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    #98: Everybody's a Critic (Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying DarkHorse Livestream)

    en-usSeptember 25, 2021

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    • Discussing critiques of 'Early Americans' and new scientific findingsThe Dark Horse Podcast explores critiques of their book 'Early Americans', shares a new scientific result supporting the peopling of the Americas, and encourages listeners to leave reviews on Barnes and Noble and join patrons for Q&As.

      The autumn season brings a bounty of various fruits and vegetables, but it seems dire wolves, a popular topic on the Dark Horse Podcast, were not present at the farmers market. The podcast episode will focus on critiques of their book, early Americans, and the concept of stolen land. They will also discuss a new scientific result consistent with the peopling of the Americas. Additionally, they encourage listeners to leave reviews on Barnes and Noble for their book, as Amazon remains sold out. The audiobook is doing well, but is not available in many parts of the world due to supply chain issues. They invite viewers to switch to Odysee for live chats and encourage joining their patrons for monthly Q&As. The podcast is sponsored by Vivo Barefoot, 4 Sigmatic, and Omax Cryofreeze, companies they have previously endorsed.

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    • Understanding Cultural and Gender Differences in CritiqueCritique can be delivered and received differently based on cultural backgrounds and gender. Directness vs subtlety, and openness vs nuance, can impact communication and collaboration in professional settings. Awareness of these differences can lead to more effective and inclusive interactions.

      Critique, which is an essential tool for growth and improvement, is a rare and complex phenomenon. It can be delivered and received in various ways, depending on cultural backgrounds and gender. While some cultures may value directness and openness, others may prioritize subtlety and nuance. Additionally, male and female dominance hierarchies often differ in their overtness and directness. Understanding these differences can help create more effective communication and collaboration in professional settings, ultimately fostering a more inclusive and productive environment.

    • Understanding the nuances of critique in different contextsAvoid misunderstandings by considering the context of critique, recognizing covert mechanisms, and striving for accurate and on-topic assessments.

      The nature of critique and jockeying for position can vary significantly between genders and cultures. In a scientific or professional environment where high-quality critique is valued, it's essential to understand the context to avoid misunderstandings. Covert mechanisms, such as subtle attempts to undermine, can be misinterpreted and lead to disastrous consequences. However, it's important to note that not all forms of critique from women are weaponized, and not all overt critique from men is constructive. The ability to think critically and scientifically is crucial, but unfortunately, many people mistakenly believe they are being scientific when they are not. Inaccurate or off-topic criticisms, like the one in the Guardian review discussed, can reveal a lack of understanding of the subject matter and the purpose of the review itself.

    • Misinterpretation of the book's messageThe authors argue for progress while assessing relevance from the past, emphasizing transparency in scientific analyses and criticizing opaque public health policies.

      The criticism of the book as promoting a traditional worldview is misguided, as the authors explicitly argue for moving forward while assessing what is relevant from the past. This misinterpretation may stem from the reviewer's verificationist perspective, which can lead to finding conservative elements in the book if one is traditionalist and radical elements if one is progressive. The authors also emphasize the importance of transparency in scientific analyses and criticize the lack of it in public health policies, which they find to be antithetical to the scientific process. A valid review or scientific analysis should not start with a conclusion, but rather be based on the evidence and the process of reaching that conclusion. The recent lab leak theory controversy serves as an analogy, highlighting the importance of examining the actual evidence and analysis behind conclusions, rather than relying on authorities and institutions that may hide their processes.

    • A Discussion on the Omega Principle and Critical ThinkingMaintain an open mind when evaluating ideas, engage in respectful dialogue, and critically analyze theories to deepen understanding.

      When approaching a review of a book or an idea, it's essential to keep an open mind and not jump to conclusions before fully understanding the content. The discussion revolves around a negative review of a book called "The Omega Principle," where the reviewer disagreed with one of the theoretical concepts introduced in the book. Although the authors disagreed, they acknowledged the reviewer's attempt to evaluate the book and initiated an important discussion. The omega principle is a provocative claim that culture and other epigenetic phenomena evolve more rapidly but are obligated to serve the genome's ends. This idea challenges conventional thinking and has profound implications for understanding human evolution. The authors argue that their analysis is consistent with the omega principle, and while some may disagree, they must explain what culture is if they reject this principle. In essence, the discussion highlights the importance of open-mindedness, critical thinking, and respectful dialogue in intellectual discourse.

