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    UFYB 319: The Price Women Pay to Be Good: A Conversation with Elise Loehnen

    enDecember 07, 2023

    Podcast Summary

    • Our upbringing and experiences shape our perspectivesOur unique backgrounds and experiences can provide valuable insights when examining societal norms

      Our upbringing and experiences shape our perspectives in significant ways. Elise Lunan, the guest on Unfuck Your Brain podcast, shared how her isolated childhood in the woods and extensive reading led her to adopt an observant, outsider perspective on life. This background influenced her career path, from working in magazines to becoming a ghostwriter and eventually writing her own book, "Honor Best Behavior." Her unique perspective allowed her to identify cultural programming that is pervasive but not universally experienced, such as the idea that everything is perfect because it happened that way. This insight is a reminder that our individual backgrounds and experiences shape how we view the world and can provide valuable insights when examining societal norms.

    • The speaker's diverse upbringing shaped their identity and worldviewThe speaker's unconventional upbringing, including attending an alternative school and extensive reading, fostered a non-judgmental and questioning worldview

      The speaker's upbringing, influenced by their parents' diverse religious backgrounds and unconventional upbringing, shaped their identity and perspective in profound ways. The speaker's mom's past experiences with organized religion left her wary, while her dad's Judaism was not a defining factor in their family. The speaker's non-conformist upbringing, including attending an alternative school and reading extensively, instilled in them a non-judgmental and questioning worldview. This background, filled with complexity and diversity, fostered the speaker's ability to understand and appreciate different perspectives, making them a good coach and a nonjudgmental person. The power of reading, especially fiction, in exposing the speaker to various thought processes and points of view, cannot be overstated.

    • Understanding the origins of cultural normsExploring the historical context of cultural norms provides insight into their significance and challenges limiting assumptions

      Our understanding of societal norms and beliefs, even those that seem deeply ingrained and unchanging, are often culturally and historically specific. The concept of the 7 deadly sins, for instance, is deeply rooted in Christian tradition, but it's important to remember that these ideas didn't arise in a vacuum. In the case of the 7 deadly sins, they became linked to morality during a specific period in history. Similarly, the concept of patriarchy, which has shaped gender roles and relationships for centuries, didn't emerge as an inevitability but rather as a system that evolved over time and continues to influence our thinking and behavior today. By examining the origins of these and other cultural norms, we can gain a deeper understanding of their significance and challenge the assumptions that limit us.

    • Historical roots of idealized roles for womenUnderstanding historical context can help challenge received wisdom on women's roles, revealing suppressed texts and the creation of orthodoxies.

      Our perception of idealized roles for women, such as the "good woman" being selfless and devoid of desires or emotions, has deep historical roots. These ideas were shaped by various cultural and religious influences, including the suppression of certain texts and the creation of orthodoxies. For instance, the 7 deadly sins, which include traits like pride, envy, and anger, were first written down by an Egyptian monk named Evagrius Ponticus in the 4th century. These ideas, which were not originally present in the Bible, became ingrained in our collective consciousness through a process of transmission and editing. The gospel of Mary Magdalene, which emphasized her role as Jesus' best student, was one of the texts that were suppressed during this time. Understanding this historical context can help us question and challenge the received wisdom that shapes our views of women and their roles in society.

    • Misrepresentation of Mary Magdalene and the cultural stigma against sadnessHistorical misconceptions and patriarchy have shaped negative narratives about Mary Magdalene and sadness, contributing to a culture that denies emotions and death, with detrimental effects on men's mental and emotional well-being.

      The history of Mary Magdalene in Christianity has been complex and controversial, with her being labeled as a prostitute and the carrier of all vice, despite being considered the most sanctified person in the Bible. This misrepresentation started in the early Christian era and influenced religious art and literature for centuries. Sadness was once considered a cardinal vice due to its association with weakness and the feminine, and this idea has persisted in Western culture, particularly affecting men's emotional expression. The stigma against sadness and the feminine has contributed to a culture that denies the reality of death and emotions, leading to negative consequences for men's emotional and mental well-being. Understanding the historical context and the impact of patriarchy on the representation of Mary Magdalene and the cultural stigma against sadness can help us reevaluate and challenge these harmful narratives.

    • Envy as an indicator of desire and its destructive impact on womenSocietal pressures can turn envy into destructive behaviors, keeping women from reaching their potential. Understanding and addressing these patterns can help women use envy as motivation and build solidarity.

