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    #75: Stop Disrupting Childhood (Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying DarkHorse Livestream)

    en-usApril 10, 2021

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    • Discussing ads, children's transitions, and latest newsThe Dark Horse Podcast hosts plan to run paid ads, prioritizing transparency and adendorsements that align with their values, while discussing children's transitions, Ta-Nehisi Coates vs Jordan Peterson, privacy, and upcoming topics like game cameras and ADHD drugs.

      The Dark Horse Podcast hosts had an engaging discussion covering various topics, including privacy, gender differences, and recent news. They announced their plans to start running paid ads on their podcast, ensuring transparency for their listeners by indicating when content is sponsored. The hosts also shared their thoughts on the importance of being selective with the ads they choose to endorse, as they aim to maintain the integrity of their content. Additionally, they touched upon the topic of children transitioning medically and surgically, and the ongoing debate between Ta-Nehisi Coates and Jordan Peterson. The hosts also mentioned their upcoming discussions on privacy and game cameras, the FDA approval of a new ADHD drug, and Sunlight. Overall, the podcast promises to provide thought-provoking conversations and valuable insights on various subjects.

    • The loss of autonomy in individual choicesDespite seeming control in individual choices, larger societal restrictions impact our freedom. Understanding the distinction between narrow and broad senses of choice is crucial in recognizing the loss of autonomy in a democratic society.

      While we had some control over our individual choices as podcasters, the larger system in which we operate has significantly restricted our autonomy. This was highlighted when we discussed a comment about privacy and trail cameras in nature areas. Although trail cameras serve valuable research purposes, they can invade privacy. As individuals, we understand and empathize with this concern. However, the benefits of trail cameras in research outweigh the drawbacks. It's important to note that, despite our choices as podcasters, we don't have the same level of control in other areas of our lives. This is a broader theme of the conversation, as people pointed out seemingly small choices we make while ignoring the larger restrictions on our freedom. In our case, we didn't choose to be forced out of our jobs and institutions, but we did choose how to adapt and earn a living as podcasters. The distinction between narrow and broad senses of choice is crucial in understanding our situation. Ultimately, we hope to raise awareness about the loss of choice in a democratic society, even when small choices still seem to be available.

    • Discovering Unknown Bat Behaviors with Camera TrapsCamera traps have revolutionized wildlife research by capturing previously unknown behaviors, contributing to scientific understanding, despite challenges and downsides.

      The use of camera traps in wildlife research, even if intrusive, can lead to significant discoveries about animal behavior that would be difficult to observe otherwise. The speaker, who has a history of pioneering this method, shared his experience using unconventional means to capture tent-making behavior in bats during his dissertation work in the late 1990s. Despite the challenges and downsides, the speaker emphasizes the importance of these discoveries and the potential benefits they bring to the scientific community. The use of camera traps, initially starting with bank surveillance cameras, allowed him to document previously unknown behaviors and contribute to the understanding of bat biology.

    • Exploring Animal Behaviors with TechnologyTechnology like trail cameras and infrared light reveal intricate animal behaviors and interactions previously unknown to humans, expanding our understanding of the natural world.

      Technology, such as trail cameras and infrared light, has been instrumental in observing and studying animal behaviors that were previously difficult or impossible for humans to witness due to the animals' sensitivity to human presence. For instance, bats create intricate leaf structures to protect themselves, which can only be observed at a distance and under infrared light. Similarly, trail cameras have revealed unexpected interactions between different species, such as beavers, nutrias, and otters, sharing the same burrow system. These findings raise intriguing questions about the relationships and competition between these species, as well as the adaptability of animals to various environments. Overall, technology has expanded our understanding of the natural world and provided valuable insights into the lives of various animals.

    • Nutria's success in North America due to semi-aquatic lifestyleThe nutria's semi-aquatic lifestyle allows it to thrive in North America's temperate habitats, expanding its range beyond what's typical for tropical species

      The nutria's success in invading North America, despite being a tropical species, can be attributed to their semi-aquatic lifestyle. This lifestyle mitigates weather fluctuations due to water's high specific heat and may also drive the evolution of their heat preservation mechanisms. MacArthur's observation that species are limited by competition at the southern end of their range and climate at the northern end supports this hypothesis. The nutria's ability to thrive in temperate habitats, which are typically uninvadable by tropical organisms, can be explained by their unique adaptation to water environments. This discovery raises further questions about the role of aquatic habitats in facilitating the spread of invasive species.