    • Cultural and genetic evolution are interconnectedBoth cultural and genetic phenomena serve genetic ends, and understanding their relationship resolves paradoxes and makes their study more tractable

      Our cultural evolution and genetic evolution are interconnected, not independent. A cultural brain is the product of a genome, and cultural phenomena have costs for the genome. The genome facilitates cultural evolution if it serves its ends. The mistake in the evolutionary theory introduced by Dawkins is that he viewed culture as a new primeval soup, independent of the genetic layer. However, if we consider that both cultural and genetic phenomena serve genetic ends, we can analyze and understand their relationship better. This perspective resolves paradoxes and makes the study of cultural and genetic evolution more tractable. Furthermore, we must expand our understanding of epigenetics to include not just molecular mechanisms but also cultural phenomena as they are both downstream of genetics and ultimately serve genetic ends. The analogy between culture and molecular mechanisms that regulate gene expression is valid, as they both determine which genes get expressed where and when. Epigenetic regulation allows for complex organisms to exist, and understanding this process has led to excitement in the scientific community in recent decades.

    • Genetics and culture interact to shape gene expressionGenetics determine inherent traits, while culture influences when and how they're expressed. Both follow the same fundamental rule.

      Both genetics and culture play significant roles in shaping the way our genes are expressed. While genetics determine our inherent traits, culture influences how and when those traits are expressed. This interplay between genetics and culture adheres to the same fundamental rule. Additionally, the book "Sapiens" explores various complex concepts, making it challenging for critics to categorize it as a single discipline. The authors discuss topics such as hyper-novelty, niche switching, human population explosion, and culture as evolutionary adaptation, among others. A common critique of the book is the alleged lack of discussion on certain evolutionary mechanisms like genetic drift. However, it's essential to understand that most evolutionary change is non-adaptive and driven by random factors like genetic drift. The authors acknowledge this but focus on the adaptive aspects of evolution, which ultimately shape the human experience.

    • Understanding the mechanisms of microevolutionSelection is the primary mechanism building complexity in evolution, while drift and gene flow are also important but secondary.

      The mechanisms of microevolution, including mutation, drift, flow (gene flow), and selection, are crucial to understanding the process of evolution. While drift and gene flow are important, selection is the mechanism that builds complexity. Criticisms that focus on these mechanisms being overlooked in scientific works, but are not relevant to the subject matter, can be dismissed. The book "Human Heresy" is meant to be inclusive and accessible to everyone, regardless of scientific background or ideology. The authors, who have experience teaching diverse audiences, believe that everyone deserves an evolutionary toolkit to understand humanity and other organisms. Resistance to the application of evolutionary principles to human behavior and culture can take various forms, including the belief that it's too dangerous to do so. However, the authors remain committed to sharing their insights and perspectives on the evolutionary worldview.

    • Pushback against human evolution studiesSome scientists challenge adaptationism, question the Omega Principle, and resist integrating evolutionary dynamics into their fields, hindering progress in understanding human behavior and improving lives

      The field of evolutionary studies, particularly as it relates to human beings, has faced significant pushback from various quarters. Some scientists have actively sought to derail the analysis of human evolution, disguising their opposition as criticisms of adaptationism. Others are confused about the validity of the Omega Principle, which posits that cultural evolution is a result of biological evolution. A third group, however, is most troubling: those who are threatened in their careers by the exploration of human beings as an evolutionary phenomenon. These individuals, often in the humanities and social sciences, resist the integration of evolutionary dynamics into their fields, leading to the construction of epicycles and the perpetuation of purely descriptive analyses. Ultimately, it is important for us to accept the unifying power of simplifying rubrics like the Omega Principle in order to gain a deeper understanding of human behavior and improve our lives at both the individual and societal levels. Our ongoing research aims to shed new light on the peopling of the Americas, but it is just one piece of a larger story that invites us to think deeply about our past and present.

    • Exploring human history and expanding our understandingThe podcast 'Finding Genius' delves into various topics, from political ideologies to scientific discoveries, emphasizing that new findings expand our knowledge, not diminish it.

      The podcast "Finding Genius" explores a wide range of topics and perspectives, from political discussions and human behavior to aliens and scientific discoveries. A recent episode featured a conversation about the realignment of political ideologies and the misconception that it encourages social Darwinism or regression. Another episode discussed the discovery of human footprints dating back 23,000 years in North America, which challenges the previously accepted earliest evidence of human presence in the Americas. Despite the book's success, there have been supply chain issues making it difficult for some to obtain a copy. The podcast also emphasized that these discoveries do not diminish the importance of earlier accepted evidence, but rather expand our understanding of human history. The diversity of conversations and topics on the podcast reflects its commitment to exploring various perspectives and ideas.

