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    #193 The Reactionary Clap Trap (Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying DarkHorse Livestream)

    en-usSeptember 30, 2023

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    • Personal experiences with COVID-19 treatments and their effectsTrust your body and seek out reliable information for treatments that resonate with you. Everyone's response to illness and treatments is unique.

      Personal experiences with illness and treatments can vary greatly from person to person. Dr. Bret Weinstein shared his experience of recovering from COVID-19 and using hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin to treat his symptoms. He believes these treatments may have helped him recover more quickly, but he also experienced lingering effects and lung sensitivity. Everyone's body reacts differently to illness and treatments, and what works for one person may not work for another. It's important to trust your own body and seek out information and treatments that resonate with you. Another topic discussed was the role of mainstream media in shaping public perception of treatments and the concept of medical gaslighting. Dr. Weinstein expressed concern about the influence of pharmaceutical companies on media narratives and the potential for misinformation. He encouraged people to seek out reliable sources of information and to trust their own experiences and intuition when it comes to their health. Additionally, the podcast highlighted three sponsors: MUDWTR, Paleo Valley, and Hillsdale College. MUDWTR was praised for its delicious and adaptogenic drink made with mushrooms and herbs, which can provide energy without the jitters or crash of coffee. Paleo Valley and Hillsdale College were also mentioned as trusted sources for health and educational products, respectively.

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    • Political tension in the US: Unpredictable primaries and power strugglesThe upcoming US presidential election and internal Democratic Party conflicts promise significant political volatility in the next 14 months.

      Trusting your unconscious mind can lead to improved performance in complex physical activities. However, the conversation also touched upon the current political climate in the US, with the upcoming presidential election and the ongoing power struggle within the Democratic Party. The American electoral system, where useful choices are eliminated in the primaries, was highlighted as a reason for the intense political tension and instability, even 14 months before the election. Trump's unexpected win in 2016 demonstrated that the general election is not completely fixed, making the primaries more intriguing and unpredictable. Overall, the conversation suggested that the next 14 months will bring significant volatility in American politics, with the Democratic Party itself being a major source of instability.

    • DNC Faces Threat from Within: Insurgent CandidatesThe DNC should recognize and engage with insurgent candidates' challenges to the status quo instead of trying to suppress them, as their platforms are not inherently disparate from the Democratic or Republican Parties.

      The Democratic National Committee (DNC) is facing a threat not from the fringes, but from within its own ranks. Insurgent candidates like Marianne Williamson and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. resonate with a significant portion of the Democratic voter base, and their platforms, which challenge the status quo, are not as disparate from the Democratic Party as some might claim. The DNC's efforts to portray these candidates as threats to the party invert reality and undermine its connection to the democratic process and the interests of the voters. The ongoing response from the establishment has been dismissive and derisive, labeling these candidates as kooky or unhinged. However, their platforms, which include environmental protections, respect for the Second Amendment, and border security, are not inherently disparate from those of the Democratic Party or the Republican Party. The farce of our system of governance is revealed in the inconsistency of border control, with an unchecked flood of people and unknown substances entering the country at the southern border while strict checks are enforced at other borders and entry points. The DNC would do well to recognize and engage with these challenges to the status quo rather than trying to suppress them.

    • The Debate Over Border Security and the Democratic PartyThe speaker argues that border security debates are filled with contradictions, the idea of a wall being ineffective is not the same as it being racist or barbaric, and the Democratic Party's shift on issues like corporate power, military spending, and censorship may be due to capture by powerful interests.

      The current political climate is filled with contradictions and misunderstandings, as exemplified by the ongoing debate over border security and the role of the Democratic Party. The speaker argues that the chances of identifying and stopping ill-intended individuals from entering the country through the southern border are slim, and the idea of a wall being ineffective is different from it being racist or barbaric. The speaker also criticizes the Democratic Party for its shift in positions on issues such as corporate power, military spending, and censorship. The speaker suggests that this change is a result of capture, or the influence of powerful interests, and urges people to reconsider their allegiance to the party if it no longer aligns with their values. The speaker's perspective challenges the status quo and invites further discussion on the state of American politics.