    • Unexpected invasions of new habitats by animals due to climate changeClimate change facilitates animal invasions by removing barriers and altering competition, while human activities can also play a role in their arrival and impact coexistence with wildlife

      Climate change is leading to unexpected invasions of new habitats by animals, particularly aquatic ones, raising questions about why these species weren't present before. The answers to this question are often that they cannot exist there, cannot get there, or cannot compete there. However, in some cases, humans may play a role in facilitating their arrival. For instance, Nutria, an aquatic rodent, was unable to get to certain habitats but thrives once it arrives. This observation leads to interesting questions about the role of climate change, human intervention, and competition in shaping species distributions. Moreover, the discussion also touched upon the impact of human activities on wildlife. In the speaker's backyard, coyotes have been persistently trying to prey on domestic cats, leading to concerns about their safety. The coyotes have been calling every night for the past several weeks, and the speaker and his family have had to take measures to protect their pets. This incident highlights the challenges that humans face in coexisting with wildlife, especially when habitats are altered or fragmented. Overall, the conversation underscores the importance of understanding the complex interplay between climate, habitat, competition, and human activities in shaping wildlife distributions and interactions.

    • Observing unusual coyote behavior and potential impact on local squirrel populationCoyotes' unexpected interaction with a squirrel and the presence of a one-eyed coyote raised questions about their impact on local squirrel population, possibly due to undetected flying squirrels.

      During a recent observation of coyotes, the speakers noticed a one-eyed coyote, which could be an injured animal or a different individual. They also captured footage of two coyotes, one with a squirrel, which was an unexpected sight as most squirrels are diurnal. The speakers, who are animal behaviorists, were unsure if there were flying squirrels in the area due to the absence of their vocalizations, which reveal their presence. Flying squirrels glide rather than fly, and their silent landings make it difficult to detect them. The speakers hypothesized that the coyotes might be responsible for the fewer squirrel numbers in the area. Despite the uncertainty about the presence of flying squirrels, the speakers expressed their fascination with these animals and their unique gliding abilities.

    • Lemurs' quiet arboreal locomotion vs canids' climbing abilitiesLemurs' quiet tree-climbing differs from canids' limited climbing skills, making it harder to detect lemurs and unsolved how a coyote got a diurnal squirrel. Misinformation in healthcare discussions must be avoided.

      The arboreal locomotion of certain lemurs, such as the Andriads, is quieter than that of neotropical monkeys due to their vertical grasping and leaping from tree to tree without interfacing with foliage. This quietness makes it harder to detect their presence. During a discussion about a possible diurnal squirrel encounter by a coyote at night, it was noted that canids have limited ability to pronate, which restricts their climbing abilities compared to felids. The mystery of how a coyote obtained a diurnal squirrel remains unsolved. In another context, there has been a trend in state legislatures to limit the ability of minors to medically and surgically transition. The ACLU made a statement that seemed to suggest that all healthcare would be denied to trans youth in these states, but this is not accurate. The ACLU's statement was criticized for being misleading, and it is important to accurately represent the facts in such discussions.

    • Considering the potential consequences of incorrectly assuming a child is transSociety must prioritize accurate data and understanding to minimize harm from incorrectly assuming a child is trans, as it could lead to unnecessary and potentially harmful interventions.

      While there is research suggesting some transgender adults reported experiencing gender dysphoria at a young age, it does not necessarily provide evidence for supporting medical and surgical interventions for children who claim to be transgender. The missing piece in the argument against giving such interventions to children is the lack of data on how many children who do not later transition make similar claims. Society must consider the potential consequences of making a Type 1 error, which is incorrectly assuming a child is trans when they are not, leading to unnecessary and potentially harmful interventions. The null hypothesis, which assumes a child is not trans, is based on the rarity of deeply felt disconnect between actual and perceived sex and the overwhelming evidence against it. The societal ramifications of a Type 1 error include encouraging transitions for those who do not warrant or want it. Ultimately, it's crucial to approach this issue with caution and prioritize accurate data and understanding to minimize harm.

    • Protecting children from unnecessary medical interventionsMinimizing incorrect identifications of non-trans individuals as trans and avoiding irreversible interventions for children with gender dysphoria are crucial to prevent significant harm.

