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    #77: How Facts are Made (Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying DarkHorse Livestream)

    en-usApril 24, 2021

    Podcast Summary

    • Discussing Reason and Positivity Amidst ChaosThe Dark Horse Podcast emphasizes the importance of engaging in thoughtful analysis and believing in the reasonable nature of their audience, even amidst negativity and chaos. They encourage meaningful interactions and emphasize the importance of showing up in the world in a positive way.

      Despite the negativity and chaos we may encounter in the world, there is a community of reasonable people who engage in thoughtful and thorough analysis. The hosts of the Dark Horse Podcast, in their seventh palindromic episode, discussed various topics including the Chauvin verdict, Portland news, and proposed paid leave for employees. They also announced upcoming events for their Patreon supporters. The hosts expressed their belief in the reasonable nature of their audience and encouraged people to engage in meaningful interactions. The podcast also touched on the loss of a friend and the importance of reaching out for help when struggling. Despite the sadness and anger, the hosts emphasized the importance of showing up in the world in a positive way and believing that there is something better beyond the immediate challenges.

    • Jury decision amidst external pressuresThe Chauvin verdict raises concerns about external influences on jury decisions and the importance of upholding the standard of reasonable doubt in the pursuit of justice.

      The Chauvin verdict, while bringing a sense of closure for some, raises concerns about the role of external influences on jury decisions. The conviction came quickly with no questions asked from the jury, amidst public urging from political figures. While the jury's responsibility is to make a decision based on the evidence presented in court, the potential influence of external pressures is a cause for concern. This case highlights the importance of upholding the standard of reasonable doubt and the burden on the State to prove its case. The implications of this verdict extend beyond the courtroom, underscoring the need for thoughtful and nuanced discussions about justice and accountability. Additionally, the speaker shares a personal anecdote about coping with loss and the importance of navigating grief in a way that honors both the deceased and the living.

    • Protecting citizens from state tyranny with the legal standard of beyond a reasonable doubtThe legal standard of beyond a reasonable doubt ensures justice by preventing wrongful convictions and protecting individual rights, but recent events threaten this principle with the potential for mob influence, risking wrongful acquittals or convictions.

      The founders of the country established a legal standard, beyond a reasonable doubt, to protect citizens from the state's potential tyranny. This standard ensures that only guilty parties are convicted, even if it means letting some guilty individuals go free. However, recent events, such as public violence influencing the state's decision-making process in criminal trials, pose a new threat - the tyranny of the mob. This dangerous situation could potentially result in wrongful convictions or acquittals of the genuinely guilty. It is crucial to uphold the legal principle of beyond a reasonable doubt to maintain justice and protect individual rights.

    • A complex trial with multiple factorsThe Derek Chauvin trial was not just about murder, but also about upholding democracy and individual rights, and the need to consider various perspectives to make unbiased decisions

      The trial of Derek Chauvin in the death of George Floyd was not a clear-cut case of murder, but rather a complex situation with various forces at play. The potential influence of the mob and the need to uphold the principles of democracy and protect individual rights were significant factors. The Rawlsian veil of ignorance, which suggests creating rules that one would be willing to live with on the wrong side, can help limit partisan moves and prevent a race to the bottom. Ultimately, the court's role is to make unbiased decisions for the greater good, regardless of political affiliations.

    • Chauvin Trial and Portland Unrest Highlight Due Process and Law EnforcementThe Chauvin trial and Portland unrest emphasize the importance of following due process and taking decisive action against lawbreakers.

      During the Chauvin trial, reasonable doubt was present, and the jury was instructed to decide based on the evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. Meanwhile, in Portland, Mayor Ted Wheeler acknowledged the city's problem with anarchists and extended the state of emergency, urging citizens to report lawbreakers and provide evidence to the police. The media reported on the potential for violent direct actions from these groups. In essence, the trial and Portland situation underscore the importance of following due process and taking action against lawbreakers.

    • Countering misrepresentation of Portland's residentsLiberal voices are crucial in countering misrepresentation of Portland's residents and encouraging equal law enforcement. Recent shifts in tone from Mayor Wheeler and community fatigue suggest progress against violence.

      The ongoing violence and chaos in Portland, Oregon, has led to a distorted perception of the city's residents' true beliefs and desires. Unapologetic liberal voices, like those in the discussion, are essential in countering this misrepresentation and encouraging local leaders, such as Mayor Ted Wheeler, to enforce the law equally against all lawbreakers. The recent shift in tone from Wheeler, with his strongest words yet about arresting and prosecuting violent anarchists, could be a sign that these voices are making an impact. Additionally, the decline in "don't hurt me" walls and the appearance of more questioning and fatigue in the community suggest that the tide may be turning against the violence. The speakers emphasize that it's crucial for liberal voices to remain unwavering in their opposition to the violent anarchists and continue to speak out against the chaos in Portland.