    • The capture of the Democratic Party is an existential threatRecognizing the Democratic Party's capture is crucial for addressing threats to American well-being and ensuring good governance

      The capture of the Democratic Party by forces hostile to the well-being of American citizens poses an existential threat to the country. This capture has gone unnoticed by many due to nostalgia, allegiance, and habit, making it feel like a trusted and reliable entity. However, just as a beloved family pet can become dangerous once it's been infected with rabies, the Democratic Party's adoption of positions harmful to the majority of Americans requires a reevaluation of its trustworthiness. While it's important to acknowledge the existence of other threats like racism, chronic diseases, militarization, and war, the capture of the Democratic Party is the root cause that allows these threats to persist. Recognizing this reality might feel hopeless, but it's crucial to remember that the self-correcting nature of the Western system allows us to address these issues if we remain vigilant and committed to good governance. Therefore, understanding the existential threat of capture is the first step towards taking action to safeguard our future.

    • Addressing complex issues: Fear and hope motivationsAcknowledge and respect fear and hope motivations when addressing complex issues to prevent disempowerment or demotivation. Effective communication and collaboration between those motivated by fear and hope are essential for navigating the adaptive valley towards a better future.

      When addressing complex issues, it's essential to recognize and respect the different motivations of individuals in the room - fear and hope. Fear can drive people to confront problems, while hope can inspire action towards solutions. However, if not acknowledged, these motivations can lead to disempowerment or demotivation. The stakes are high, with significant challenges and opportunities present. To progress, we must be aware of the potential for capture and intentional derailment of promising solutions. Effective communication and collaboration between those motivated by fear and hope are crucial in navigating the adaptive valley towards a better future. Additionally, understanding the nuances of individual versus population-level actions and the potential gendered component can enhance our discussions and foster more productive outcomes.

    • Gender Differences in Problem Solving and CommunicationUnderstand and respect gender differences, communicate openly, and stand firm in beliefs to build effective relationships and navigate challenges.

      Men and women approach problems differently, with women generally focusing on details and men on the bigger picture. This difference can lead to misunderstandings and disagreements in relationships. However, recognizing this difference can help individuals communicate more effectively. The discussion also touched on the power of shifting consciousness and the importance of modeling doubt and being the first to disagree with consensus, even if it's scary. The internet provides a platform for those who have faced challenges and survived, inspiring hope and showing that it's possible to maintain health and integrity despite opposition. Ultimately, the key takeaway is to understand and respect different perspectives, communicate openly, and stand firm in one's beliefs.

    • Questioning the narrative and verifying facts during info warfareDuring info warfare, question narratives, verify facts, share doubts, build trust, and engage in open dialogue to prevent manipulation and protect from harm.

      During times of information warfare, it's crucial to question the narrative and verify the facts. The vaccine campaign presented a situation where the truth was obscured, leading people to doubt the information they were given. This mistrust was met with the assumption that the public was stupid and unable to handle the truth. However, the truth eventually came to light, revealing not only misinformation but also potential harm. Over the course of months to years, it's possible to break these narratives and wake people up to the truth. To do this, start by sharing your doubts with those around you, both online and offline. Building trust and having open conversations can help counteract the manipulation and misinformation that pervades our digital landscape. By staying informed and engaging in honest dialogue, we can prevent ourselves from being led astray and protect ourselves from harm.

    • Evaluating the accuracy of information from trusted sourcesVerify sources, assess evidence quality, and be discerning when processing complex information, even from knowledgeable individuals.

      It's essential to critically evaluate information, especially when it comes from trusted sources or experts. The speaker shared an experience of receiving a misleading newsletter from an acquaintance with a public health background. The newsletter contained inaccurate information and false citations, promoting the need for booster shots without solid evidence. The speaker emphasized the importance of not blindly trusting information, even from knowledgeable individuals, and urged everyone to verify sources and assess the quality of evidence. The speaker also warned against the fallacy of assuming that the quantity of information supporting a conclusion makes it more accurate. Instead, it's crucial to be discerning and critical in processing information, especially when dealing with complex and sensitive topics like public health.

    • Evaluating scientific research criticallyCritically assessing individual studies, not just following consensus or averaging information, is crucial in scientific research. Be discerning and critical when evaluating research, and exclude studies with proven corruption or fraud.

      The role of literature reviews in scientific research is not to blindly follow the consensus or average out information from multiple sources, but rather to critically assess the validity and reliability of individual studies. Corruption in scientific research can make it difficult to determine what is properly done and what is not, and relying solely on statistical power from a large number of potentially flawed studies can lead one astray. The job of a scientist is not to simply process all published research on a topic and make it cohesive, but to add new knowledge and potentially falsify previous understandings. It's important to be discerning and critical when evaluating research, and in some cases, it may be necessary to exclude certain authors or studies due to proven instances of fraud or other forms of corruption. The scientific process relies on the honor system, and it's crucial to use our tools wisely to advance knowledge and make informed decisions.