    • Evidence for early human presence in the AmericasDiscoveries of human footprints and extinct megafauna suggest humans were in the Americas around 23,000 years ago, but the validity of this claim is debated due to concerns about site reworking and natural processes.

      The evidence suggests humans populated the Americas around 23,000 years ago, but the validity of this claim is subject to ongoing debate. The discovery of human footprints and the presence of extinct megafauna in the same depositional site provides strong evidence for this theory. However, there are concerns about the potential for reworking of the site and the possibility that footprints could have been moved by natural processes. If the footprints are indeed 23,000 years old, it implies that humans were present during the late Pleistocene era when megafauna were abundant, potentially contributing to their extinction. However, some researchers propose alternative theories, such as the possibility of humans crossing the Pacific Ocean, which have not been definitively ruled out. Overall, the evidence for the timing of the peopling of the Americas remains a topic of ongoing research and debate.

    • The relationship between human arrival and North American megafauna extinction is complexNew evidence challenges the human overhunting hypothesis, highlighting the importance of continued research in understanding the causes of North American megafauna extinction and the significance of human geographic discovery in prehistory

      The relationship between the arrival of humans and the extinction of North American megafauna is not as straightforward as once believed. While some evidence suggests that humans arrived after the decline of megafauna populations, other evidence, such as footprints discovered in New Mexico, indicates that humans were present before the decline. This discovery challenges the human overhunting hypothesis and highlights the importance of continued research in understanding the causes of one of the most significant events in North American prehistory. Additionally, the discovery of these footprints represents a moment of geographic discovery in human history, which is often underrepresented in traditional historical narratives. The study of prehistory, including paleoanthropology and archaeology, plays a crucial role in filling in the gaps left by the bias towards written texts in traditional history.

    • Bias in recorded history and loss of non-literate cultures' storiesHistory education should broaden its focus beyond transfer of resource frontiers to include the diversity of human experiences and the complexities of the past.

      History, as it is often recorded, may not tell the full story due to its bias towards written records and the stories of the victors. This bias can lead us away from the histories of non-literate people and cultures that did not have the technological advantage to write down their stories. The destruction of historical records and artifacts, such as what happened to the Maya civilization, is a transfer of resource frontier that obscures the past. This instinct to destroy and overwrite history is not a new phenomenon and can be seen in the destruction of statues and other symbols of the past, even within our own culture. History education should not focus solely on transfer of resource frontiers, or theft, but rather explore the diversity of types of frontiers humans have engaged in throughout history. It is important to remember that theft is only one part of human history and that it is essential to understand the complexities and nuances of the past, rather than reducing it to simplistic narratives of good and evil.

    • Exploring the complexities of human history: Cooperation and competitionFocusing on past injustices alone can hinder progress. Instead, we should focus on making the world sustainable for future generations by addressing unequal opportunities and learning from historical innovations and cultural diversity.

      Every civilization throughout history has experienced cooperation and competition. While it's important to acknowledge past injustices, focusing solely on them can create a sense of futility and hinder progress. Instead, we should focus on making the world sustainable for future generations by addressing the unequal opportunities that exist. Exploring the technological and geographic innovations of various civilizations, as described in books like "1491" by Charles C. Mann, can inspire us and provide valuable insights. Moreover, the discovery of new niches and the resulting cultural diversity have led to significant innovations and enlightenments, as seen in the Mayan civilization and the Inca empire. It's essential to broaden our understanding of history beyond the narrative of displacement and wrongful taking of land. Another interesting example of this perspective can be found in the story of the Chinese fishing fleet off the coast of South America. Despite the potential for conflict, cooperation and mutual benefit can arise from such encounters. In conclusion, acknowledging the complexities of human history, including both cooperation and competition, and focusing on creating a sustainable future for all, is crucial for understanding our past and shaping our future.

    • Ocean resource theft and ethical concernsExcessive and potentially destructive methods used by industrial-scale ocean resource harvesting raise ethical concerns and challenge outdated regulatory systems.

      The industrial-scale harvesting of resources from the world's oceans, such as Humboldt squid, is a form of resource theft that raises ethical concerns and challenges our outdated regulatory systems. This fleet of 500 ships uses excessive and potentially destructive methods, violating maritime laws and exploiting labor. The situation is reminiscent of industrial logging, where resources are liquidated at an alarming rate, and the current regulatory frameworks inherited from the 18th century are insufficient to address these issues. The essay "Dying in Time" by Roger Scruton emphasizes the importance of courage in facing the truth and living fully, even in the face of aging and resource depletion. To mitigate these issues, we need to adopt a different way of living that involves self-neglect, risky enjoyments, and bold adventures, while also investing in research and development of sustainable practices. The last chapter of the book, "The 4th Frontier," emphasizes the need to address these ocean issues and the importance of taking action to preserve these vital resources for future generations.