      Envy can be a powerful indicator of what we truly desire, but societal pressures on women to suppress their wants and feelings of inadequacy often result in envy turning into destructive behaviors like cutting down or trying to destroy the success of others. Envy and pride are closely related, and fear of inspiring envy keeps many women from reaching their full potential. Greed and scarcity mindset further fuel this competition and negativity towards each other. These issues are deeply ingrained and less prevalent among men due to societal norms that support networking and collaboration. Understanding and addressing these patterns can help women overcome envy and use it as motivation to pursue their goals and build solidarity with other women.

    • Societal expectations shape women's behavior towards each otherRecognize and challenge societal norms that promote covert aggression and support each other instead of tearing each other down.

      Women's behavior towards each other is often shaped by societal expectations and cultural programming. The stereotype of women as catty and bitchy is not a reflection of who we truly are, but rather a standard of behavior that has been imposed upon us. This can lead to covert aggression, such as gossiping, backstabbing, and projecting our own insecurities onto others. We are taught that aggression is male behavior, and women are not allowed to express it openly. As a result, we suppress and deny our feelings, leading to envy and negative thoughts towards other women. It's important to recognize these patterns and challenge them by being direct, having healthy conflict, and supporting each other instead of tearing each other down. We can also learn to metabolize our negative emotions and recognize when we are projecting our own insecurities onto others. By doing so, we can create a more supportive and inclusive community for women.

    • Examining the root cause of envyRecognize true objections vs. envy driven by desire to possess. Practice self-inquiry and introspection for personal growth and effective interactions with others.

      It's essential to examine the root cause of our objections and envy towards others. While it's natural not to like everyone or agree with their actions, true envy often stems from a deep-rooted belief that we cannot achieve what they have. This belief can be fueled by negative thoughts and feelings, including shame. By practicing self-inquiry and introspection, we can distinguish between genuine objections based on values and envy driven by a desire to possess what someone else has. This distinction is crucial for personal growth and understanding our motivations. Furthermore, recognizing the difference can help us navigate complex situations and interactions with others more effectively.

    • Societal programming shapes our inner voiceRecognize societal roots of inner judgment, challenge inequities, and collectively work towards a more equitable society.

      The voice in our heads that judges and moralizes our actions is not a personal issue, but a collective one. This voice, which often feels like a personal burden, is actually a deeply ingrained societal programming. To address this, we need to not only change the way we think individually but also rebuild and remodel society and social structures. This means recognizing and challenging the inequities that exist, such as gender, class, and race, and acknowledging that all individuals, regardless of gender, can contribute to toxic behaviors. It's important to recognize that this is a complex issue with deep historical roots, and it requires a collective effort to interrupt the programming and create a more equitable society.

    • Challenging societal norms for gender equalityTo achieve true gender equality, we must address internalized biases and limiting beliefs, inspire women to challenge societal norms, and embrace both masculine and feminine energies within individuals.

      Durability and equality are not inherently linked to biology, but rather a result of cultural conditioning. The speaker emphasizes that women are biologically durable and have outperformed men academically for a century. However, societal norms have bred physical and emotional differences between genders, leading to inequities. To achieve true equality, it's essential to address the internalized biases and limiting beliefs within ourselves and inspire other women to do the same. This approach can lead to a rapid cultural shift, as opposed to simply filling existing structures with women. The speaker also highlights the importance of embracing both masculine and feminine energies within individuals, regardless of gender, to create a balanced and inclusive society. In essence, true equity requires a collective effort to challenge societal norms and cultivate self-awareness and personal growth.

    • Embrace the full range of human emotionsLimiting ourselves to expressing only certain emotions based on gender is harmful to our emotional growth. Explore the entire emotional spectrum and connect with others to enrich our lives.

      Limiting ourselves to expressing only a select few emotions based on gender is detrimental to our full human experience. According to Alice Elunan, author of "The 7 Deadly Sins and the Prized Woman," we should strive to embrace the entire human emotional spectrum, not just the traditional "allowed" emotions for men and women. Elunan, who holds degrees from Yale and Harvard and is known for her etymology expertise, encourages readers to explore her work through her book, Substack newsletter, and podcast, "Pulling the Thread." She emphasizes that our genitalia is the least interesting aspect of our identities and encourages open discussions about emotions and their origins. For those interested in learning more about the history of the Oxford English Dictionary, Elunan recommends an upcoming book on the subject. Additionally, Elunan invites listeners to join The Clutch, the podcast community for Unfuck Your Brain, where they can connect with like-minded individuals and gain access to exclusive coaching tools and resources. By embracing the full range of human emotions and connecting with others, we can enrich our lives and expand our understanding of ourselves.

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