      Minimizing type 1 errors, or incorrectly identifying non-trans individuals as trans, is a societal responsibility due to the significant harm caused by unnecessary medical interventions. The numbers of people harmed by such interventions far outweigh those harmed by failing to intervene, and the potential long-term consequences, including loss of reproductive abilities and sexual functionality, are significant. It is essential to protect children exhibiting gender dysphoria, recognizing that many will not grow up to be trans adults. By focusing on the wrong dataset, we risk causing harm to these children, who deserve the full range of options when they reach adulthood. True gender dysphoria is a small subset of those who are gender non-conforming, and exploring identity is a natural part of childhood. It is crucial to avoid pushing children into irreversible interventions based on their differences from societal norms.

    • Considering the long-term consequences of interventions for trans childrenIt's crucial to consider potential long-term effects of interventions for trans children, including physical, mental, psychological, fertility, and sexual function impacts. The uncertainty of future gender identity based on childhood dysphoria complicates matters, emphasizing the importance of protecting children from permanent modifications.

      Even as organizations like the ACLU advocate for the rights of trans individuals and the use of puberty blockers for dysphoric children, it's crucial to consider the potential long-term consequences. These modifications can have physical, mental, psychological, fertility, and sexual function effects. Some trans adults were dysphoric as children, but not all will identify as trans as adults. This creates a complex situation, as some people may mistakenly believe they know a child's future gender identity based on their youthful dysphoria. The Monty Hall problem highlights this issue: some people who are dysphoric as children may not turn out to be trans adults. Regardless, it's essential to protect children from permanent modifications due to the uncertainty and potential risks involved. Additionally, the approval of a new drug for ADHD (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder) by the FDA highlights the importance of understanding human development from an evolutionary perspective. This perspective can help us make informed decisions about interventions and treatments, ensuring the best possible outcomes for individuals while minimizing potential negative consequences.

    • Questioning the diagnosis and treatment of ADHDInstead of drugging children diagnosed with ADHD, we should focus on creating school environments that cater to all students, not just the average or above-average performers.

      The diagnosis and treatment of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) is a complex issue with valid concerns regarding the over-medicalization of children's behavior. The speaker, a former teacher, shares his experiences with smart but restless male students who were diagnosed with ADHD and how it became predictable. He acknowledges that there might be a real condition but questions the current interventions and the profit motives of pharmaceutical companies. He suggests that instead of drugging children, we should focus on creating school environments that are a better fit for all students, not just the average or above-average performers. The speaker also points out the paradox of a society that promotes standing desks while drugging children for staying seated. He concludes by questioning the current system that guarantees an outcome where a small percentage of hyperactive children are diagnosed and medicated, and suggesting that we need to reconsider our approach to dealing with this issue.

    • Problematic Approach to Diagnosing and Treating ADHDThe pharmaceutical industry's approach to diagnosing and treating ADHD can lead to significant side effects, over-diagnosis, and over-medication, highlighting the importance of a cautious and critical perspective.

      The pharmaceutical industry's approach to diagnosing and treating conditions like ADHD can be problematic. Some drugs, like Kelbry, which is marketed as an alternative to speed for treating ADHD, can have significant side effects, including suicidal ideation. The diagnostic process itself can be subjective and open to interpretation, leading to over-diagnosis and over-medication. The drug testing process is not hypothesis-driven, and companies may desire to label a large number of children as having these conditions to increase profits. It's important to consider the potential long-term effects of these drugs, especially when they may be prescribed for extended periods. The discussion also touched on the idea that society may be creating more problems than it solves by diagnosing and treating conditions for profit. While it's important to acknowledge that disorders do exist, it's crucial to approach diagnosis and treatment with caution and a critical perspective.

    • Understanding risks and benefits of medical interventionsFocus on individual circumstances and risks before deciding on medical interventions, and let children take ownership of their lives to learn and grow.

      While antibiotics, vaccines, and surgery have revolutionized healthcare, they come with risks and dangers. Instead of debating whether they're safe or not, we should focus on understanding the risks and benefits for each individual. For instance, vaccines can be trickier due to their complex nature, but even simple decisions like orthodontia or tendon repairs can lead to unintended consequences. In some cases, these interventions may not have been necessary. It's essential to recognize that all medical treatments carry risks and to make informed decisions based on individual circumstances. A study published in Child Development, titled "Children Persist Less When Adults Take Over," highlights the importance of letting children take ownership of their lives, even in seemingly insignificant areas. The study found that when adults took over tasks, children persisted less. This finding underscores the importance of allowing children to make decisions and learn from their experiences, even if it means taking calculated risks. In summary, while medical interventions have their place, it's crucial to consider the risks and benefits for each individual and encourage children to take ownership of their lives.