    • Balancing risk and affection in lifeLiving a meaningful life involves finding a balance between taking risks and expressing affection, rather than solely focusing on extending life's length.

      Living a meaningful life involves balancing risk and affection, not just focusing on extending life's length. According to the essay, living a life of active risk and affection, while allowing the body to decay naturally, is more valuable than a long, unfulfilling existence. This approach to life, which includes dangerous pursuits, expressing opinions, and helping others, is about maximizing depth rather than length. It's essential to live well and make meaningful contributions, as living longer only adds value if you're already living a fulfilling life. The key is to find a balance between sticking around and pushing the envelope, and not getting bogged down in trying to maximize a single parameter. This idea applies to various aspects of life, from child-rearing to education, and can lead to a more satisfying and enriching existence.

    • Stepping outside social norms for new perspectivesEmbrace new experiences to gain valuable insights and challenge societal norms, as expressed in 'A Hunter Gatherer's Guide to the 21st Century'.

      Importance of stepping outside of social norms to gain new perspectives and learn valuable lessons. The speakers emphasized that in today's world, we do less of this than before, and it might be necessary to do so in order to see certain truths. They encouraged listeners to continue the conversation and engage with their upcoming book, "A Hunter Gatherer's Guide to the 21st Century," which has been well-received and is still available at Barnes and Noble. The speakers expressed gratitude for the support they have received and their hope that the book will spark conversations that transcend borders and last for years to come. They also reminded everyone to take care of themselves and their loved ones, eat well, and get outside.

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    Thousands Believe Covid Vaccines Harmed Them. Is Anyone Listening? https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/03/health/covid-vaccines-side-effects.html

    Chris Martenson on the NYT: https://twitter.com/chrismartenson/status/1787602191114526836

    Benn et al 2023. Randomized clinical trials of COVID-19 vaccines: Do adenovirus-vector vaccines have beneficial non-specific effects?. Iscience, 26(5): https://portal.findresearcher.sdu.dk/en/publications/randomized-clinical-trials-of-covid-19-vaccines-do-adenovirus-vec

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    In this 223rd in a series of live discussions with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying (both PhDs in Biology), we talk about the state of the world through an evolutionary lens.

    In this episode, we discuss science and religion, materialism and other ways of understanding our world. Can analysis and quantification explain everything? Can narrative, intuition, and creativity? All are or should be part of the scientific process; science is incomplete with only one mode. We also discuss models, how they fail, how difficult they are to assess, and what one recent climate model has to say about the role of air pollution in Earth’s temperature. Enlightenment values require that we use our freedom to inquire about all things that we are curious about. Also: happy Beltane!

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    Mentioned in this episode:

    Third Man Syndrome and Shackleton: https://twitter.com/brianroemmele/status/1785827941718614291

    Clearer skies may be accelerating global warming: https://www.science.org/content/article/clearer-skies-may-be-accelerating-global-warming
     
    Hodnebrog et al 2024. Recent reductions in aerosol emissions have increased Earth’s energy imbalance. Communications Earth & Environment, 5(1):166: https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-024-01324-8

    Nature editorial: What happens when climate change and the mental-health crisis collide? https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00993-x

    Animation about mental health and climate change: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/grantham/publications/all-publications/the-impact-of-climate-change-on-mental-health-and-emotional-wellbeing-current-evidence-and-implications-for-policy-and-practice.php

    Growing up is hard to do (do not pay others to do your thinking for you): https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/growing-up-is-hard-to-do

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    Kennedy 2023. The Wuhan Cover-Up and the Terrifying Bio-Weapons Arms Race: https://www.skyhorsepublishing.com/9781510773981/the-wuhan-cover-up/

    Kuo et al 2000. Retargeting of coronavirus by substitution of the spike glycoprotein ectodomain: crossing the host cell species barrier. Journal of virology, 74(3):1393-1406: https://journals.asm.org/doi/full/10.1128/jvi.74.3.1393-1406.2000

    Rodríguez-Montes et al 2023. Sex-biased gene expression across mammalian organ development and evolution. Science 382(6670), p.eadf1046: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adf1046

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