    • Evaluating sources for accuracy and biasBe cautious and critical when evaluating sources, especially in fields with conflicts of interest. Maintain a commitment to truth and evidence-based conclusions.

      Being selective in processing information is crucial, but it must be done in an unbiased way to ensure accuracy and clarity. However, in fields with conflicts of interest, such as pharma-funded studies, it can be challenging to discern reliable information from misinformation. The media landscape further complicates matters, with some individuals finding appeal in alternative platforms that do not adhere to fact-checking or peer-reviewed answers. Naomi Wolf's case, as discussed in Helen Lewis' article in The Atlantic, exemplifies this trend, where individuals may be drawn to alternative spaces due to feelings of disrespect, narcissism, and a desire for secret knowledge. The key is to be cautious and critical while evaluating sources and maintaining a commitment to truth and evidence-based conclusions.

    • Recognizing Similarities Across the Political SpectrumNaomi Klein, a left-wing author and activist, is accused of understanding right-wing perspectives on big pharma, tech companies, and elitist institutions. Critics question her past associations and response to certain issues, but she maintains her commitment to progressive values.

      Naomi Klein, a prominent left-wing author and activist, has been accused of having "glimmers of insight" into the perspectives of the right, particularly in relation to criticisms of big pharma, tech companies, and elitist institutions. However, this characterization is disputed by Klein herself, who maintains that she is simply recognizing similarities in the concerns raised by various figures across the political spectrum. Critics like Helen Lewis are seen as attempting to elevate certain voices and portray others as having lost touch with reality. Despite some concerns about Klein's past associations and perceived lack of response to certain issues, many still hold out hope for her continued commitment to progressive values. Ultimately, the debate highlights the importance of maintaining a critical and nuanced perspective on political discourse and the need to avoid oversimplification and false dichotomies.

    • Magazines shape public opinion and resolve internal conflictsMagazines like The Atlantic can influence public opinion by providing a platform for prominent figures to discuss and resolve their own doubts, creating a sense of trust and acceptance for readers. However, it's important to critically evaluate sources and be aware of potential manipulation.

      The media, specifically magazines like The Atlantic, can be used as a tool for shaping public opinion and resolving internal conflicts for individuals by providing a platform for prominent figures to discuss and resolve their own doubts, creating a sense of trust and acceptance for readers. This process, which can be seen as a form of psychological nudging, can be particularly effective in times of societal upheaval or mass confusion, as it allows people to feel reassured that they are still on the "right side" of history, even if their beliefs have shifted. However, it's important to note that this process can also be used to manipulate public opinion and lead individuals towards conclusions that may not be in their best interest. The use of phrases like "smart people think like you do" can be particularly persuasive, as they create a sense of validation and belonging. It's crucial to be aware of these tactics and to critically evaluate the sources of information we consume. The media landscape is constantly evolving, and it's essential to stay informed and engaged in the conversation while remaining mindful of the potential influence on our beliefs and actions.

    • The Balance Between Identity Politics and Free SpeechMisunderstandings and conflicts arise when identity politics and free speech clash, requiring respectful dialogue and factual accuracy to prevent further escalation.

      The debate surrounding identity politics and free speech can lead to intense conflicts and misunderstandings. In this discussion, Bret Weinstein's stance against a voluntary day of absence at Evergreen State College resulted in protests and accusations, pushing him to leave his job and be labeled as a reactionary. Yascha Mounk, in an article for The Atlantic, criticized Weinstein for his views, which Weinstein believed contained inaccuracies. When Weinstein asked Mounk to correct these inaccuracies, Mounk refused, leading Weinstein to feel deceived and despicable. The controversy revolves around the balance between identity politics and free speech, with both sides holding strong convictions. It's crucial to engage in respectful dialogue and factual accuracy to avoid fueling the fire of misunderstandings and conflicts.

    • Labeling individuals as 'conspiracy theorists' stifles scientific progressLabeling individuals who question official narratives as 'conspiracy theorists' hinders open dialogue and critical thinking, potentially stifling scientific progress.

      The labeling of individuals as being on a "conspiracy theory team" based on their questioning or expressing doubt about certain details of an official explanation is a dangerous and counterproductive approach to understanding complex issues. Michael Shermer and Yasha Mounk's exchange regarding 9/11 serves as an example of this. Isaac Asimov's quote emphasizes the importance of questioning and examining things that don't add up in order to make progress. However, the approach taken by Mounk and others can stifle scientific progress and critical thinking by silencing those who question the official narrative and labeling them as being on the "conspiracy theory team." It's crucial to allow for open dialogue and investigation, rather than shutting down discussions and labeling individuals based on their skepticism.