    • The current societal structures and institutions are failing to meet the needs and values of many individualsPeople are seeking alternatives due to feeling disconnected and unfulfilled by current societal structures, leading to the rise of complex and questioning messages and subcultures.

      The current societal structures and institutions are failing to meet the needs and values of many individuals, leading to a search for alternatives. This was highlighted in a discussion about the changing landscape of cities, particularly Portland, and the rise of divisive messages and monotonous conversations. The speaker noted how graffiti and signs have evolved from single-note messages to more complex and questioning ones, such as "Who are we?" They also pointed out the potential connection between subcultures like anime and the rise of physically disconnected social constructionist thinking. The speaker agreed that these structures leave people feeling homeless in their political beliefs and urged the need to build new alternatives or recapture existing ones. They also acknowledged the importance of critically examining seemingly harmless symbols and their potential hidden meanings.

    • Graffiti on apartment windows reflect complex social justice discussionsGraffiti on Portland apartment windows express dissatisfaction with status quo, call for change, but lack clear solutions and contain counterintuitive messages, highlighting ongoing debate and need for understanding.

      The graffiti on these apartment windows in Portland reflects the complex and nuanced discussions surrounding social justice issues, particularly the Black Lives Matter movement and the role of law enforcement. The messages, which range from "defund the police" to "black trans lives matter," demonstrate a deep dissatisfaction with the status quo and a call for change. However, there seems to be a lack of clear policy proposals or solutions, and some messages are counterintuitive or nonsensical. This reflects the ongoing debate and the challenges of finding effective and equitable solutions to these complex issues. The messages also highlight the importance of counterintuitive ideas and the need to understand the reasons behind them. Overall, the graffiti serves as a visual representation of the ongoing discourse and the search for meaningful change.

    • The 'abolish the police' movement polices speech through fear of backlashThe 'abolish the police' movement, while advocating for free speech, creates a chilling effect that silences people due to fear of consequences.

      While people have the right to express their opinions, even if they are extreme or offensive, the real issue lies in the self-censorship that results from the fear of backlash. The "abolish the police" movement, despite its interest in free speech, has been effective in policing speech through the chilling effect it creates. People are afraid to speak up due to the potential consequences. Mayor Wheeler recognizes this and understands that he will face criticism no matter what actions he takes. The focus should be on moving forward and making progress for the future, rather than getting bogged down in the past. It's important to have open and honest discussions, even if they are uncomfortable, in order to find solutions to the complex issues facing society.

    • Nobel Laureate's Claim Ignored Reality of Urban ViolenceNobel Laureate's claim about city protests ignored concentrated violence and filter bubble effects, leading to misunderstandings. Journalists should report accurately and engage in open dialogue to better understand complex situations.

      Nobel Laureate Paul Krugman's claim about the lack of violence in cities under protest ignores the reality of concentrated violence and the filter bubble effect preventing some voices from being heard. His claim was easily falsifiable and led to misunderstandings about the situation on the ground. The discussion also highlighted the importance of journalists, especially those with a large platform, to look beyond their filter bubbles and report accurately on events. Additionally, the consequences of not speaking out, such as job loss or social ostracism, prevent many people from sharing their perspectives. Krugman's mistake serves as a reminder to be cautious and factual when reporting on sensitive issues, and to engage in open dialogue to better understand complex situations.

    • Ideological Homogeneity and Unintended Consequences in West Coast CitiesUnchecked liberal policies in West Coast cities, due to ideological homogeneity, harm economic development and public safety. A healthy tension between liberals and conservatives is necessary for effective governance.

      The ideological homogeneity in major West Coast cities, including Portland, has led to unchecked liberal policies with unintended consequences, hobbling the cities' economic development and public safety. The piece suggests that a healthy tension between liberals and conservatives, with each holding the other accountable, is necessary for effective governance. The author encourages checking out their article on Unheard for a deeper exploration of this topic. Additionally, the author expresses concern about the state of journalism and the need for diverse perspectives to challenge potentially harmful ideas.

    • The importance of evidence in journalismLived experiences are valuable in journalism, but they must be backed by evidence to avoid misinformation and promote a nuanced understanding of complex issues.

      Individual stories, including lived experiences, are essential in journalism for building and adding depth to narratives. However, these stories alone cannot be the sole basis for understanding reality. The quote from the article about Minnesota, America, serves as an example of a lived experience story that requires substantial evidence to support broader claims. The danger lies in the increasing trend of people in positions of authority, such as government officials and university professors, feeling entitled to their perspectives and silencing opposing views. This mindset can hinder progress and limit our ability to fully comprehend complex issues. Instead, it's crucial to engage in open and thoughtful dialogue, considering various perspectives and evidence to arrive at a more nuanced understanding of the world.

