental health and climate change: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/grantham/publications/all-publications/the-impact-of-climate-change-on-mental-health-and-emotional-wellbeing-current-evidence-and-implications-for-policy-and-practice.php

    Growing up is hard to do (do not pay others to do your thinking for you): https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/growing-up-is-hard-to-do

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    We're Beating the WHO – With Dr. Kat Lindley

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    Dr. Kat Lindley is the President of the Global Health Project. Bret Talks to her about the state of the World Health Organization Pandemic Treaty.

    Find Dr. Lindley on X: @KLVeritas (https://twitter.com/KLVeritas)

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    Why Darwin was Right: The 222nd Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

    Why Darwin was Right: The 222nd Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

    In this 222nd in a series of live discussions with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying (both PhDs in Biology), we talk about the state of the world through an evolutionary lens.

    In this episode, we discuss evolution, and how we know that it is true. We discuss the different kinds of beliefs that people have—beliefs that attempt to reconcile with reality, vs beliefs that reconcile with social standing and comfort. If your beliefs put you on the outs with your friends, do you change your beliefs, or your friends? Are you willing to give up the cocktail party for reality? We also discuss research published in 2000 and funded by Fauci’s NIAID, which demonstrated that it was possible to make chimeric coronaviruses, swapping the spike protein from one to a different species entirely. Finally: sex-biased gene expression, in which genes are expressed differently in the two sexes, in anatomical systems as varied as brain, kidneys, and liver.
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    Mentioned in this episode:

    Kennedy 2023. The Wuhan Cover-Up and the Terrifying Bio-Weapons Arms Race: https://www.skyhorsepublishing.com/9781510773981/the-wuhan-cover-up/

    Kuo et al 2000. Retargeting of coronavirus by substitution of the spike glycoprotein ectodomain: crossing the host cell species barrier. Journal of virology, 74(3):1393-1406: https://journals.asm.org/doi/full/10.1128/jvi.74.3.1393-1406.2000

    Rodríguez-Montes et al 2023. Sex-biased gene expression across mammalian organ development and evolution. Science 382(6670), p.eadf1046: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adf1046

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