    • Questioning information and doing research are crucialThe media and those in power are attempting to control the narrative, but more people are waking up to the importance of critical thinking. It's essential to ask questions and do our own research to avoid manipulation.

      Questioning information and doing one's own research are essential for arriving at accurate conclusions, yet they are being demonized as embarrassing or even dangerous. The media and those in power are attempting to control the narrative and shape public opinion, but this tactic is backfiring as more people are waking up to the importance of critical thinking. The New York Times, which has been at the forefront of promoting woke ideology, now finds itself in a predicament as this approach is losing favor with the public. To maintain their power, they are trying to demonize those who have warned against the dangers of woke culture, labeling them as reactionaries or dangerous. However, these individuals are not the problem; instead, they are the ones who have been rightfully questioning the narrative and calling for reason and logic. It's crucial that we continue to ask questions and do our own research to avoid being manipulated by those in power.

    • Individuals rejecting scientific consensus and attacking those who disagreeBe cautious of individuals rejecting scientific consensus, using unconventional explanations, and suppressing dissenting voices. Encourage respectful and open-minded dialogue to explore valid concerns and anomalies.

      There are individuals who reject the scientific consensus on various topics, such as the safety and efficacy of mRNA vaccines for children and the official account of the 9/11 attacks. They use unconventional explanations and accuse those who disagree with them of attempting to control the narrative and suppress dissenting voices. The speaker expresses concern that these attacks are meant to distract from important issues and prevent open dialogue. The speaker also shares a personal experience of being pressured to accept the vaccines for her son and warns against the dangers of being labeled as a "bad person" for questioning official narratives. Ultimately, the speaker encourages engaging with others in a respectful and open-minded manner, recognizing that there may be valid concerns and anomalies worth exploring. The speaker also emphasizes the importance of being aware of attempts to suppress dissenting voices and to remain critical of official narratives.

    • Standing up against manipulative labelsFocus on substance over labels, value questioning and research, and strive for evidence-based practices and products.

      We all need to stand up against manipulative tactics used by those in power, who attempt to silence questioning and critical thinking by labeling individuals as conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers, or morons. These terms have lost their sting due to their overuse, and it's essential to focus on the substance of the arguments rather than the labels. The ability to have open and respectful conversations is crucial, as those in power are continually generating new terms to silence dissent. It's important to remember that asking questions and doing research are valuable tools, not signs of stupidity. We should strive for safe and effective practices and products based on evidence and facts, rather than being swayed by emotional manipulation or fear tactics. Remember, be good to the ones you love, eat good food, and get outside. Stay informed, stay critical, and stay engaged in meaningful conversations.

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    Laumer et al 2024. Active self-treatment of a facial wound with a biologically active plant by a male Sumatran orangutan. Scientific Reports, 14(1), p.8932. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-58988-7

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    Chris Martenson on the NYT: https://twitter.com/chrismartenson/status/1787602191114526836

    Benn et al 2023. Randomized clinical trials of COVID-19 vaccines: Do adenovirus-vector vaccines have beneficial non-specific effects?. Iscience, 26(5): https://portal.findresearcher.sdu.dk/en/publications/randomized-clinical-trials-of-covid-19-vaccines-do-adenovirus-vec

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    In this 223rd in a series of live discussions with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying (both PhDs in Biology), we talk about the state of the world through an evolutionary lens.

    In this episode, we discuss science and religion, materialism and other ways of understanding our world. Can analysis and quantification explain everything? Can narrative, intuition, and creativity? All are or should be part of the scientific process; science is incomplete with only one mode. We also discuss models, how they fail, how difficult they are to assess, and what one recent climate model has to say about the role of air pollution in Earth’s temperature. Enlightenment values require that we use our freedom to inquire about all things that we are curious about. Also: happy Beltane!

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    Why Darwin was Right: The 222nd Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

    Why Darwin was Right: The 222nd Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

    In this 222nd in a series of live discussions with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying (both PhDs in Biology), we talk about the state of the world through an evolutionary lens.

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    Kennedy 2023. The Wuhan Cover-Up and the Terrifying Bio-Weapons Arms Race: https://www.skyhorsepublishing.com/9781510773981/the-wuhan-cover-up/

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    Rodríguez-Montes et al 2023. Sex-biased gene expression across mammalian organ development and evolution. Science 382(6670), p.eadf1046: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adf1046

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