    • Impact of over-intervention on children's persistenceOver-intervention can demotivate children, hindering their ability to solve problems independently and innovate, while allowing them to learn from mistakes fosters resilience and independent thinking.

      Over-intervention from adults, such as solving hard problems for children or altering the language and context of assistance, can negatively impact children's persistence in future tasks. This finding suggests that it might be easier to demotivate children than to motivate them. The study's implications extend to education, where a failure to develop a healthy relationship with failure can hinder a student's ability to solve problems independently and innovate. Over-reliance on external motivation, such as teacher approval or easy tasks, can produce individuals who are good at following orders but lack the skills to navigate complex situations and show compassion and respect for others. Ultimately, the study highlights the importance of allowing children to experience the natural consequences of their actions and learn from their mistakes to foster resilience and independent thinking.

    • Blaming the world for problems isn't effectiveEngage in respectful discourse, understand different perspectives, and work towards improvements instead of blaming the world

      Blaming the world for your problems and demanding it to be fixed instead of learning how to interact with it effectively is not a viable solution. It's essential to make the best use of the world as it is and work towards making improvements. The recent example of Jordan Peterson being villainized in popular media serves as a reminder of the importance of respectful discourse and understanding different perspectives. It's crucial to engage in conversations with those who have opposing views, even if it's challenging, to foster a more productive and inclusive society.

    • Productive criticism and dialogue for growthJordan Peterson's decent image despite differing views, importance of critical thinking, productive dialogue, and the power of sunlight in deactivating COVID-19

      Productive criticism and dialogue are essential for growth and understanding, but it's important to avoid villainizing or misrepresenting the person on the other side. In the case of Jordan Peterson, despite significant differences in viewpoint, he is seen as a decent and responsible figure. The discussion also touched upon the impact of sunlight on the transmission of COVID-19, with recent research suggesting that it deactivates the virus more effectively than previously thought. This is an important piece of information for public health, as it supports the advice to spend time outside and not wear masks in most outdoor settings. Overall, the conversation emphasized the importance of critical thinking, productive dialogue, and the power of sunlight.

    • Meeting outdoors reduces virus transmission riskOutdoor meetings during favorable weather can reduce virus transmission risk through dilution and sunlight, but caution is still necessary

      Meeting outdoors during the pandemic, especially when the weather is favorable, can help reduce the risk of virus transmission due to the dilution of virus particles in larger spaces and the disabling effect of sunlight on the virus. This finding is important as it allows for some level of normalcy during restrictions, but it's crucial to remain cautious and continue monitoring for any changes in the virus's behavior. Additionally, outdoor activities with pets can provide moments of joy and relaxation, but it's essential to follow safety guidelines to protect both humans and animals from potential risks.

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      We're in the process of transitioning from our current super chat system to a replacement, and we'll be having a few more practice runs before we make the switch. During one of these practice runs, I had an engaging conversation with Bridgette Fethasy about vaccine passports and other topics, which you can check out on our Walk Ins Welcome platform. We encourage you to join us at either of our Patreons for exclusive perks, such as monthly Q&A sessions. Our next Patreon event is tomorrow from 9 to 11 Pacific time, focusing on evolution. If you have any questions or requests for clips, feel free to email darkhorse.moderator@gmail.com or darkhorse.mutter@gmail.com. As we continue to produce high-quality content, it's important to spread the word and get more people to engage with our content. We believe that platforms may not be promoting our content effectively, so your message of support goes a long way. In the meantime, take care of yourself and those around you by actively expressing love, eating real food, and getting outside. Stay tuned for our return in 15 minutes.

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    Benn et al 2023. Randomized clinical trials of COVID-19 vaccines: Do adenovirus-vector vaccines have beneficial non-specific effects?. Iscience, 26(5): https://portal.findresearcher.sdu.dk/en/publications/randomized-clinical-trials-of-covid-19-vaccines-do-adenovirus-vec

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