    • Menstrual leave: A controversial policyThe speaker argues against menstrual leave, suggesting potential negative consequences and proposing flexible policies instead.

      While some employers may consider offering menstrual leave for female employees, this policy raises concerns regarding privacy, potential stigmatization, and equal treatment in the workplace. The speaker argues that this policy could lead to negative consequences, such as increased costs for employers and potential hiring biases. Instead, the speaker suggests addressing the real barriers to female success in certain career tracks, such as the demands of hard-charging work during reproductive years, by implementing flexible policies like pausing tenure clocks. Ultimately, the speaker acknowledges that finding a perfect solution to the challenges faced by women in the workforce is complex and ongoing.

    • Assumptions about shorter lifespans for men leading to earlier retirement is flawedFocusing on meritocracy and equal access is a more effective approach to achieving equity than mandating earlier retirement based on assumptions about shorter lifespans.

      Mandating earlier retirement for men based on the assumption of shorter lifespans is a dangerous and flawed approach to achieving equity. This line of thinking can lead to arbitrary prioritization of certain groups, limiting earning potential, and ignoring the importance of counterintuitive aspects of society that contribute to its functionality. Instead, focusing on meritocracy and equal access is a more effective and sustainable goal. It's essential to recognize that progress is achieved through constant pushback against extremes and adjustments to the system, rather than radical shifts. Ultimately, the goal should be to strive for a functional system that continually improves, rather than swinging from extreme to extreme.

    • Facebook censors podcast discussing vaccine escape mutantsFacebook censored a podcast discussing vaccine escape mutants, labeling it as misleading and directing users to a fact-checking site, but the valid concerns raised by the guest were meticulously explained by the host, raising questions about the reliability and objectivity of the fact-checking site and Facebook's role in regulating information.

      There is an ongoing debate between those who aim to address the issues at hand and those who wish to dismantle progress based on misinformation. In a recent podcast discussion, the concern over potential vaccine escape mutants was explored. The guest, a veterinary doctor and vaccine creation expert, raised valid concerns, which were meticulously explained by the podcast host to help listeners evaluate the argument. However, Facebook has taken it upon itself to censor the podcast, labeling it as "missing context and misleading," and directing users to a fact-checking site that contradicts the guest's stance. This move, while intended to combat false information, raises questions about the reliability and objectivity of the fact-checking site and Facebook's role in regulating information. Ultimately, it is crucial to ensure that open discussions and factual information are accessible to the public, rather than being obscured by warnings and counterarguments that may not be based on solid evidence.

    • Facebook's approach to determining truth through expert opinions is problematicFacebook's method of labeling info as hoaxes based on expert opinions can discourage critical thinking and limit discourse, emphasizing the importance of seeking diverse sources and engaging in thoughtful discussions.

      Facebook's labeling of certain information as hoaxes or incorrect based on the opinions of select experts is a problematic approach to determining truth. The discussion highlighted that Facebook's method of finding experts who disagree with a particular viewpoint and declaring their opposing view as the correct one, and labeling the original information as a hoax, is not a valid or effective way to evaluate information. This approach can discourage people from engaging with the information and seeking out alternative viewpoints, limiting the potential for meaningful discourse and critical thinking. It's crucial for individuals to seek out diverse sources of information and engage in thoughtful discussions, rather than relying on social media platforms to determine what is true or false.

    • Exploring the Complexities of the Natural WorldOngoing dialogue and observation are crucial for understanding the complexities of the natural world, as new discoveries and debates fuel progress.

      The natural world is complex and constantly evolving, and it requires ongoing discussion and examination to gain a deeper understanding. The speaker, a biologist, emphasized that no one has all the answers and that arguments and counterarguments are necessary for progress. Regarding their recent wildlife observations, they shared their belief that a photograph showed a golden eagle, but acknowledged that others might disagree. They also mentioned an intriguing phenomenon of coordinated flopping behavior in fish observed at a beaver pond. The importance of ongoing dialogue and observation was emphasized, with the promise of providing updates in future episodes. The speaker also shared their admiration for the beauty of the natural world, showcasing images of various animals such as a great blue heron, a nutria, and an unidentified creature possibly resembling a crocodile.

    • Unusual dolphin behavior hints at large creature in pondDuring a wildlife observation, the presence of large, unidentified creatures in a freshwater pond might indicate the presence of a large fish or carp, potentially introduced for control purposes.

      During a wildlife observation, the speaker noticed unusual behavior from a group of dolphins or large fish, leading them to believe there might be a large creature present in the freshwater pond they were in. They speculated it could be a carp, which might have been intentionally introduced for control purposes. However, they couldn't confirm the identity of the creature due to its large size and their inability to capture it on camera. The speaker also mentioned the presence of managed wildlands and the availability of merchandise and clips on their channels. They encouraged listeners to join their Q&A sessions, subscribe to their channels, and take care of themselves and loved ones.

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